"Phil P." wrote in message ...
"PawsForThought" wrote in message


Let's see if I can make this simpler. Martin claimed that there was
*TOXIC* levels of pentobarb in foods - your web site proved that was
NOT true. Nobody here has ever said there were never any traces found
in cheap foods.

But what is toxic exactly?

An amount that makes a cat sick or causes disease.... Duh!

And other then an eight week study that the FDA/CVM conducted on dogs
no other studies have been undertaken as to the toxicity of this drug
over a period of months or years. It's easy for people to say that
pentobarbital is not toxic but if it had no effect on animals why then
were these studies undertaken in the first place?

If a person feeds a food with even trace amounts of
pentobarb, ethoxyquin, BHT, BHA, etc., what is the effect over years of
feeding?

We do know that all the above do have an effect on humans and the
FDA/CVM has lowered the amounts of ethoxyquin allowed in pet food
because of illnesses in pets. In 1997 the FDA/CVM lowered the levels
from l50 ppm to 75 ppm.

You really are a scaremonger and have absolutely no clue about what you're
talking about. You just ramble on with the same scare tactics over and over
without ever providing a shred of evidence to support your bullsh!t.

You, like a few others on this list, are the ones that are full of
"bullsh!t."
You all resort to derogatory remarks when backed into a corner. With
people like you I'd tell Lauren, Megan, and a few others, don't waste
your time replying to people like this as their prime goal is to put
people down and avoid carrying on an intelligent discussion.

I and others have asked you a thousand times to cite a *single* case of
ethoxyquin, BHT, or BHA toxicity reported in a cat in the 20 years these
antioxidants have been used in pet foods. You have *never* *once* produced
a *single* credible reference. Not one. But you continue to use the same
scare tactics and imply there's some danger when *none* have ever been
documented in cats.

Now I'll ask you to produce a *single* case of pentobarbital toxicity in a
cat. I'm betting you'll come up empty just as you *always* do. That's why
you have no credibility - other than with newbies who know absolutely
nothing and believe anything. You belong in a gossip newsgroup, not a cat
health group.

Perhaps some cat owner's should question why the FDA/CVM has never
tested cat foods for this drug. Could it be because they have spent so
much time with their cover-up on the dog foods that they will not do
any further studies?

You can't base your argument on the benefits of feeding raw food because
there are *none* so you denigrate commercial pet foods. You're like a high
school kid who can't win a girl with his own qualities so he denigrates the
other guy.

I'm not in favor of feeding raw but given a choice between raw and
commercial foods raw would be top on my list.

Again you resort to childish remarks.

Try something different for a change.... produce some proof to support your
accusations and implications instead of starting and perpetuating rumors and
scare tactics.... like you usually do....

Geez, another one that must work or the pet food industry or has some
hidden agenda.


.