"Ann Martin" wrote in message
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(Steve Crane) wrote in message
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I thought I would start a new thread and the other is getting
unwieldy.

Let's take a look at this from another angle.

ONLY for the sake of argument, let's suppose Ann Martin is right and
all pet food contains large amounts of rejected meat meals from human
processing, and all the dead cows and pigs from the feed lots. Just to
make sure everyone understands - I disagree that such is the case for
the major premium manufacturers and can state unequivocally it is not
the case for Hill's.

First, I have never stated that "all pet food contains large amounts
of rejected meat meals from human processing, and all the dead cows
and pigs from the feed lots." Many do. As I have stated a number of
times, MEAT MEAL, not chicken meat, not poultry meal, MEAT MEAL, is
material from rendering plants and CAN contain, 4-D animals, road
kill,(too large to be buried at road side), zoo animals, restaurant
garbage and grease, grocery store garbage and euthanized dogs and
cats. I might also add when I contacted David Dzanis, formerly with
the CVM and asked if the "ingredient definitions" that the AAFCO
publishes also applied to pet food, his reply was "YES". Maybe we
should take a look at some of these tasty ingredients. "Dehydrated
garbage," "Dehydrated Food Waste," "Hydrolysed hair," "Dried poultry
Waste," "Dried Swine Waste," "Undried processed animal waste product,"
The latter is defined as "composed of excreta, with or without the
litter, from poultry, ruminants, or any other animal except humans."
Guess our pets would be getting all the nutrients they require in this
mix.

But just to take this debate further along let's assume the opposite.
Please provide for me an example of a nutrient that is missing, or a
nutrient that is in excess, *and* that has proven to be harmful at the
level included in the final end product the consumer feeds. Don't
waste our time with bogus claims of pentobarb, that's already been
proven to be nothing more than scare tactics. Give me a nutrient in
excess or a nutrient that is too low and then prove some harm has
occurred. This needs to be factual, not opinion. Show us what disease,
what deaths, etc have directly occurred because of this supposed
contamination. Don't waste our time with Internet Fantasy from the
lunatic fringe - provide us with some factual proof.

Try zinc with a level of 1150 ppm? I could also state that three
mycotoxins were also found in this "premium" pet food.

My Father worked in a big well known bakery in the UK a few years back, once
a week Waltham came to collect all the waste/out of date, cakes, bread etc
to add to their feed, which was returned from the major super markets.
Whiskers and Pedigree where made by Waltham, which is meant to be a good
well know brand... terrible to then how many people are wasting their money
on feeding their cats doughnuts!