PawsForThought wrote:
wrote:
My own experience with Fancy Feast has been rather negative on the
whole. Purina seems more intent on advertising ploys, fonts and what
not, instead of making available exactly what is the analysis of the
food inside.

Don't you think you're just a tad obsessed about this? Do you really
believe the numbers you read are the actual numbers? Do you really
trust these companies? If I were you, and so concerned with the exact
content of a can of catfood, I would make your own. That way you know
exactly what's in it. You could even send off a sample to have it
analyzed to make sure you have the right proportions.

I don't trust the companies, especially Purina / Nestle which is very
difficult to get these numbers and the numbers do change as they change
their products. It's not impossible but it takes me many months for
them to finally fess up on all the products.

About being obsessed? I am concerned about the cats and unfortunately
tracking down facts is not a popular item in America, now is it? I
seriously think the majority of cat foods are doing in the cats in the
long. Having high phosphorus for a cat is like having high bad fats for
a human. It gets you in the long run.

My main "beef" with them is the rather high to intolerably high
phosphorus levels. This is akin to humans and McDonald's and the sky
high fat and salt contents of those junk foods.

Now hasn't Phil P posted the particular FF flavors that are okay in the
phos department?


About 5 out of 60 and I have never seen those 5 at any one time in any
supermarket. So that means 55 out of 60 are not okay.

I'm concerned that high phosphorus level may shorten the life of the
cat in the long run. And may be why most cats die around 15 years of
age and die of renal failure.

Phos levels are important, but so is the whole picture. You need to
concentrate not only on phos, but all nutrients of a food, and that
would include the ingredients and where they come from. Do they come
from synthetic vitamins, or is the food naturally nutritious? Are the
ingredients bioavailable to a carnivore? Do they promote health, etc.?
Well, you get the picture.

I prefer moderate phosphorus levels of less than 0.80% on a dry matter
basis. That is 0.80% not "as fed" or "guaranteed" but a "dry matter
basis."

Try getting that information out of Purina / Nestle who make Fancy
Feasts.
It's like pulling teeth and it's not updated so it's not really tracked
that I can determine.

I've never had a problem getting the info from Purina and other
companies shrug

Okay, then post here the phosphorus levels that you are finding? It
took me well over 3 months to get the phosphorus levels for their new
Healthy Weight Management Formula. Those levels were twice what I had
originally been told.

You do have problems getting this info from Purina. Go ahead. Did I not
have this discussion with you previously and challenged you to provide
the phosphorus levels? I won't even go in to pH levels. Someone said
the same thing you just did. I don't have trouble getting info... But I
am not talking generic info like how much fats. I am talking info that
is not on their web site and is not even on their VET web site which is
appalling.

I doubt very, very strongly that Purina puts all that much effort in
producing the same phosphorus levels from month to month and batch to
batch. I just don't think they care and the reason is that you don't
care enough to bug them about it.

So do something. Okay? I won't wish to appear "obsessive" so why don't
you get them to be a little more upfront on what is exactly in their
food?

In the meantime, I will try gather the research about high phosphorus.

http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm

the above is a simple start on phosphorus and foods. It's not technical
and just lists foods and a link for the update to this year.