On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 23:00:45 +0000, Gwenhwyfaer de Tierveil
wrote:

Quoth Bob Brenchley.:
You've refused all offers of documentary evidence. If you're going to
claim there's nothing to see, it's more believable if you have your
eyes open at the time.

There is no evidence to see.

She says there is, and she's happy to produce it.

She can't, all she can do is go on lying.

(a) she may have a mansion, in which case the floor space indoors is
probably larger than most cats will have access to outdoors.

Irrelevant, it is still indoors.

Not irrelevant at all. The issue for cats is space and interest - cats
need territory of a certain size, for prowling in, and need enough of
interest going on in this territory. The territory varies from cat
to cat; for a spayed male it tends to be quite small. They also need a
degree of security in it, and enough going on in it to capture their
interest. Indoors or outdoors is a quite artificial distinction, once
the space requirement is satisfied.

Rubbish. Do you have a lawn in your front room, maybe a bramble patch
in the study? How about some nice big trees? A few million bugs, lots
of plants, dozens of cats, fresh air, rain, mud, how about a nice
sunny shed roof to bask on?

(b) her local office may differ from the norm in policy.

No, policy is set higher up.

Policies set higher up are usually flexible on the ground. This applies
to all organisations; I can't see why the CPL would be any different.

Because the policies they have have worked for many years.

If they have been kept in all there lives they would go to someone
experience in handling such cases. Someone like me. It can take months
to build an older cat's confidence in the outside world, but the
results are so rewarding I'm happy to spend whatever time is needed.

I'm sorry, Bob, but from the evidence you have put forward and the
personality traits you have exhibited on this newsgroup, I doubt you're
either flexible or sympathetic enough to be capable of doing what you
claim here.

In real life I don't have to spend so much time dealing with cat
hating trolls.



And then I read the next clause...

(e) the cats consistently refused to leave the house, so she gave up
trying to persuade them.

That would be a sign of mental illness that needs treating. See above.

Bob, you do realise that you've just said that there's something wrong
with a cat that won't do what you think cats should do, don't you?

Yes, you have a problem with that?

Attempting to impose your dogma on what a cat should do on a newsgroup
is one thing. Attempting to impose it on a cat is something else. I'm
familiar with psychological abuse from my own life - and your attitude
to cats, as stated above, is psychologically abusive.

I'm pleased to say there are now a growing number of vets who will
refer a cat to an animal behavioural expert to deal with this sort of
problem.

You may be short of imagination, Bob, but don't try and project it
onto us as absolute truth. You're not in possession of that, and
neither is anyone else.

You have a very vivid imagination, but not one that fits very well
with the real world.

Rich, coming from someone who doesn't permit the existence of an
experience different from his own.

It not my own we are discussing.

...and as far as I can see, that constitutes the majority the
newsgroup. Ever wonder about that, Bob? Ever stop to think that just
perhaps a newsgroup does not find itself populated almost exclusively
by lying trolls - especially not lying trolls who seem perfectly
capable of getting on with everyone else in the newsgroup and not
insisting that their opinions are fact - until you, the vessel of
ultimate revelation, arrives to set it to rights? Ever considered
that just perhaps it might be you that's in the wrong?

You will find that there are a lot of other cat lovers out there, and
most of them will confirm all that I've said.

I have known a lot of other cat lovers. All of them are devoted to their
felines. None of them would ever abuse an animal, or tolerate such
abuse. The majority of them let their cats out; a couple don't.

Those that don't, unless there is a medical reason, are abusing their
cats.

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I see you've set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in
public.

*sigh* Is there any signature in your collection that is not
crafted to convey your utter belief in your own intellectual superiority
to just about everyone else you ever come into contact with?

Over animal abusers even a slug has intellectual superiority.

If you must disagree with people, fine, do so. People are different.
But stop being so damned RUDE about it.

Only when people stop accepting animal abuse.

--
Bob.

You have not been charged for this lesson. Please pass it to all your
friends so they may learn as well.