"Ann Martin" wrote in message
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"Ann Martin" wrote in message


I thought you weren't going to waste your time replying to me? LOL!



Now comes the poor innocent, little victimized, altruist routine! LOL!

My question is, what are you all so frightened of that you have taken
such a defensive stand?

....of you starting and perpetuating rumors and scare tactics to scare people
into a feeding plan that isn't necessary and they may not be prepared to
follow -- all based largely on innuendo, conjecture and manipulated facts -
as demonstrated to your reference to taurine-deficient diets which was
corrected nearly 20 years ago.... How's that, for starters?



You all seemed concerned that I am making all
kinds of money from my books and television radio shows. You insinuate
that all information in my books are nothing more then scare tactics.

They *are* - Are your books free? Do you appear on radio shoes for free, too
or to promote your books - i.e., free advertising? .



Let's look at the pet food industry, an industry that makes billions
per year.

So does, GM, Ford and about a 1000 other companies....


What is this industry doing? Lying to the pet owner's, brain washing
them into believing that feeding commercial pet foods, garbage, is the
only way they can have a healthy pet.

Obviously they;re not lying.... since cats are living longer today than
they've ever lived before.... Because cats are living longer, didn't it ever
occur to you that most of the diseases occur secondary to aging...? Or
doesn't that fit with your agenda....?


In the meantime these people,
the pet owner's, are incurring thousands of dollars in vet bills from
feeding this garbage.

Bullsh!t. I can singlehandedly debunk your bullsh!t because my cats have
been eating commercial food for 18 years and have never been sick a day in
their lives... other than a case of worms they got in the shelter when they
were kittens...My other cats lived to 22, 19, and 20 years- on commercial
food.

So much for your bullsh!t, eh Annie...?


Fodder snipped just for the hell of it


You ramble on about the nutrient value of the ingredients in pet foods

Obviously a subject you know nothing about....

but you neglect to mention what these ingredients actually are.

The ingredients are defined in the AAFCO Ingredients Definitions,

You
can derive nutrients from nearly anything including garbage. To that
garbage add a substantial amount of vitamins, minerals and you want us
to believe that you will be feeding your pet a "complete and balanced
diet."

That's what feeding trial are for, Einstein! That's how the digestibility,
and bioavailabilty of the nutrients are determined!

Does "gross energy", "digestible energy" and "metabolizable energy" ring any
bells...Einstein? .. or didn't you even get that far in Nutrition 101! LOL!




You have persisted in asking for documentation as to the information I
have posted. I've provided that including the e-mail from the
USDA/FSIS stating they have no input at all into the ingredients in
pet food.

I would have liked to see your original inquiry.... You can ask a question
in such a way to get almost the exact, if not the exact answer you want...
Hey, be realistic, you're not exactly unbaised and you do have an agenda...


I've quote from letter received from the FDA/CVM as to
their knowledge that pets ARE used in commercial pet foods and from
David Dzanis, DVM, formerly with the FDA/CVM

Formerly? He wouldn't be a disgruntled former employee would he? Hey, I
can play the innuendo and conjecture game too! How do you like it? LOL!


who stated that the AAFCO
ingredient definitions applied to both livestock feed and PET FOOD.

Nice manipulation! You're pretty good - but not good enough....

Because an ingredient has the same description, that doesn't mean that
ingredient can be used in either food!


"9. ANIMAL PRODUCTS . Official

*Use of this ingredient, from mammalian origins, is restricted to
non-ruminant feeds unless specifically exempted by 21 CFR 589.2000."

All the ingredients only allowed in cat food bear the "*".

The same ingredient can have different energy and nutritional values for
different animals....

I'll make this real simple so I know you'll understand: For example,
Einstein, grass has different energy and nutrient values for a cow that it
does for a cat. And even though a horse is a nonruminant, the energy and
nutrient values are different than for a cat or a cow because of the lenght
of the horses digestive system.... I guess you slept through that class of
Nutrition 101! LOL!



Crane wrote that he had spoken to Halo, the company that makes 'Spots
Stew.
"I spent nearly an hour on the phone with
this lady and found out she had never had the food analyzed and could
not even begin to give me an answer about the calcium and phosphorus
levels in the food. She kept insisting that since it was all "human
grade" the levels of these minerals didn't matter."

Well he must have spoken to the cleaning lady because Andi Brown, the
owner of the company was out of town last week. If this is the
conversation he had with the cleaning woman then she lied because Andi
Brown replied that they continually have their food analyzed and are
always in compliance.

I suggest that you get your story straight the next time you post such
inaccurate information.

ROTFLMAO! You just made a liar out of YOURSELF! (Not hard to do). What
happened to the "garbage"???




These three also continue to insist that the pentobarbital in pet food
poses no danger. I've questioned them a number of times that if this
was the case why was the investigation begun in the first place? It
was because dogs were building up a resistance to this drug and it was
taking more to euthanize the. If this drug ws having no effect then
there should have been no change in the amounts it took to euthanize.
Also, the FDA/CVM did not consider the interaction of this drug with
other drugs. They did not consider the interaction with other
chemicals found in pet food. They measured ONE liver enzyme then
sought to find the minimal daily dose that did not elevate this
enzyme. The conclusion arrived at was this drug was "probably" safe.
Probably does not mean it is safe.

So you perpetuated a rumour and scare tactic based on nothing more than
innuendo and conjecture - even though *your own source* didn;t even imply
there was a danger! You created a rumour and scare tactic -- no way out of
that! You just admitted it youself! LOL! There is no proof, even
according to you, that pentobarbital poses any danger at the levels found.

About 90% of all food ingredients are GRAS! "Gernerally regarded as safe"


As far as I'm concerned, even based partly on your *own* admission, YOU'RE
FULL OF **** and nothing but a scamming, manipulator - if not an actual liar

Anyone who believes your book, I know where they can get "waterfront"
property in Fla (not far from the Everglades) and Rolex watches real cheap!
LOL!

more bullsh!t snipped