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Old October 7th 03, 07:22 PM
Liz
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Yes of course we wouldn't want to leave out the fact that chicken by
product meal is MORE digestible than plain chicken and contains less
ground up bone tissue ? good point.


Excellent point. Lets all free feed our cats Science Diet for two
weeks and Wellness or Felidae for two weeks and weigh their stools
daily. Both Wellness and Felidae produce much less stools than Science
Diet. That´s how digestible they are. And this is something anyone
here can try at home and see for themselves.

Of course the comment about heat
destroying nutrients is silly scaremongering nonsense. Manufacturers
have known the degradation rate of every vitamin for forty years,
based upon time and temperature.


Nonsense is your argumentation. Can you please explain this recent
hype of adding linoleic and linolenic acids (omega 6 and 3) to pet
foods? Both are easily destroyed by heat and both are essential. If
manufacturers had known degradation temperature of every vitamin for
forty years, why is this omega thing such a recent hype? Food
manufacturers know very little. Look at Hill´s launching an Atkin´s
type diet for cats with *15%* carbohydrates in it. That´s how much
Hill´s knows biochemistry: nothing at all. I bet they don´t have the
slightest understanding of what the Atkins does to the body and why
carbs have to be so reduced. Your nutrition researchers should all go
back to college.

It's a no brainer to add in
sufficient vitamin X to accommodate loss. Further all competent
manufacturers test the FINAL product to insure it has all the
nutrients it is supposed to have at the right levels AFTER the
manufacturing process.


Yes, they can do that for the *known* nutrients. How about the
nutrients we still do not know about? How do they test for those? Or
do you think we already know all there is to know about nutrition?
Biochemistry is only the most underdeveloped science of all sciences
simply because it is so complex.

This old wives tale and scaremongering about
heat destroying stuff is complete nonsense.


Yeah, about the entire world knows that and Mr. Know-it-all stating
differently.

In fact for many
nutrients, heating is what makes them bio-available to the animal.


Oh goodness. Now this is wild bs. Please state one. And let me remind
you that cellulose or starch are *not* necessary at all in a cat´s
diet.

Felidae Dry: 21% carbohydrates

First of all your calculations were in error on this one, according to
their web site they have: protein 32.0%, fat 20.0%, fiber 2.5%,
moisture 9.0%, ash 5.5% Total 69% 100-69 = 31% carbohydrates


How about the other ingredients you did not add up?

Omega-6 fatty acids - 3.5%
Digestive Enzymes - 1.5 %
Omega-3 fatty acids - 0.75%
Linoleic acid - 3,70%
Magnesium and taurine - ~0.3%

Or are those things carbohydrates in your concept? I won´t bother
looking at the rest of your manipulated numbers. Now if you are going
to say something like "those things are included in proteins, fats and
ash," I say we write them and ask.

Why is it that you posted levels of calcium and phosphorus? Is it the
old scare tactics and innuendoes relating them to kidney damage? If
you have ONE study showing either of them to be toxic to kidneys
please post. And don´t give me that old crap of the early stages of
kidney disease. Phosphorus is only harmful to kidneys if it is in
excess in *blood*, not in diet. Excess phosphorus in blood
(hyperphosphataemia) can be detected at any time, all it takes is a
blood panel. This philosophy of Hill´s (and some other companies)
treating consumers as morons infuriates me. It shows how much the
company respects their customer - nothing at all. They (customers) are
all a bunch of easily-manipulated imbeciles. So let´s go ahead and
launch the 15% carbs Atkin´s type diet even knowing it doesn´t work.
Who cares? We are making money and that´s all that matters.