wrote:
Rudy Canoza wrote:
dh@. wrote:
On Wed, 18 May 2005 14:35:37 GMT, Rudy Canoza
wrote:

gay merrington wrote:

Animals,most if not all,DO experience emotion but certainly
not
in
a way we
as humans understand.

Primitive emotions: fear, aggression, anger. They do
NOT experience disappointment, dashed hope, envy,
Schadenfreude, exultance, pride.

What do you think prevents them from experiencing
simple things like that?

I suspect the same thing that keeps them from doing differential
calculus or studying philosophy, ****wit: the lack of human
capacity.


So any human can do those things?

No, but ONLY humans can.

I know some people who can't even
take simple derivatives, is that due to lack of human capacity?


As yet we have no reason
to believe they can't experience pride just as well as anger,
or envy, or fear.

Yes, we have ample reason to believe they can't experience pride,
****wit - they give no evidence of it. I think you also can't
experience it, ****wit, because you have nothing in your life of
which to be proud.

Perhaps you have never experienced pride if you cannot recognize it
in
others.

I've experienced it myself and recognized it in others.



A mother is proud of her offspring, proud of her abilitiy to care for
them.

Non human animal mothers are not. Their only connection to their
offspring is feeding them and protecting them.

A young hunter is proud of its first kill.

Non human hunting animals are not.


A male is proud of his sexual prowess.

Not something to be proud of, but whatever. Non human males are not
proud of it; they just do it.


A lion is proud of its pride (duh).

No.


A pet is proud when it pleases its master.

No.


Some pets are proud to have escaped their masters.

No.

Those last three were pure projection; pure anthropomorphism. Pure
nonsense, too.



I'm proud of you for recogninzing that "pride" refers to an emotional
behavior observed in animals.

Not in non human animals; not ever.