"Kyla =^..^=" wrote
"cshenk"
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote
John Doe wrote:

John Doe almost looks like a spammer to me but hard to tell.

I agree

Hard to tell.

I rescued 2 cats I didnt want and was afraid to take. The owner was
having them put to sleep as his new wife developed an 'allergy' when
pregnant. I think her 'allergy' was cleaning the cat litter so he had to
do it. (There are reasons why pregnant humans shouldn't do that for a
bit). The guy wanted to review my home to be sure I was 'suitable for
his beloved kitties'. AKA spick and span clean and all that.

The OP said if I didnt pass muster, he was having thew 2 cats put the sleep.
He 'loved them to much to let them go to an impefect house'.

I cleaned up, and took the kitties adding them to a 2 cat existing
household and i have *never* declawed a cat. I learned instead how to
train them to acceptable behavior.

These 2 new kitties minced in with pain. A sad story and a rather ugly
one.

I took them to my vet right away as even for declawed cats, this was very
abnormal. Vet took all the info I had on the guy and tried to take him to
court for animal abuse. Although he could not 'prove' it, he suspected
the guy did the job himself with toenail clippers. All 4 paws on both of
them.

We never got the guy and the vet did me the best cut rare deal of 100$ a
foot for the 2 of them that he could (this was cost of materials and meds
only) to make it so they could walk pain-free.

I admit this is a radical case but I am just ever so much into not
declawing since that.

Not "superficial" at all, since I have actually LIVED with a declawed
cat, and you admit you have not! (Are you REALLY as ignorant as you
make yourself appear to be?)

My attributes may be wrong (sue me). I have lived with 2 declawed and 2
normals at the same time. Fast I noted front declaw alone leads to more
hissing and defence becomes BITING which leads to vet due to puncture
wounds, rare in clawed kitties.

And what the **** does a dog's tail have to do with a cat's claws?

Nice words Joe :/

He's not relating a potential medical need with a 'gee it would be nice it
they cant scratch the couch'.

Lets face it, I rescued 2 cats from an asshole and even the vet tried to
find him to charge him with animal abuse.

It's an integral part of the dog's anatomy, and equally necessary to
it's total well-being. (Idiot!)

There we may differ a tiny bit. I don't agree with docking for dogs, but
we have over bred some versions to where they literally break their tails
and it may have to be done later to give them ability if it can't be
reset. You may find a search on 'cold tail' useful there. Our Cash-pup
broke his tail before we got him and had an incident about 1 year after
we got him but it healed. If it happens again, we may have to dock him to
remove the pain if he gets an unmovable tail hanging down. He's not your
traditional 'dock tail' sort so it isnt for cosmetics. Imagine part of
your spine broken then hanging helplessly down and hurting all the time.
Thats when 'docking' is medical. It removes the weight hanging down that
they *cant* do anything about except feel pain from.

So, my stance (forgive me if messed attributes up) is declawing is never
needed or good, but docking a dog *may* sometimes be a medical need.

Thank you..I think declawing is wrong for any reason and that's the last I
am saying on the subject....it makes me sick!!! And yes, Joe is an
idiot!!!
Kyla

Unilaterally claiming docking of a dog is 'bad' can be the same. I would
not do it just based on breed, but it is possible to save *Cash-pup* pain,
we may have to in the future. Imagine a broken piece of your spine you cant
lift or wag that hurts all the time and you can see where this can be a
medical issue. They sometimes need to dock a cats tail over the same.

Buddy (cat) had to be 'docked'. He was hit by a car and I adopted him off
the humane society in something like 1981. I was told his tail was crushed
beyond repair except the stub of about 2 inches.

Cash-pup has a broken tail but it causes no pain. If he re-breaks it, he
will need pain meds and docking to reduce his pain. This is a medical
procedure in this case, not cosmetic. Sad smile, he's a mixed breed but
looks more beagle and you don't doc beagles normally. I'm hoping he never
needs it as he's happier as nature made him.