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Old November 10th 03, 09:13 PM
Tamara
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Thanks for your inquiry about taurine and cardiomyopathy (DCM).
Taurine is essential for a healthy heart and Nutro is on the forefront
of current taurine research.

The Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association (JAVMA)
recently published the results of a UC Davis study begun in 1997 and
completed in 2001 that was based on a twelve-dog sample over a
four-year period. The study theorized that feeding certain diets may
lead to low blood concentrations of taurine, which may in turn lead to
DCM in some small number of dogs. Because the UC Davis study involved
some Nutro products, mainly due to our enormous market share in the UC
Davis marketplace, the article may convey the impression to a casual
reader that feeding Nutro's lamb meal and rice products leads to
taurine deficiency. This was not stated in the article and is simply
not true. The UC Davis team has subsequently stated that " this is a
genetic and environmental issue and we need to do more research on the
effect of diet."

The report did correctly state that one of the manufacturers of the
pet foods sited had subsequently added taurine to its product. That
manufacturer was Nutro. Nutro's nutritionists, along with UC Davis,
have conducted intensive research over the past several years on
taurine metabolism in dogs. As a result, Nutro has determined the
optimal amounts of dietary taurine necessary to produce blood and
plasma taurine concentrations well within the levels recommended by UC
Davis. Nutro's foods contain more than this amount.

The article printed in JAVMA is old news. Beginning in 2001, and
continuing today, all of Nutro's Natural Choice products have been
enriched with added, extra taurine to provide insurance to even the
very small number of dogs that may be predisposed to DCM (less than
0.5%). As you can see by the enclosed chart, Natural Choice Lamb Meal
& Rice contains more taurine than other competitive brands. In fact,
as much as 180% more.

Nutro is committed to using the best ingredients to make the best pet
foods. Our products are formulated based on the latest research and
scientific findings regarding dog and cat nutrition. We continually
enhance our foods to insure the health and well being of our
consumers' pets. When we say Natural Choice is THE BEST DOG FOOD IN
THE WORLD we mean it. And you can be absolutely confident that by
feeding Nutro's pet foods you are providing the very best nutrition
available today for your loving pet.

If you have additional questions or desire additional information
please feel free to contact us at 1-800-833-5330 or at
www.nutroproducts.com. Thank you again for your inquiry
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Old November 10th 03, 09:31 PM
Joe Canuck
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Tamara wrote:
Thanks for your inquiry about taurine and cardiomyopathy (DCM).
Taurine is essential for a healthy heart and Nutro is on the forefront
of current taurine research.


snip

I didn't inquire, but since you seem to be a representative of Nutro
given your email address perhaps you can share with us the dry matter
analysis % of the following Nutro product:

"Natural Choice Complete Care Adult" (dry)

Please don't respond with a "canned" answer, thank you.

Well folks, looks like the pet food companies do pay attention. I
verified the email addy, it is valid.

--
"Its the bugs that keep it running."
-Joe Canuck

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Old November 10th 03, 09:36 PM
Joe Canuck
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Perhaps you could also confirm, deny and elaborate on the following as well:

Does Nutro no long do feeding trials of the cat food products?

Does Nutro now formulate cat food based on least-cost methods?

Why was the proximate analysis of the Nutro foods remove from the
website a while back?

These have been rumours circulating in the newsgroup for a long while
now. You have the opportunity now to perhaps correct this information as
you did with the JAVMA study.

--
"Its the bugs that keep it running."
-Joe Canuck

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Old November 10th 03, 10:16 PM
Phil P.
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"Joe Canuck" wrote in message
.. .

Perhaps you could also confirm, deny and elaborate on the following as

well:

Does Nutro no long do feeding trials of the cat food products?


That's not a rumor, Joe. The label statement on Nutro products "....is
formulated to meet the nutritional levels estabĀ*lished by the AAFCO Cat Food
Nutrient Profiles for... " means feeding trials were not used to assure
nutritional adequacy (and digestibility) of the diet.

A food that bears the the label statement "Animal feeding tests using AAFCO
procedures substantiate that...." .indicates that feeding trials were used.



Does Nutro now formulate cat food based on least-cost methods?

Why was the proximate analysis of the Nutro foods remove from the
website a while back?


I think the above two are probably related. Nutro can't very well publish
proximate analyses of their diets if the nutritional values of their diets
vary from batch to batch. Still, I'd like to see their answer...

Phil


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Old November 11th 03, 01:08 AM
Joe Canuck
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Phil P. wrote:
"Joe Canuck" wrote in message
.. .

Perhaps you could also confirm, deny and elaborate on the following as


well:

Does Nutro no long do feeding trials of the cat food products?



That's not a rumor, Joe. The label statement on Nutro products "....is
formulated to meet the nutritional levels estabĀ*lished by the AAFCO Cat Food
Nutrient Profiles for... " means feeding trials were not used to assure
nutritional adequacy (and digestibility) of the diet.

A food that bears the the label statement "Animal feeding tests using AAFCO
procedures substantiate that...." .indicates that feeding trials were used.



Does Nutro now formulate cat food based on least-cost methods?

Why was the proximate analysis of the Nutro foods remove from the
website a while back?



I think the above two are probably related. Nutro can't very well publish
proximate analyses of their diets if the nutritional values of their diets
vary from batch to batch. Still, I'd like to see their answer...

Phil




Good points, different wording which most of us just glance over without
much thought.

I'm a former Nutro customer as well, and I'm not holding my breathe for
answers here but I thought I would provide the opportunity for Nutro to
provide some answers for us.

I've noted with some interest the wording on a bag of California Natural
Chicken & Rice the following text:

"California Naural Chicken & Rice Cat Food is formulated to meet the
nutritional levels established by the AAFCO (American Association of
Feed Control Officials) Cat Food Nutrient Profiles for all life stages."

This now tell me two things: That California Natural is not testing via
a feed trial and that it meets the higher growth AAFCO standards for
growth & reproduction. In other words queens & kittens. It is basically
a one size fits all formulation.

--
"Its the bugs that keep it running."
-Joe Canuck

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Old November 11th 03, 01:08 AM
Joe Canuck
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Phil P. wrote:
"Joe Canuck" wrote in message
.. .

Perhaps you could also confirm, deny and elaborate on the following as


well:

Does Nutro no long do feeding trials of the cat food products?



That's not a rumor, Joe. The label statement on Nutro products "....is
formulated to meet the nutritional levels estabĀ*lished by the AAFCO Cat Food
Nutrient Profiles for... " means feeding trials were not used to assure
nutritional adequacy (and digestibility) of the diet.

A food that bears the the label statement "Animal feeding tests using AAFCO
procedures substantiate that...." .indicates that feeding trials were used.



Does Nutro now formulate cat food based on least-cost methods?

Why was the proximate analysis of the Nutro foods remove from the
website a while back?



I think the above two are probably related. Nutro can't very well publish
proximate analyses of their diets if the nutritional values of their diets
vary from batch to batch. Still, I'd like to see their answer...

Phil




Good points, different wording which most of us just glance over without
much thought.

I'm a former Nutro customer as well, and I'm not holding my breathe for
answers here but I thought I would provide the opportunity for Nutro to
provide some answers for us.

I've noted with some interest the wording on a bag of California Natural
Chicken & Rice the following text:

"California Naural Chicken & Rice Cat Food is formulated to meet the
nutritional levels established by the AAFCO (American Association of
Feed Control Officials) Cat Food Nutrient Profiles for all life stages."

This now tell me two things: That California Natural is not testing via
a feed trial and that it meets the higher growth AAFCO standards for
growth & reproduction. In other words queens & kittens. It is basically
a one size fits all formulation.

--
"Its the bugs that keep it running."
-Joe Canuck

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Old November 11th 03, 01:08 AM
Joe Canuck
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Phil P. wrote:
"Joe Canuck" wrote in message
.. .

Perhaps you could also confirm, deny and elaborate on the following as


well:

Does Nutro no long do feeding trials of the cat food products?



That's not a rumor, Joe. The label statement on Nutro products "....is
formulated to meet the nutritional levels estabĀ*lished by the AAFCO Cat Food
Nutrient Profiles for... " means feeding trials were not used to assure
nutritional adequacy (and digestibility) of the diet.

A food that bears the the label statement "Animal feeding tests using AAFCO
procedures substantiate that...." .indicates that feeding trials were used.



Does Nutro now formulate cat food based on least-cost methods?

Why was the proximate analysis of the Nutro foods remove from the
website a while back?



I think the above two are probably related. Nutro can't very well publish
proximate analyses of their diets if the nutritional values of their diets
vary from batch to batch. Still, I'd like to see their answer...

Phil




Good points, different wording which most of us just glance over without
much thought.

I'm a former Nutro customer as well, and I'm not holding my breathe for
answers here but I thought I would provide the opportunity for Nutro to
provide some answers for us.

I've noted with some interest the wording on a bag of California Natural
Chicken & Rice the following text:

"California Naural Chicken & Rice Cat Food is formulated to meet the
nutritional levels established by the AAFCO (American Association of
Feed Control Officials) Cat Food Nutrient Profiles for all life stages."

This now tell me two things: That California Natural is not testing via
a feed trial and that it meets the higher growth AAFCO standards for
growth & reproduction. In other words queens & kittens. It is basically
a one size fits all formulation.

--
"Its the bugs that keep it running."
-Joe Canuck

  #8  
Old November 10th 03, 10:16 PM
Phil P.
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"Joe Canuck" wrote in message
.. .

Perhaps you could also confirm, deny and elaborate on the following as

well:

Does Nutro no long do feeding trials of the cat food products?


That's not a rumor, Joe. The label statement on Nutro products "....is
formulated to meet the nutritional levels estabĀ*lished by the AAFCO Cat Food
Nutrient Profiles for... " means feeding trials were not used to assure
nutritional adequacy (and digestibility) of the diet.

A food that bears the the label statement "Animal feeding tests using AAFCO
procedures substantiate that...." .indicates that feeding trials were used.



Does Nutro now formulate cat food based on least-cost methods?

Why was the proximate analysis of the Nutro foods remove from the
website a while back?


I think the above two are probably related. Nutro can't very well publish
proximate analyses of their diets if the nutritional values of their diets
vary from batch to batch. Still, I'd like to see their answer...

Phil


  #9  
Old November 10th 03, 10:16 PM
Phil P.
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"Joe Canuck" wrote in message
.. .

Perhaps you could also confirm, deny and elaborate on the following as

well:

Does Nutro no long do feeding trials of the cat food products?


That's not a rumor, Joe. The label statement on Nutro products "....is
formulated to meet the nutritional levels estabĀ*lished by the AAFCO Cat Food
Nutrient Profiles for... " means feeding trials were not used to assure
nutritional adequacy (and digestibility) of the diet.

A food that bears the the label statement "Animal feeding tests using AAFCO
procedures substantiate that...." .indicates that feeding trials were used.



Does Nutro now formulate cat food based on least-cost methods?

Why was the proximate analysis of the Nutro foods remove from the
website a while back?


I think the above two are probably related. Nutro can't very well publish
proximate analyses of their diets if the nutritional values of their diets
vary from batch to batch. Still, I'd like to see their answer...

Phil


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Old November 10th 03, 09:31 PM
Joe Canuck
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Tamara wrote:
Thanks for your inquiry about taurine and cardiomyopathy (DCM).
Taurine is essential for a healthy heart and Nutro is on the forefront
of current taurine research.


snip

I didn't inquire, but since you seem to be a representative of Nutro
given your email address perhaps you can share with us the dry matter
analysis % of the following Nutro product:

"Natural Choice Complete Care Adult" (dry)

Please don't respond with a "canned" answer, thank you.

Well folks, looks like the pet food companies do pay attention. I
verified the email addy, it is valid.

--
"Its the bugs that keep it running."
-Joe Canuck

 




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