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  #141  
Old March 26th 10, 05:14 AM posted to alt.med.veterinary,alt.pets.cats,rec.pets.cats.community,rec.pets.cats.health+behav
Stormmee
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Default Male cat FLUTD UTI problems

hi carol, could you trim rpcc out of this thread? thanks, Lee
"cshenk" wrote in message
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"Bill Graham" wrote

What I fail to understand is how the hell you (or anyone but a zoo
keeper) can keep a dog from eating the cat food. I had a beagle, and
there was no way I could keep him from eating any damn thing he pleased.
If it was there, he would eat it. Of course, if you don't have to work
for a living, and have nothing better to do but police what your animals
eat, then you could do it, but then, you would effectively be a zoo
keeper. Us adults have to work for a living, and we leave our animals
food while we are at work, and they will eat what they want to eat, and
take it from me.....The beagles will eat the cat food, nitwit.....


LOL, true. You *can't* really control most beagles around food left out.
Oh, I know it isnt true of all of them (individual personality will come
to play) but generally beagles will eat anything they can get at until
they hurl. At least mine does and almost all other beagle owners I know
say the same thing.

I have a friend at work with an exception. She's got 4 beagles and one of
them controls himself. He could be free-fed if it were not for the
others.

Grin, I work it this way. Cat eats at 0615 (same as Dog) but up on a
bookshelf that she can reach and he can't. She's fed no more than we know
she will eat for 'breakfast' (He's on a diet and would happily eat more).
She sometimes drifts down to steal a dry kibble (oddly, he allows this
with her but no one else. She can actually push his head over and grab
one and she lets him). Daisy was totally kibble fed when we got her so we
slowly converted her to wet. Took about 2 months as we wanted no rapid
shifts while also taming down a semi-feral into a true house cat.

About noon, then get a small broth with added fat (for their coats)
'noshe' delivered same way and come evening, 6pm they get fed again like
for morning. This time Daisy may get a *small* sprinkle of the higher
quality dry kibble (4-5 kibbles) and Cash-beagle gets wet added to his
higher quality dry.

The noon noshe is where the main interaction takes place. Daisy-cat may
lap up all of hers and leave the meat scraps (leftover small bits of fish
or chicken etc added, just a teaspoon or so for her in 3 TB broth). Cash
however will fish out the meats (1 TB for him of minced meats and he
happens to really like a green bean or so in there), lap up most of the
broth (he gets about 1/2 cup) then eat his 'treat' green bean or 2 and
wander off. Daisy comes down and laps up a bit more of his broth while he
gets any meat bits left in her bowl delivered down where he can reach it.

Works for us. I of course only get to to see the noon noshe only on
weekends. (Don is retired but I'm still a youngun and working).

Even with standard pet foods, the dog won't keel over if they get a little
cat food sometimes, and the cat won't if thery get a little dog food
sometimes. It's just not optimal long term.

Dogs do not need added Taurine so it isnt add to commercial dog foods.
Cats need it so it is added to theirs.




  #142  
Old March 26th 10, 12:56 PM posted to alt.med.veterinary,alt.pets.cats,rec.pets.cats.community,rec.pets.cats.health+behav
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"Stormmee" wrote

you are talking about torrine, sp? for the cats needs, i

just
never
looked
into if the dog eating the cat food would hurt the dog, Lee

Thats it or close enough. Dog eating the cat food is

harmless.


No, it is not harmless. Dog food doesn't contain enough
protein
for
cats.
Cats couldn't eat enough dog food to meet their nutritional
requirements
because they would reach saiety long before their nutritional
requirements
were met.

Dog food also does not contain enough fat for cats. Thats why
dogs
get
fat
quickly when they eat cat food.


Cat eating
the dog food won't hurt them either as long as long as they

get
enough
of
that stuff in the diet.

Feeding dog food to a cat would certainly would hurt the cat
if
she
ate
it
for more than a few days.



It's pretty close on what both need, except that one added

thing
the
cats
need

No, dog food is not close to cat food in nutrients cats

require.

In addition to the lack of enough protein and fat, and the
lack
of
taurine,
dog foods use beta-carotene as a source of Vitamin A. Cats

cannot
convert
beta-carotene into vitamin A, and must have preformed

vitamin-A.

Dog food also does not contain arachidonic acid - an essential
fatty
acid
for cats. Dog food contains linoleic acid from which dogs
synthesize
arachidonic acid. Cats cannot synthesize arachidonic acid from
linoleic
acid
and must obtain arachidonic acid in their diet.

Cats require more arginine than dogs because they lack an
intestinal
enzyme,
pyrroline-5-carboxylate synthase, required for synthesis of
the
arginine
precursor, ornithine. Arginine is required for normal protein
synthesis
and
ammonia detoxification.

Cats have a higher requirements for B vitamins than dogs. Cat
foods
contain
at least twice the amounts of many B vitamins found in dog

foods.

Bottom line-- cats are not small dogs. Feed cats cat food and
feed
dogs
dog
food.


http://maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm

If only you guys could hear yourselves.......It would be hard to
believe.....How can feeding cat food to a dog hurt the (any)
cat?
It's
the
dog eating the wrong food, you nitwits, not the cat.....

I was correcting the statement that "Cat eating the dog food
won't
hurt
them
either....", nitwit. And yes, feeding cat food to a dog can hurt
the
dog.
Cat food contains more protein and fat which leads to obesity in
dogs,
nitwit.

So it comes down to your definition of, "hurt".


No- it comes down to feeding cat food to cats and dog food to dogs.
That
should be simple enough even for a babbling nitwit like you to
understand.

What I fail to understand is how the hell you (or anyone but a zoo
keeper)
can keep a dog from eating the cat food.


You fail to understand because you're a nitwit. If you can't figure
out
how
to feed the cats where the dog
can't reach, then you're too dumb to have cats and dogs.



I had a beagle, and there was no
way I could keep him from eating any damn thing he pleased.


That's because the dog was smarter than you, nitwit. If you can't

outsmart
a
dog, you'll *never* outsmart a cat!

At least I know the difference.....



That's a start... Now all you have to work on is which food the cat gets
and
which food the dog gets.





  #143  
Old March 27th 10, 05:03 AM posted to alt.med.veterinary,alt.pets.cats,rec.pets.cats.community,rec.pets.cats.health+behav
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Default Male cat FLUTD UTI problems


"cshenk" wrote in message
...
"Bill Graham" wrote

What I fail to understand is how the hell you (or anyone but a zoo
keeper) can keep a dog from eating the cat food. I had a beagle, and
there was no way I could keep him from eating any damn thing he pleased.
If it was there, he would eat it. Of course, if you don't have to work
for a living, and have nothing better to do but police what your animals
eat, then you could do it, but then, you would effectively be a zoo
keeper. Us adults have to work for a living, and we leave our animals
food while we are at work, and they will eat what they want to eat, and
take it from me.....The beagles will eat the cat food, nitwit.....


LOL, true. You *can't* really control most beagles around food left out.
Oh, I know it isnt true of all of them (individual personality will come
to play) but generally beagles will eat anything they can get at until
they hurl. At least mine does and almost all other beagle owners I know
say the same thing.

I have a friend at work with an exception. She's got 4 beagles and one of
them controls himself. He could be free-fed if it were not for the
others.

Grin, I work it this way. Cat eats at 0615 (same as Dog) but up on a
bookshelf that she can reach and he can't. She's fed no more than we know
she will eat for 'breakfast' (He's on a diet and would happily eat more).
She sometimes drifts down to steal a dry kibble (oddly, he allows this
with her but no one else. She can actually push his head over and grab
one and she lets him). Daisy was totally kibble fed when we got her so we
slowly converted her to wet. Took about 2 months as we wanted no rapid
shifts while also taming down a semi-feral into a true house cat.

About noon, then get a small broth with added fat (for their coats)
'noshe' delivered same way and come evening, 6pm they get fed again like
for morning. This time Daisy may get a *small* sprinkle of the higher
quality dry kibble (4-5 kibbles) and Cash-beagle gets wet added to his
higher quality dry.

The noon noshe is where the main interaction takes place. Daisy-cat may
lap up all of hers and leave the meat scraps (leftover small bits of fish
or chicken etc added, just a teaspoon or so for her in 3 TB broth). Cash
however will fish out the meats (1 TB for him of minced meats and he
happens to really like a green bean or so in there), lap up most of the
broth (he gets about 1/2 cup) then eat his 'treat' green bean or 2 and
wander off. Daisy comes down and laps up a bit more of his broth while he
gets any meat bits left in her bowl delivered down where he can reach it.

Works for us. I of course only get to to see the noon noshe only on
weekends. (Don is retired but I'm still a youngun and working).

Even with standard pet foods, the dog won't keel over if they get a little
cat food sometimes, and the cat won't if thery get a little dog food
sometimes. It's just not optimal long term.

Dogs do not need added Taurine so it isnt add to commercial dog foods.
Cats need it so it is added to theirs.


Well, with 5 outside cats, I really can't ration what they eat....I leave
them an effectively infinite amount of dry food all the time, and just put
down a can or so of wet food every day for each one of then who wants it. I
don't keep dogs, but the neighbors' dogs come by from time to time to eat
whatever's available for them.....Since my wife and I feed raccoons, there
is usually some cheap dog food available that they can eat.....We also find
an occasional possum eating the raccoon food.....We both love animals and
will feed pretty near anything we think is hungry whether it's wild or not.
That's how we acquired a couple of our cats....They just turned up at the
doorstep one day because they liked the taste/availability of our food......

Somebody sent me a u-tube clip of a couple who feeds wild deer every day at
lunchtime.....It's a real kick....They have this huge pot of vegetable
soup/stew, and they eat outside on their patio. 'they set out a dozen or so
bowls on their table, and around lunchtime, the deer start showing up on
their lawn.....Then they spoon out a portion of stew for each one and two
for themselves, and the deer come right up to the table and eat their stew
right out of their own bowls while the couple eats without paying any
attention to them at all!

 




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