PETA - People Exhibiting Terrible Attributes

(Steve Crane) scrawls

Man does indeed have dominance over animals - Now you've heard a Jew
make the claim. I have to wonder at the level of education of someone
who is so illiterate they are not aware that in 90% of the world's
religions on earth the same claim is made in one form or another. Only
in the fringe whacko lunatic arena has anyone claimed otherwise
but
please do not attempt to impose that upon others, nor suggest that it
should be imposed upon the millions of men who believed in one faith
or another and died to allow you the freedom to express your childish
foolishness.

Why are YOU so idiotic? It was/is man who has never been able to maintain piece
with fellow man for any length of time. If you have any grasp of any history of
the world, you would acknowledge that man has never united as one, rather, man
has bickered with man since the beginning of .. man. In addition..One group has
always declared dominance over another. One group has stolen property, ideas,
etc. over another. Usually, the group that has more weapons/stronger weapons
dominates the other. Hitler had an army to round up Jews, "white" man had guns
and nearly wiped out the Native American..at least their culture...Man has been
responsible for the extinction of so many species of animals. How's that
happen? Man had guns.

(Steve Crane) scrawls

Man does indeed have dominance over animals - Now you've heard a Jew
make the claim. I have to wonder at the level of education of someone
who is so illiterate they are not aware that in 90% of the world's
religions on earth the same claim is made in one form or another. Only
in the fringe whacko lunatic arena has anyone claimed otherwise
but
please do not attempt to impose that upon others, nor suggest that it
should be imposed upon the millions of men who believed in one faith
or another and died to allow you the freedom to express your childish
foolishness.

Why are YOU so idiotic? It was/is man who has never been able to maintain piece
with fellow man for any length of time. If you have any grasp of any history of
the world, you would acknowledge that man has never united as one, rather, man
has bickered with man since the beginning of .. man. In addition..One group has
always declared dominance over another. One group has stolen property, ideas,
etc. over another. Usually, the group that has more weapons/stronger weapons
dominates the other. Hitler had an army to round up Jews, "white" man had guns
and nearly wiped out the Native American..at least their culture...Man has been
responsible for the extinction of so many species of animals. How's that
happen? Man had guns.

Steve Crane wrote:

wrote in message news:EsFkI7LVLls8-pn2-u18lpq1y6dLw@localhost...
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 19:57:03 UTC, frlpwr wrote:

To bring yourself a little closer to wisdom, try reading "Guns,
Germs, and Steel", a Pulitzer Prize winning book by Jared Diamond. It's subtitle is "The Fates of Human Societies". You might even
learn enough to justify posting here again...

Excellent book by the way - everyone ought to read it.

Yes, but a book about cultural development and social change, not
evolution, the process of biological morphology.

Steve Crane wrote:

wrote in message news:EsFkI7LVLls8-pn2-u18lpq1y6dLw@localhost...
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 19:57:03 UTC, frlpwr wrote:

To bring yourself a little closer to wisdom, try reading "Guns,
Germs, and Steel", a Pulitzer Prize winning book by Jared Diamond. It's subtitle is "The Fates of Human Societies". You might even
learn enough to justify posting here again...

Excellent book by the way - everyone ought to read it.

Yes, but a book about cultural development and social change, not
evolution, the process of biological morphology.

Steve Crane wrote:

(-L.) wrote in message om...
wrote in message news:EsFkI7LVLls8-pn2-7F3W3POrrgYn@localhost...

Never heard a Jew use the "dominion over animals" rhetoric...obviously
he may be the first, but I doubt it. It's mainline bible-thumper
crap.

-L.

Man does indeed have dominance over animals -

Indeed. It is one thing to exercise power over others and quite another
to claim that this naked power is supernaturally mandated.

Groups of men have dominance over other groups of men. Does this make
slavery, subjugation and repression part of god's plan, too?

Now you've heard a Jew make the claim. I have to wonder at the level of education of someone
who is so illiterate they are not aware that in 90% of the world's
religions on earth the same claim is made in one form or another.

I have to wonder at the level of education of someone who would try to
pass off the classic logical fallacy, Appeal to the Popular (Everbody
Does It), to justify the forcible domination of other species.

Only in the fringe whacko lunatic arena has anyone claimed otherwise.

Most progressive movements have been labelled "fringe whacko lunatic" by
their detractors.

It is certainly your choice to choose secularism as your "religion",
but please do not attempt to impose that upon others, nor suggest that it should be imposed upon the millions of men who believed in one
faith or another and died to allow you the freedom to express your
childish foolishness.

Another logical fallacy, Appeal to Pity.

Steve Crane wrote:

(-L.) wrote in message om...
wrote in message news:EsFkI7LVLls8-pn2-7F3W3POrrgYn@localhost...

Never heard a Jew use the "dominion over animals" rhetoric...obviously
he may be the first, but I doubt it. It's mainline bible-thumper
crap.

-L.

Man does indeed have dominance over animals -

Indeed. It is one thing to exercise power over others and quite another
to claim that this naked power is supernaturally mandated.

Groups of men have dominance over other groups of men. Does this make
slavery, subjugation and repression part of god's plan, too?

Now you've heard a Jew make the claim. I have to wonder at the level of education of someone
who is so illiterate they are not aware that in 90% of the world's
religions on earth the same claim is made in one form or another.

I have to wonder at the level of education of someone who would try to
pass off the classic logical fallacy, Appeal to the Popular (Everbody
Does It), to justify the forcible domination of other species.

Only in the fringe whacko lunatic arena has anyone claimed otherwise.

Most progressive movements have been labelled "fringe whacko lunatic" by
their detractors.

It is certainly your choice to choose secularism as your "religion",
but please do not attempt to impose that upon others, nor suggest that it should be imposed upon the millions of men who believed in one
faith or another and died to allow you the freedom to express your
childish foolishness.

Another logical fallacy, Appeal to Pity.

From: (Luvskats00)

Why are YOU so idiotic?

You totally missed his point. Man HAS dominance over the animals. Do you
think that "the animals" have dominance over man? Of course not. In your
eagnerness to bash mankind, you are missing the point completely. In fact,
animalkind maims and eats each other on a daily basis. So what's the
difference?

It was/is man who has never been able to maintain piece
with fellow man for any length of time.

Not long ago on America's Funniest Home Videos there was a video of a boy and
his father w/ their hamster outside and the little boy was admiring his pet
when an eagle swept down and took the hamster away (presumably to eat it). It
looked to me like the eagle stole from the boy and then murdered the poor
hamster and then cannibilized it! That wasn't very nice, now, was it?

If you have any grasp of any history of
the world, you would acknowledge that man has never united as one, rather,
man
has bickered with man since the beginning of .. man.

Yeah, it's called evil.

Man has been
responsible for the extinction of so many species of animals.

Don't forget about nature and other animals extincting other species! Don't
place all of the blame on "man".

Hitler had an army to round up Jews, "white" man had guns
and nearly wiped out the Native American..at least their culture...

Hitler was evil and Indians (oops, let's be politically correct here)...uh,
"Native Americans" actually I'm a Native American since I was born and raised
here in the US aren't completely blameless either. They went to war against
other tribes and raped and pillaged nature as well. You need to get off of
your high horse!

From: (Luvskats00)

Why are YOU so idiotic?

You totally missed his point. Man HAS dominance over the animals. Do you
think that "the animals" have dominance over man? Of course not. In your
eagnerness to bash mankind, you are missing the point completely. In fact,
animalkind maims and eats each other on a daily basis. So what's the
difference?

It was/is man who has never been able to maintain piece
with fellow man for any length of time.

Not long ago on America's Funniest Home Videos there was a video of a boy and
his father w/ their hamster outside and the little boy was admiring his pet
when an eagle swept down and took the hamster away (presumably to eat it). It
looked to me like the eagle stole from the boy and then murdered the poor
hamster and then cannibilized it! That wasn't very nice, now, was it?

If you have any grasp of any history of
the world, you would acknowledge that man has never united as one, rather,
man
has bickered with man since the beginning of .. man.

Yeah, it's called evil.

Man has been
responsible for the extinction of so many species of animals.

Don't forget about nature and other animals extincting other species! Don't
place all of the blame on "man".

Hitler had an army to round up Jews, "white" man had guns
and nearly wiped out the Native American..at least their culture...

Hitler was evil and Indians (oops, let's be politically correct here)...uh,
"Native Americans" actually I'm a Native American since I was born and raised
here in the US aren't completely blameless either. They went to war against
other tribes and raped and pillaged nature as well. You need to get off of
your high horse!

(GAUBSTER2) wrote in message ...
Just
how did the perfect mutation occur that allows for things such as our
senses,
immune system, etc?

Not "perfect" mutation, dear - multiple mutations which are then
preserved during selection.

So just how are these mutations "preserved during selection"? Is there some
force that "knows" when to keep the desirable traits and reject the undesirable
ones?

No, Dingleberry. Only the "fittest" of the species pass on their
genes - the mutations within those indiviuals are preserved and passed
along. It's called NATURAL SELECTION. The mutations are enriched in
subsequent generations, if they offer a benefit to the individuals
(and thus, the species).

You're asking an awful lot out of random events!

"You're" not "asking" anything of them - they just happen and are
passed on to future generations, or not, dependant upon whether they
are those which are selected for.

Sigh. Do you really think I have the time or inclination to explain
the theory of evolution to you? You really need to do some reading.

Here are some author's you really should look into: Darwin, Wallace,
Galton

Darwin's Primer:
http://www.literature.org/authors/da...s-6th-edition/

Once you have mastered that, these may be of greater interest:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...roduct-details

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...roduct-details

Run along, now...

-L.

(GAUBSTER2) wrote in message ...
Just
how did the perfect mutation occur that allows for things such as our
senses,
immune system, etc?

Not "perfect" mutation, dear - multiple mutations which are then
preserved during selection.

So just how are these mutations "preserved during selection"? Is there some
force that "knows" when to keep the desirable traits and reject the undesirable
ones?

No, Dingleberry. Only the "fittest" of the species pass on their
genes - the mutations within those indiviuals are preserved and passed
along. It's called NATURAL SELECTION. The mutations are enriched in
subsequent generations, if they offer a benefit to the individuals
(and thus, the species).

You're asking an awful lot out of random events!

"You're" not "asking" anything of them - they just happen and are
passed on to future generations, or not, dependant upon whether they
are those which are selected for.

Sigh. Do you really think I have the time or inclination to explain
the theory of evolution to you? You really need to do some reading.

Here are some author's you really should look into: Darwin, Wallace,
Galton

Darwin's Primer:
http://www.literature.org/authors/da...s-6th-edition/

Once you have mastered that, these may be of greater interest:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...roduct-details

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...roduct-details

Run along, now...

-L.