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"bigbadbarry" wrote in message oups.com... Phil P. wrote: To Rob: Ignore this advice. I'd be happy to debate this; but I will not participate in profanity and vulgar comments with you. That's the best I can do with idiotic assholes like you. Learn to live with it. I would think you'd be used to it. If you want to debate this on an intellectual level, then I challenge you to debate. Debate what, asshole- that you should never strike a cat? There's nothing to debate. You should never hit a cat- its as simple as that. |
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Phil P. wrote: Phil P. wrote: To Rob: Ignore this advice. I'd be happy to debate this; but I will not participate in profanity and vulgar comments with you. That's the best I can do with idiotic assholes like you. Learn to live with it. I would think you'd be used to it. If you want to debate this on an intellectual level, then I challenge you to debate. Debate what, asshole- that you should never strike a cat? There's nothing to debate. You should never hit a cat- its as simple as that. I'm done being vulgar in front of the Ladies, I was wrong for that. If this was a mens only club, you'd be blusing right now. First of all, you haven't read my post. Second YOUR STILL WRONG. Come back when you get some couth about yourself. If Brak was my cat? He would not taunt Zena anymore. I am the big cat in the house, I call the shots all the shots. Especially if my wife is fixing to get rid of a cat. This has been going on for 3 years, and the best you can come up with is... (well, like I said, I'm done being vulgar). but you offer no solutions... I wouldn't care if Brak was in a 5 foot square box...they are all going to get along, because I said so. I don't care if they don't like it, I don't care if they hate me, it matters not...they are going to get along. 3 years of Braks bad ass, and the best you can do is curse and abuse the man who has the winning answer.... BUST THE CATS ASS! |
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bigbadbarry wrote:
Phil P. wrote: Debate what, asshole- that you should never strike a cat? There's nothing to debate. You should never hit a cat- its as simple as that. Cats 'hit' each other and ... worse! ;^) Matter of fact, I have a short video showing a cat hitting a very small child! What about the Rights of children to never be attacked by a house cat? Hmmm? ;^) |
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"bigbadbarry" wrote in message ups.com... Phil P. wrote: Phil P. wrote: To Rob: Ignore this advice. I'd be happy to debate this; but I will not participate in profanity and vulgar comments with you. That's the best I can do with idiotic assholes like you. Learn to live with it. I would think you'd be used to it. If you want to debate this on an intellectual level, then I challenge you to debate. Debate what, asshole- that you should never strike a cat? There's nothing to debate. You should never hit a cat- its as simple as that. I'm done being vulgar in front of the Ladies, I was wrong for that. If this was a mens only club, you'd be blusing right now. I'm already LMAO at your utter stupidity. First of all, you haven't read my post. Second YOUR STILL WRONG. Come back when you get some couth about yourself. That's actually funny coming from a moron. LOL! If Brak was my cat? He would not taunt Zena anymore. I am the big cat in the house, I call the shots all the shots. So you're a paranoid control freak, too! I'd bet you got your ass kicked a lot in high school- probably still do! Especially if my wife is fixing to get rid of a cat. This has been going on for 3 years, and the best you can come up with is... (well, like I said, I'm done being vulgar). but you offer no solutions... I wouldn't care if Brak was in a 5 foot square box...they are all going to get along, because I said so. I don't care if they don't like it, I don't care if they hate me, it matters not...they are going to get along. 3 years of Braks bad ass, and the best you can do is curse and abuse the man who has the winning answer.... Winning answer? You're an absolute loser. You really don't know how stupid you really are, do you? Hitting a cat is inhumane. Also, the aggressor associates the punishment with the other cat- which can lead to attacks at the sight of the other cat and only increases the aggression. Hitting a cat also breaks down the cat-owner trust and bond--- not that you have a bond with your cat. BUST THE CATS ASS! Actually, I'm glad you gave this advice! I'm sure you've removed any doubts that anyone might have had that you're an utter moron. |
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"RobR" wrote in message news:Jm2qe.3843$qE2.1144@trndny09... We have four amazing indoor only cats, but over the past couple of years, one of them has really become a bully to one of our other cats. Here's our cat family: Brak - Male 18lb - 5y old (the bully) Warren (Braks brother) - Male 13lb - 5y old Kaya - Female - 7lb - 10mo Zena - Female - 10lb - 13y Brak is probably the best lap cat/people bather (except he can't sit still in your lap for more than 30 seconds at a time before he has to readjust), but he will NOT leave Zena alone. He traps her into corners and behind the big TV and bites at and wrestles her. She screams and yowls, she won't fight, she rolls over on her back which makes it even easier for Brak to assault her. Actually, this is a cat's strongest defensive position! If she spins on her back she can position Brak so his back feet land on the ground and not on her stomach and his head and shoulders will also hit the ground. He'll have to get up to re-attack. Then all she has to do is spin on her back again so her head is nearest to Brak with her rear paws ready to kick him off. She's now the wrong way around for Brak to attack. This whole move - (which is called 'wrong-footing') actually takes less than second. I've seen this move many times- especially in my feral colonies- its pure artistry to watch (as long as the attacker backs down). As you can see, he's almost twice her weight. Wife has had enough and had told me one of them has to go. We love them all, Brak and Warren were inseperable which is why we adopted them both (though they don't seem to be now, Brak jumps on him sometimes too and ****es him off). Zena is wife's cat from before our marriage. More living space might help the problem, but right now we simply don't have more space to give them. They're confined to the downstairs which gives them 3 rooms. Wife doesn't trust them upstairs (except Kaya) as they jump into baby's crib (Kaya is small enough to squeeze under the gate blocking off the upstairs). The plant sprayer doesn't deter Brak at all. He hates it but even after a year of squirting him, he won't change his behavior. When he had her trapped behind the TV the other day, he ignored my wife yelling at him because he knew she couldn't get to him physically. She had to find the water bottle and spray him to get him to leave Zena alone. I don't want to get rid of Brak or Zena, but I'm not sure what I can do to change Brak's behavior. Brak's behavior is not the problem- Zena is the instigator. She's wary of Brak and her wariness is probably provoking Brak and inducing the attacks. Punishing him is also inflamming the situation because he's associating the punishment with Zena's presence. What I think you should do is separate the cats behind a net or gates. Two, 22" and one 36" Gerry Gates will fit in a doorway from floor to top and still allow you to open and close the door without removing the gates. Here's what it looks like: http://www.maxshouse.com/introducing_cats.htm Feed the cats as far from the gates as possible for a few days. When you see the cats eating in peace and showing no fear or aggression, gradually move the food and water bowls closer to the gates every few days until the bowls are touching the gates and cats eat without the showing fear or aggression. Don't rush it or try to force or induce the cats to approach each other. The object of this plan is to make Zena feel comfortable in Brak's presence. When the cats approach each other through the gates and eat without showing any signs of fear or aggression for several *consecutive* days, you can remove the gates- but supervise the first few initial contacts. Have a blanket ready to throw just in case. Let me know how it goes. Best of luck, Phil |
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Phil P. wrote: Hitting a cat is inhumane. Cats are not human / my goodness I never used the word "Strike". However, we will play it your way and give cats a human role. Human mothers and father do spank thier children. (You still haven't read my post) Why would a body "hit" a body? Makes no sense. Just hit them; It's called love. when you love a child you discipline them. A father that does not correct his child has a ******* for a son. (all children need correction, they are born with a measure of foolishness bound up in thier hearts, it has to be driven from them) Also, the aggressor associates the punishment with the other cat - which can lead to attacks at the sight of the other cat and only increases the aggression. This is hearsay at best! However, we'll play it this way too... This is exactly what you want! ------------------------------ You want the bully to know the consequence of his action. I want him to associate getting his ass busted with bullying another cat. "lest he should forget". I want him to remember. Please do associate my action with that action (bullying). By all means, associate. Believe me, they quickly associate. Hitting a cat also breaks down the cat-owner trust and bond--- not that you have a bond with your cat. I don't "own" my cat no more than I might say, "own" a wife. You own a car, or a house, the only instance I know where one would claim to "own" where warm blood is involved would be in a slave situation. We are stewards, we are guardians not possessors. I do not say, that no animal can be owned, we're talking about cats. A breeder seeing his cat in terms of dollar signs may consider that he owns his cat; where the cat is viewed as an asset, or an object of proffit. If you had actually read my post you would at least know how I feel about this, and you would stop already with the street level tactic of insulting. This is a partnership, one of mutual respect. When your cat has no respect for you; it is not the cats fault; but more than likely just a sign of pure ol neglect, not spending any quality time with them, (among many other possible reasons). A corrective action should not be used; where there is lack of respect. However, a cat may respect you and still need a reminder but there is a distinct difference here, it seperates the abuser from the partner, it seperates the healthy relationship from the un-healthy relationship. What really breaks down trust and bond, is when a cat is allowed for example to do as he pleases, regardless of who he is effecting. Trust and bond are under girded with respect, respect has got to be first. The cat can depend on you for daily food - but this guarantees no respect. The only way to gain the respect of your cat is to do right by him. You can loose respect by playing favorites with your cats (they know when you do it). If I had a big brother bully me around and my guardian did nothing? I would loose respect for my parent or guardian. This is all basic and fundamental truth and practice. (reality in practice) You deepen the relationship, you prove your love, as a bonus you made some behavior modifications. It really is not fair to me to have to keep writing the same things; I suffer you once mo This is not an ongoing matter, this business of correcting. It is best to do this around 7-9 months (give or take) depending on the beast. And after this...you won't need to, the balance of the cats juvenille, young adult life can be handled with a look. Where there is mutual respect in a partnership...what can I say, this speaks for itself. When they are old they can do what they want, they don't have to mind anybody. |
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Phil P. wrote: Actually, this is a cat's strongest defensive position! If she spins on her back she can position Brak so his back feet land on the ground and not on her stomach and his head and shoulders will also hit the ground. He'll have to get up to re-attack. Then all she has to do is spin on her back again so her head is nearest to Brak with her rear paws ready to kick him off. She's now the wrong way around for Brak to attack. This whole move - (which is called 'wrong-footing') actually takes less than second. I've seen this move many times- especially in my feral colonies- its pure artistry to watch (as long as the attacker backs down). As you can see, he's almost twice her weight. Wife has had enough and had told me one of them has to go. We love them all, Brak and Warren were inseperable which is why we adopted them both (though they don't seem to be now, Brak jumps on him sometimes too and ****es him off). Zena is wife's cat from before our marriage. More living space might help the problem, but right now we simply don't have more space to give them. They're confined to the downstairs which gives them 3 rooms. Wife doesn't trust them upstairs (except Kaya) as they jump into baby's crib (Kaya is small enough to squeeze under the gate blocking off the upstairs). The plant sprayer doesn't deter Brak at all. He hates it but even after a year of squirting him, he won't change his behavior. When he had her trapped behind the TV the other day, he ignored my wife yelling at him because he knew she couldn't get to him physically. She had to find the water bottle and spray him to get him to leave Zena alone. I don't want to get rid of Brak or Zena, but I'm not sure what I can do to change Brak's behavior. Brak's behavior is not the problem- Zena is the instigator. She's wary of Brak and her wariness is probably provoking Brak and inducing the attacks. Punishing him is also inflamming the situation because he's associating the punishment with Zena's presence. What I think you should do is separate the cats behind a net or gates. Two, 22" and one 36" Gerry Gates will fit in a doorway from floor to top and still allow you to open and close the door without removing the gates. Here's what it looks like: http://www.maxshouse.com/introducing_cats.htm Feed the cats as far from the gates as possible for a few days. When you see the cats eating in peace and showing no fear or aggression, gradually move the food and water bowls closer to the gates every few days until the bowls are touching the gates and cats eat without the showing fear or aggression. Don't rush it or try to force or induce the cats to approach each other. The object of this plan is to make Zena feel comfortable in Brak's presence. When the cats approach each other through the gates and eat without showing any signs of fear or aggression for several *consecutive* days, you can remove the gates- but supervise the first few initial contacts. Have a blanket ready to throw just in case. Let me know how it goes. Best of luck, Phil or he could just bust that cats ass and be done with it. I've never heard of such rubbish. Me thinks your head is a little clogged with cat poo. |
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"bigbadbarry" wrote in message ups.com... Phil P. wrote: Hitting a cat is inhumane. Cats are not human / my goodness I never used the word "Strike". However, we will play it your way and give cats a human role. Inhumane = giving cats a human role? ROTFLMAO!!! You're not a moron; you're an imbecile! |
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"bigbadbarry" wrote in message ups.com... Phil P. wrote: Hitting a cat is inhumane. snip Hitting a cat also breaks down the cat-owner trust and bond--- not that you have a bond with your cat. snip I don't "own" my cat no more than I might say, "own" a wife. You own a car, or a house, the only instance I know where one would claim to "own" where warm blood is involved would be in a slave situation. We are stewards, we are guardians not possessors. I do not say, that no animal can be owned, we're talking about cats. A breeder seeing his cat in terms of dollar signs may consider that he owns his cat; where the cat is viewed as an asset, or an object of proffit. snip This is a partnership, one of mutual respect. When your cat has no respect for you; it is not the cats fault; but more than likely just a sign of pure ol neglect, not spending any quality time with them, (among many other possible reasons). A corrective action should not be used; where there is lack of respect. However, a cat may respect you and still need a reminder but there is a distinct difference here, it seperates the abuser from the partner, it seperates the healthy relationship from the un-healthy relationship. What really breaks down trust and bond, is when a cat is allowed for example to do as he pleases, regardless of who he is effecting. Trust and bond are under girded with respect, respect has got to be first. The cat can depend on you for daily food - but this guarantees no respect. The only way to gain the respect of your cat is to do right by him. You can loose respect by playing favorites with your cats (they know when you do it). If I had a big brother bully me around and my guardian did nothing? I would loose respect for my parent or guardian. This is all basic and fundamental truth and practice. (reality in practice) You deepen the relationship, you prove your love, as a bonus you made some behavior modifications. It really is not fair to me to have to keep writing the same things; I suffer you once mo This is not an ongoing matter, this business of correcting. It is best to do this around 7-9 months (give or take) depending on the beast. And after this...you won't need to, the balance of the cats juvenille, young adult life can be handled with a look. Where there is mutual respect in a partnership...what can I say, this speaks for itself. When they are old they can do what they want, they don't have to mind anybody. Excellent post, Barry. -- - Philip |
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Phil P. wrote: Inhumane = giving cats a human role? ROTFLMAO!!! Well you can get off the floor now By definition, the term carries the meaning, of Not Human, Not worthy of being a human. What the heck is so funny, get your ass off the floor boy, act like you got some damn sense about you, you embarrassing yourself. Can't take you no-where |
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