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enlightened us with... He had them all inc feline Leukaemia... That is overdoing it. His little immune system has to fight over everything at once. Most vaccines are not needed and some are actually not recommended. Many vaccines do not even prevent the cat from getting sick - they just lessen the severity. http://critterfixer.com/pages/feline.asp http://critterfixer.com/pages/v7_vac...mmend_cats.htm http://www.avma.org/vafstf/rbbroch.asp ------------------------------------------------- ~kaeli~ Press any key to continue or any other key to quit. Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk? http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace ------------------------------------------------- |
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"Alison Smiley Perera" wrote in message ... In article , "*~*SooZy*~*" wrote: The breeder I got my kitten from had used Nosode on the kittens, yesterday Moshi had his 1st injection at 18 weeks he is an indoor only kitten, weighs 5.12. we left it longer under my vets advice as he had been unwell 3 times, twice before we got him, mouth ulcers, lost the fur and whiskers from his face, had antibiotics, cleared up came back more antibiotics, cleared up, then we got him and some of you may of remember he got a shock we think! with a very high temp of 105 and she wanted to make sure he was well before given him his jabs. Well in the UK most vets use live vaccines, but after a lot of research I decided I wanted killed virus's, I believe if you don't ask for killed they automatically give live/modified. Killed virus vaccines have to have much stronger adjuvants, and despite that they don't induce as strong of immunity and have to be repeated in an initial series. One single modified-live distemper vaccine would undoubtedly have protected your cat for 7 years since it was given after he was old enough for his immune system to respond. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entre...ve&db=PubMed&l ist_uids=10328440&dopt=Abstract The only fear with modified-live vaccines is that they could revert to virulence. This risk is almost nonexistent with modern vaccines. He had them all inc feline Leukaemia... not Rabies as UK he was in good health, we got him home and he became really poorly, I rang the vets spoke to the receptionist (who did get the vet herself to call me back.) She explained that this sometimes happens in cats... but as long as he wasn't being sick, diarrhoea, then if so bring him in for an anti inflammatory jab, which he had before after shock. "Anti-inflammatory" is generally vet-speak for steroids which depress the immune system including the bits that create inflammation. So after challenging your cat's immune system with a vaccination, you promptly squelched his immune system with steroids ok I understand that. I'm confused. You have a holistically-oriented breeder who is using homeopathic nosodes in lieu of vaccination. well she only uses nosodes because she lost a litter of kitten when they were 8 weeks old of what they were vaccinated against Does your breeder have no other recommendations about vaccination and vaccination intervals, or better yet can't he/she recommend a holistic vet? she does not live near me, she buy the medication on line. From the description of all the ulcers and fevers this sounds like a cat that's going to require careful management for his whole life. If he were mine I wouldn't go about that management by beating into submission every symptom that crops up; rather I'd work with a holistic vet to get to the root of the problem. well all 3 of the kittens in that litter got the *infection* it was cleared up with a 5 day does of antibiotics, then a few days later it came back, so may it was just not cleared up in the first place. he was very lethargic, high temperature, got as high as 104 at one point, where ever you put him he didn't move :-( I was worried sick! gave him drips of water from syringe ever 30 mins and some kittyvite which I rubbed onto his gums. I checked the net and found this a common reaction..... during the night he started eating, playing and now he is in top form again. Thank god! I feel like I have been put through the mincer. I wanted people to know how vaccines can effect their cats... he has to go back in 3 weeks for the second lot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have read some people space the injections out over a few days? any ideas? suggestions VERY welcome... thanks in advanced Immunologically speaking, you'll get the best result if you give individual disease vaccines at two week intervals. Ok I will speak to my vet tomorrow about this, thank you for your suggestions Good luck, I'm glad your kitten got through his first vaccine reaction alright. I think I've heard the second is generally much worse once the system is sensitized. -Alison in OH |
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"Alison Smiley Perera" wrote in message ... In article , "*~*SooZy*~*" wrote: The breeder I got my kitten from had used Nosode on the kittens, yesterday Moshi had his 1st injection at 18 weeks he is an indoor only kitten, weighs 5.12. we left it longer under my vets advice as he had been unwell 3 times, twice before we got him, mouth ulcers, lost the fur and whiskers from his face, had antibiotics, cleared up came back more antibiotics, cleared up, then we got him and some of you may of remember he got a shock we think! with a very high temp of 105 and she wanted to make sure he was well before given him his jabs. Well in the UK most vets use live vaccines, but after a lot of research I decided I wanted killed virus's, I believe if you don't ask for killed they automatically give live/modified. Killed virus vaccines have to have much stronger adjuvants, and despite that they don't induce as strong of immunity and have to be repeated in an initial series. One single modified-live distemper vaccine would undoubtedly have protected your cat for 7 years since it was given after he was old enough for his immune system to respond. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entre...ve&db=PubMed&l ist_uids=10328440&dopt=Abstract The only fear with modified-live vaccines is that they could revert to virulence. This risk is almost nonexistent with modern vaccines. He had them all inc feline Leukaemia... not Rabies as UK he was in good health, we got him home and he became really poorly, I rang the vets spoke to the receptionist (who did get the vet herself to call me back.) She explained that this sometimes happens in cats... but as long as he wasn't being sick, diarrhoea, then if so bring him in for an anti inflammatory jab, which he had before after shock. "Anti-inflammatory" is generally vet-speak for steroids which depress the immune system including the bits that create inflammation. So after challenging your cat's immune system with a vaccination, you promptly squelched his immune system with steroids ok I understand that. I'm confused. You have a holistically-oriented breeder who is using homeopathic nosodes in lieu of vaccination. well she only uses nosodes because she lost a litter of kitten when they were 8 weeks old of what they were vaccinated against Does your breeder have no other recommendations about vaccination and vaccination intervals, or better yet can't he/she recommend a holistic vet? she does not live near me, she buy the medication on line. From the description of all the ulcers and fevers this sounds like a cat that's going to require careful management for his whole life. If he were mine I wouldn't go about that management by beating into submission every symptom that crops up; rather I'd work with a holistic vet to get to the root of the problem. well all 3 of the kittens in that litter got the *infection* it was cleared up with a 5 day does of antibiotics, then a few days later it came back, so may it was just not cleared up in the first place. he was very lethargic, high temperature, got as high as 104 at one point, where ever you put him he didn't move :-( I was worried sick! gave him drips of water from syringe ever 30 mins and some kittyvite which I rubbed onto his gums. I checked the net and found this a common reaction..... during the night he started eating, playing and now he is in top form again. Thank god! I feel like I have been put through the mincer. I wanted people to know how vaccines can effect their cats... he has to go back in 3 weeks for the second lot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have read some people space the injections out over a few days? any ideas? suggestions VERY welcome... thanks in advanced Immunologically speaking, you'll get the best result if you give individual disease vaccines at two week intervals. Ok I will speak to my vet tomorrow about this, thank you for your suggestions Good luck, I'm glad your kitten got through his first vaccine reaction alright. I think I've heard the second is generally much worse once the system is sensitized. -Alison in OH |
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~*SooZy*~ composed with style: now i really don't know if I should risk given him the second shots! One of mine isn't getting shots anymore, blessed by the vet. Though he is 11 years old and was mostly up to date before last year. I know that you're faced with a tough call since Moshi had a bad reaction but if I were you and he only had the first series, I'd definitely get the FVRCP booster. At 5 months he *should* only need one more booster. Maybe you can leave him at the vets for the day for it so they can keep an eye on him and give him a benedryl or something if he has a reaction? I wouldn't get the FeLV booster, but that's you and your vets call. But - he shouldn't get a jab if he is sick at the time. |
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In ,
~*SooZy*~ composed with style: now i really don't know if I should risk given him the second shots! One of mine isn't getting shots anymore, blessed by the vet. Though he is 11 years old and was mostly up to date before last year. I know that you're faced with a tough call since Moshi had a bad reaction but if I were you and he only had the first series, I'd definitely get the FVRCP booster. At 5 months he *should* only need one more booster. Maybe you can leave him at the vets for the day for it so they can keep an eye on him and give him a benedryl or something if he has a reaction? I wouldn't get the FeLV booster, but that's you and your vets call. But - he shouldn't get a jab if he is sick at the time. |
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"Cheryl" wrote in message ... In , ~*SooZy*~ composed with style: now i really don't know if I should risk given him the second shots! One of mine isn't getting shots anymore, blessed by the vet. Though he is 11 years old and was mostly up to date before last year. I know that you're faced with a tough call since Moshi had a bad reaction but if I were you and he only had the first series, I'd definitely get the FVRCP booster. At 5 months he *should* only need one more booster. Maybe you can leave him at the vets for the day for it so they can keep an eye on him and give him a benedryl or something if he has a reaction? I wouldn't get the FeLV booster, but that's you and your vets call. But - he shouldn't get a jab if he is sick at the time. Thanks Cheryl my partner said why don't you ask if he can be left at the vets for the day too, Moshi was in good health at the time of his injections, I think in my first post I made it look like he had been sick near to his injections... it was 9 weeks before. when I speak to her I will ask if I can leave him there. thanks for your good advice :-) |
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"Cheryl" wrote in message ... In , ~*SooZy*~ composed with style: now i really don't know if I should risk given him the second shots! One of mine isn't getting shots anymore, blessed by the vet. Though he is 11 years old and was mostly up to date before last year. I know that you're faced with a tough call since Moshi had a bad reaction but if I were you and he only had the first series, I'd definitely get the FVRCP booster. At 5 months he *should* only need one more booster. Maybe you can leave him at the vets for the day for it so they can keep an eye on him and give him a benedryl or something if he has a reaction? I wouldn't get the FeLV booster, but that's you and your vets call. But - he shouldn't get a jab if he is sick at the time. Thanks Cheryl my partner said why don't you ask if he can be left at the vets for the day too, Moshi was in good health at the time of his injections, I think in my first post I made it look like he had been sick near to his injections... it was 9 weeks before. when I speak to her I will ask if I can leave him there. thanks for your good advice :-) |
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Hi Soozy ,
I've read that boosters only need to be done every three years, if that .Kim gets a bit poorly after , she is also allergic and suffers from crystals . I'm seriously thinking of not having her done next year . The only problem is that if you need to use a cattery then you have to have up to date vaccinations . They are very strict about it . -- Alison Rescues. http://mysite.freeserve.com/AnimalRescueLinksUK/ Links to animal information websites http://mysite.freeserve.com/petinfolinks/ "~*SooZy*~" wrote in message ... what are people's view here on boosters every year? they say the truth is no-one is sure low long immunity could last in an individual cat, for each individual disease, using any one kind of vaccine. Recommendations are made on minimum period of immunity, rather than a possibly maximum. -- Luv'n'Stuff *~*SooZy*~* New Pictures added every few days http://community.webshots.com/user/ragdollcatsuk |
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Hi Soozy ,
I've read that boosters only need to be done every three years, if that .Kim gets a bit poorly after , she is also allergic and suffers from crystals . I'm seriously thinking of not having her done next year . The only problem is that if you need to use a cattery then you have to have up to date vaccinations . They are very strict about it . -- Alison Rescues. http://mysite.freeserve.com/AnimalRescueLinksUK/ Links to animal information websites http://mysite.freeserve.com/petinfolinks/ "~*SooZy*~" wrote in message ... what are people's view here on boosters every year? they say the truth is no-one is sure low long immunity could last in an individual cat, for each individual disease, using any one kind of vaccine. Recommendations are made on minimum period of immunity, rather than a possibly maximum. -- Luv'n'Stuff *~*SooZy*~* New Pictures added every few days http://community.webshots.com/user/ragdollcatsuk |
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Hi Sooz, you got some great replies to this thread but I wanted to add
something. My Yo had a bad reaction to vaccinations three years ago. Since then, with the others, here's the method I've adopted, 1) Don't let the vet give them all the vaccinations at once. I space them out three weeks apart. 2) I always take them early in the morning. That way, if there's a problem, the vet is still going to be open in the afternoon. We don't have a dependable after-hours system here. It's very frustrating. Sherry |
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