Nuetering

Orchid wrote:

"In the University of Florida study (Stubbs et al, 1996),
urethral pressure profilometry revealed no adverse effects on urethral
function in cats from early altering. Urethral diameters were similar
in the cats of all 3 groups. The penis could be fully extruded in all
neutered cats in this study. The external genitalia of male and female
cats ...

Female cats have *external* genitalia? This study already looks suspect.

kaeli wrote:
In article ,
enlightened us with...
"The longterm significance of incomplete penile
extrusion is unknown."
(http://www.catvet.homestead.com/EarlyAlter3.html)


See, that bugs me a little.
But the diameter is the most important thing, right?

As long as the diameter is the same with early alters, it shouldn't
affect blockages.
Do altered males ever get erections, anyway?

Yes. Rusty would sometimes make a point of showing his ability to "get it
up" in front of visitors even in his last year of life. LOL Rusty was not
neutered until 9 months.

Brad wrote:
On 2 May 2005 08:48:15 -0700, "-L." wrote:


Brad wrote:
I didn't do a search on this particular topic because I wanted the
most up to date information. I will be calling some professionals
also but I wanted to hear your comments on what age to fix a male
kitten. My breeder is willing to keep him (my Siberian kitten) and
have him nuetered for me but it means him keeping him another two
months and I don't really want to give up that time with him.

I have been picking up bits and pieces about some vets claiming that
earlier nuetering is less traumatic for the kitten. Anyone heard
anything about that. I am worried about caring for him aftre the
surgery how to keep him from running around and injuring himself.

I had my Golden Retriever done but by the time he was done he was
already pretty well trained and a bit easier to handle that I think
the kitten will be.

Thanks in advance


Brad

LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A
WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN
OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!"



Don't let them keep the kitten another 2 months. I worked for a
high-volume feline specialty hospital and we did early spay/neuter
all the time. There are tons of research papers indicating it is
absolutley safe. Your kitty has to be two pounds, though, (for
anesthesia) so that usually means at least 8-10 weeks old. Call
around and find a vet that will do it for you. Have the breeder
drop him off and you can pick him up.

good luck,
-L.

I should have mentioned that the breeder is in Oklahoma and I am in
Wisconsin. Philip I think it was you who mentioned waiting until he
shows signs of wanting to mate what are the odds of him spraying
before yowling which obviously I would like to keep away from.

Brad

Rusty was taught early the consequences of going outside the box. He was
using the box as soon as he could climb over the edge to get into the box
.... 5 weeks.

In article . net, 1chip-
enlightened us with...
Orchid wrote:

"In the University of Florida study (Stubbs et al, 1996),
urethral pressure profilometry revealed no adverse effects on urethral
function in cats from early altering. Urethral diameters were similar
in the cats of all 3 groups. The penis could be fully extruded in all
neutered cats in this study. The external genitalia of male and female
cats ...

Female cats have *external* genitalia?

Well, female humans do -- the vulva. Is that the same term for feline
anatomy?

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"Brad" wrote in message
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I didn't do a search on this particular topic because I wanted the
most up to date information. I will be calling some professionals also
but I wanted to hear your comments on what age to fix a male kitten.

8-12 weeks.

There are more than 30 years of research and studies documenting the safety
and advantages of early-age neutering. Here're a few:


http://arbl.cvmbs.colostate.edu/hboo...pop/early.html

http://www.cvm.uiuc.edu/ope/ivb/spay-neu.htm

http://www.catvet.homestead.com/EarlyAlter.html

http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/repo...ly-neuter.html

http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/heal...ay-neuter.html

http://cats.about.com/cs/spayneuter/a/earlyneuter.htm

http://www.cfhs.ca/Programs/HumaneEd...Spay/index.htm

http://www.netcat.org/symposium/early-neuter-spay.html

http://www.bestfriends.org/nmhp/reso...spayneuter.htm

kaeli wrote:
In article . net,
1chip- enlightened us with...
Orchid wrote:

"In the University of Florida study (Stubbs et al, 1996),
urethral pressure profilometry revealed no adverse effects on
urethral function in cats from early altering. Urethral diameters
were similar in the cats of all 3 groups. The penis could be fully
extruded in all neutered cats in this study. The external genitalia
of male and female cats ...

Female cats have *external* genitalia?

Well, female humans do -- the vulva. Is that the same term for feline
anatomy?

Forgive me but, I haven't seen one of those is a while either. Wife doesn't
show it off like she used to.

Phil P. wrote:

There are more than 30 years of research and studies documenting the
safety
and advantages of early-age neutering. Here're a few:


http://arbl.cvmbs.colostate.edu/hboo...pop/early.html

http://www.cvm.uiuc.edu/ope/ivb/spay-neu.htm

http://www.catvet.homestead.com/EarlyAlter.html

http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/repo...ly-neuter.html

http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/heal...ay-neuter.html

http://cats.about.com/cs/spayneuter/a/earlyneuter.htm

http://www.cfhs.ca/Programs/HumaneEd...Spay/index.htm

http://www.netcat.org/symposium/early-neuter-spay.html

http://www.bestfriends.org/nmhp/reso...spayneuter.htm


Great. Now how about posting an equal number of arguments against the
practice of early alteration.

"Philip" wrote in message
ink.net...
Phil P. wrote:

There are more than 30 years of research and studies documenting the
safety
and advantages of early-age neutering. Here're a few:


http://arbl.cvmbs.colostate.edu/hboo...pop/early.html

http://www.cvm.uiuc.edu/ope/ivb/spay-neu.htm

http://www.catvet.homestead.com/EarlyAlter.html

http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/repo...ly-neuter.html

http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/heal...ay-neuter.html

http://cats.about.com/cs/spayneuter/a/earlyneuter.htm


http://www.cfhs.ca/Programs/HumaneEd...Spay/index.htm

http://www.netcat.org/symposium/early-neuter-spay.html

http://www.bestfriends.org/nmhp/reso...spayneuter.htm


Great. Now how about posting an equal number of arguments against the
practice of early alteration.

There aren't any. All the myths and concerns about early-age neutering have
been debunked and refuted by 35 years of studies and clinical practice.
Many vets oppose early-age neutering simply because of their unfamiliarity
with surgery and anesthesia on pediatric cats (and dogs). EAN wasn't taught
in vet schools until fairly recently- even though its been practiced for 35
years on cats and dogs and for 50 years on farm animals. Also, some people
are just plain squeamish about surgery on young kittens. A more rational
explanation for their opposition just doesn't exist.

"Philip" wrote in message
ink.net...
Orchid wrote:

"In the University of Florida study (Stubbs et al, 1996),
urethral pressure profilometry revealed no adverse effects on urethral
function in cats from early altering. Urethral diameters were similar
in the cats of all 3 groups. The penis could be fully extruded in all
neutered cats in this study. The external genitalia of male and female
cats ...

Female cats have *external* genitalia? This study already looks suspect.



Pssst .... Phillip .... your wife does too!

On Mon, 2 May 2005 12:57:19 -0500, kaeli
wrote:

In article ,
enlightened us with...
"The longterm significance of incomplete penile
extrusion is unknown."
(http://www.catvet.homestead.com/EarlyAlter3.html)


See, that bugs me a little.

However, you'll note that the majority of cats altered at the
'traditional' age had incomplete extrusion as well. One could
reasonably make the assumption that if there was a longterm
significance, we'd have seen it already.

But the diameter is the most important thing, right?

Yes. And that's what anti-ESN people say is affected.


Do altered males ever get erections, anyway?

Yes, cats do masturbate. And they also 'unsheathe' for
cleaning.

I can't see there being an issue
with that, and if there is, I can't see it affecting the UT much. Maybe
another health issue, but not the UT blockages I was thinking about.

I agree.



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