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November 2nd 04, 12:05 AM
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November 2nd 04, 02:45 AM
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On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 15:31:33 -0800, EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
wrote: Also, whether this cat is owned or not, he should be neutered right away, especially if you plan on integrating him in with your resident cats. You must enjoy being hit with lawsuits! Whether you approve or not, some people actually BREED Siamese and other pedigreed cats, and might take a dim view of some officious busy-body neutering a cat that was not theirs to make such a decision about. There is no proof that (a) the cat is purebred, and (b) intended for breeding. Even if someone shows up for the cat and claims as much, proving it is going to be a huge embarrasment when word gets back to the fancier org that issued the registration papers... MMJ could fall for buff and bluster, but the fact is, this boy is just another lost cat, pure and simple. And so it's up to MMJ to take care of him. The collar didn't even have a phone number on it. MMJ's good sense has priority. I agree with Megan.
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November 2nd 04, 02:45 AM
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On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 15:31:33 -0800, EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
wrote: Also, whether this cat is owned or not, he should be neutered right away, especially if you plan on integrating him in with your resident cats. You must enjoy being hit with lawsuits! Whether you approve or not, some people actually BREED Siamese and other pedigreed cats, and might take a dim view of some officious busy-body neutering a cat that was not theirs to make such a decision about. There is no proof that (a) the cat is purebred, and (b) intended for breeding. Even if someone shows up for the cat and claims as much, proving it is going to be a huge embarrasment when word gets back to the fancier org that issued the registration papers... MMJ could fall for buff and bluster, but the fact is, this boy is just another lost cat, pure and simple. And so it's up to MMJ to take care of him. The collar didn't even have a phone number on it. MMJ's good sense has priority. I agree with Megan.
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November 2nd 04, 05:40 AM
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"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
You must enjoy being hit with lawsuits! Whether you approve No lawsuit related to this would fly though. The facts are a cat outside, intact, and outgrowing its collar! Whether or not the original owner inadvertently lost this cat, the fact is the cat was outside, causing potential harm to other people's property and pets; thus the original owners could be liable for far more damages than that of receiving their cat back neutered. Don't let a misplaced fear of lawsuits prevent anyone from doing the right thing when saving some poor cat.
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November 2nd 04, 05:40 AM
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"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
You must enjoy being hit with lawsuits! Whether you approve No lawsuit related to this would fly though. The facts are a cat outside, intact, and outgrowing its collar! Whether or not the original owner inadvertently lost this cat, the fact is the cat was outside, causing potential harm to other people's property and pets; thus the original owners could be liable for far more damages than that of receiving their cat back neutered. Don't let a misplaced fear of lawsuits prevent anyone from doing the right thing when saving some poor cat.
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November 2nd 04, 07:06 AM
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Evelyn wrote:
You must enjoy being hit with lawsuits! I've been neutering strays for over 25 years and it hasn't happened yet. Whether you approve or not, some people actually BREED Siamese and other pedigreed cats, and might take a dim view of some officious busy-body neutering a cat that was not theirs to make such a decision about. I feel very sorry for you that in your ignorance you think someone that is concerned about a neglected stray and the overpopulation problem is an "officious busy-body" for doing the right thing and neutering. It's also sad that you are so obtuse you think this cat could come from breeding stock. It is obvious it doesn't. I agree the too tight collar might be a clue that the cat was on its own, but until you are certain the owners are not looking for him, you have no legal right to interfere with their property in such a way. You're wrong. In many areas you have a right to trap any cat that comes on your property and do with it as you wish. A cat with no ID tag or microchip is also considered a "stray" in most cities and even if a "holding period" is required, there is no law against neutering it. If the neglectful owner shows up later, too bad. They don't have a leg to stand on. Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray
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November 2nd 04, 07:06 AM
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Evelyn wrote:
You must enjoy being hit with lawsuits! I've been neutering strays for over 25 years and it hasn't happened yet. Whether you approve or not, some people actually BREED Siamese and other pedigreed cats, and might take a dim view of some officious busy-body neutering a cat that was not theirs to make such a decision about. I feel very sorry for you that in your ignorance you think someone that is concerned about a neglected stray and the overpopulation problem is an "officious busy-body" for doing the right thing and neutering. It's also sad that you are so obtuse you think this cat could come from breeding stock. It is obvious it doesn't. I agree the too tight collar might be a clue that the cat was on its own, but until you are certain the owners are not looking for him, you have no legal right to interfere with their property in such a way. You're wrong. In many areas you have a right to trap any cat that comes on your property and do with it as you wish. A cat with no ID tag or microchip is also considered a "stray" in most cities and even if a "holding period" is required, there is no law against neutering it. If the neglectful owner shows up later, too bad. They don't have a leg to stand on. Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray
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November 2nd 04, 12:15 PM
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He sounds beautiful,If his slaves dont turn up in a week or so
I would say they can't really be looking for him so I give you to him as his slave,ok? but I wouldn't risk fixing him for a while as his family may be wanting to breed from him and then they might try and sue if they do come for him, also if they do come, lean on them a bit and say he was almost choking with the collar. Jean.P. good luck Magic Mood Jeep© wrote in message news:f2Xgd.279021$wV.95905@attbi_s54... DH & I did some major grocery (and other supply) shopping this morning. As soon as we got all perishables put away in the fridge/freezer, we heard this terrible cat yeowling. Looked for our Seven - Only one missing was Weeble - he was in the closet, and wanted out. All kitties accounted for. More yeowling. We think MamaKat! Is she hurt, in a fight....? We exit the house, and part, each going a different way, in order to circle the house quicker. Nothing - not even a wascally wabbit or screwy skwerl. Check the road near the house for an injured critter - nada. Go back inside and get ready to do the tile on the enclosed back porch (it did have this gawd-awful 60's psychedelic green floral disgustingly cheap carpet down, that I've hated since we moved in 10 years ago - we finally pulled it up last weekend to find that A} the padding had disintegrated into a fine Martian powder and B} there was equally disgusting green & white LINOLEUM tile underneath that! We removed that too, got down to the bare cement). More yeowling followed. We think: Basement???? Something came in through the d*ggie-door!!! Grab a broom & a flashlight (torch for you over to the east of the pond) and go down to the dimly lit basement. Yeowl.... yeowl.... yeowl... DH heads for the farthest away from the stairs, but my ears have already tuned in & I head to the left. From behind the furnace comes a Siamese kitty - tan with very dark brown (almost black) ears, feet & tail. Wearing a collar - a chintzy flea collar (and not the breakaway kind) - that's too tight. Not very old (about a year), and kinda thin. DH doesn't want me to carry it (actually an intact him), but I have a hold of it, I take flashlight with one hand, and he reaches for cat, I then take the broom & he scoops up kitty. He's skittish, but not fighting us either. I lead DH up the stairs, sweeping dog away from him & kitty, then sweeping seven cats away, to the enclosed front porch. I go get a dish of food (the cheap stuff we feed the strays) and a dish of water. There's still an old litterbox up front (was Weeble & FF's first *real* litterbox), so I go put some in it and bring it back. By this time, DH has cut the too-tight collar off the kitty, and has started calling him "Ping" - not sure if that's his name, but he seems to respond to it. Of course, he's Siamese, so he responds to ANY vocalization he thinks is made to him with more of his yeowling. We have a spare dose of Frontline Plus, so he gets that on him - takes it without any struggle. By this time I'm able to take a breath and watch him for a minute - he's chowing down on the food (dry with a couple pouches of moist on top) and yeowling at the same time... it's a funny sound, like he's drowning. So, I have posted on the local Humane Society's website about him (we took a few quick pics), and have made up a flier to post around nearby & also at the Humane Society and probably at a couple of vet's offices nearby. Purrs please that we find his slaves... but I'm sorta hoping we don't, for if they let him loose with a too-tight collar, or just let him go long enough for the collar to get that tight, maybe it's best that he stays here? That would make our count an even eight. How long does one wait for his slaves to claim??? He needs to be vetted, and since he's not neutered.... do we have him neutered anyway??? What if the 'owners' try to sue because we had him neutered - do they have any claim???? Any info on this would be greatly helpful. BTW - piccies posted on alt.binaries.pictures.animals. --? The ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)© email me at nalee1964 (at) insightbb (dot) com http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep
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November 2nd 04, 12:15 PM
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He sounds beautiful,If his slaves dont turn up in a week or so
I would say they can't really be looking for him so I give you to him as his slave,ok? but I wouldn't risk fixing him for a while as his family may be wanting to breed from him and then they might try and sue if they do come for him, also if they do come, lean on them a bit and say he was almost choking with the collar. Jean.P. good luck Magic Mood Jeep© wrote in message news:f2Xgd.279021$wV.95905@attbi_s54... DH & I did some major grocery (and other supply) shopping this morning. As soon as we got all perishables put away in the fridge/freezer, we heard this terrible cat yeowling. Looked for our Seven - Only one missing was Weeble - he was in the closet, and wanted out. All kitties accounted for. More yeowling. We think MamaKat! Is she hurt, in a fight....? We exit the house, and part, each going a different way, in order to circle the house quicker. Nothing - not even a wascally wabbit or screwy skwerl. Check the road near the house for an injured critter - nada. Go back inside and get ready to do the tile on the enclosed back porch (it did have this gawd-awful 60's psychedelic green floral disgustingly cheap carpet down, that I've hated since we moved in 10 years ago - we finally pulled it up last weekend to find that A} the padding had disintegrated into a fine Martian powder and B} there was equally disgusting green & white LINOLEUM tile underneath that! We removed that too, got down to the bare cement). More yeowling followed. We think: Basement???? Something came in through the d*ggie-door!!! Grab a broom & a flashlight (torch for you over to the east of the pond) and go down to the dimly lit basement. Yeowl.... yeowl.... yeowl... DH heads for the farthest away from the stairs, but my ears have already tuned in & I head to the left. From behind the furnace comes a Siamese kitty - tan with very dark brown (almost black) ears, feet & tail. Wearing a collar - a chintzy flea collar (and not the breakaway kind) - that's too tight. Not very old (about a year), and kinda thin. DH doesn't want me to carry it (actually an intact him), but I have a hold of it, I take flashlight with one hand, and he reaches for cat, I then take the broom & he scoops up kitty. He's skittish, but not fighting us either. I lead DH up the stairs, sweeping dog away from him & kitty, then sweeping seven cats away, to the enclosed front porch. I go get a dish of food (the cheap stuff we feed the strays) and a dish of water. There's still an old litterbox up front (was Weeble & FF's first *real* litterbox), so I go put some in it and bring it back. By this time, DH has cut the too-tight collar off the kitty, and has started calling him "Ping" - not sure if that's his name, but he seems to respond to it. Of course, he's Siamese, so he responds to ANY vocalization he thinks is made to him with more of his yeowling. We have a spare dose of Frontline Plus, so he gets that on him - takes it without any struggle. By this time I'm able to take a breath and watch him for a minute - he's chowing down on the food (dry with a couple pouches of moist on top) and yeowling at the same time... it's a funny sound, like he's drowning. So, I have posted on the local Humane Society's website about him (we took a few quick pics), and have made up a flier to post around nearby & also at the Humane Society and probably at a couple of vet's offices nearby. Purrs please that we find his slaves... but I'm sorta hoping we don't, for if they let him loose with a too-tight collar, or just let him go long enough for the collar to get that tight, maybe it's best that he stays here? That would make our count an even eight. How long does one wait for his slaves to claim??? He needs to be vetted, and since he's not neutered.... do we have him neutered anyway??? What if the 'owners' try to sue because we had him neutered - do they have any claim???? Any info on this would be greatly helpful. BTW - piccies posted on alt.binaries.pictures.animals. --? The ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)© email me at nalee1964 (at) insightbb (dot) com http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep
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November 2nd 04, 12:40 PM
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Dear Zuzu,
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