I am alive and still kicking

I don't want to get into a fight either, but what Matthew says about
'not knowing when you're full' is a real condition, I have it too, and
I am sick to death of people saying "Why don't you just stop eating
when your body tells you to?" My body won't tell me to stop until my
stomach is so full that it's painful. I've only stopped eating because
I'm 'full' after a huge Christmas dinner.

I'm also tired of the theory that if everyone eats the same food and
gets the same exercise, they'll be the same weight. It's rubbish. We
are not mechanical, factory built, standardised engines. People have
different gut bacteria, differences in intestine length (natural
differences, not surgical), differences in metabolic efficiencies, and
all of them contribute to the fact that some people can eat
'healthily', get exercise, and still pile the pounds on. I'm semi-
vegan, I have a meal with cheese in it twice a week, I eat a couple of
slices of toast for breakfast, a nice lunch, and then that's it,
unless I get really hungry and have a handful of nuts in the evening
so that the hunger pangs will shut up enough to let me sleep. I don't
drink, can't remember the last time I had a dessert, and I'm twice the
weight I should be and only just holding steady on this regime.
Please, remember, what works for you might not work for other people.
On the other side of the coin, I've got a friend who isn't very mobile
because of arthritis, so doesn't get much exercise, she eats almost
constantly, downs a bottle of wine a day, and has never weighed more
than seven stone in her entire life.

Jack Campin - bogus address wrote:

Why not focus on living a healthy lifestyle, rather than on the scale or
the measuring tape? I think we'd all be healthier if we learned to eat
more healthy food, to stop eating when we're full, and to get plenty
of exercise.

The idea that genes completely explain obesity doesn't make any sense.
The people who are obese in our generation are descended from people
in earlier generations who weren't obese. The genes haven't changed,
the culture has.

I don't understand how your comment is a response to what I said above.
I didn't say anything about genes. I said that it makes more sense to
focus on healthy living than on weight.

Joyce

--
I care not for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better
for it. -- Abraham Lincoln

NettieCat wrote:

I don't want to get into a fight either, but what Matthew says about
'not knowing when you're full' is a real condition, I have it too, and
I am sick to death of people saying "Why don't you just stop eating
when your body tells you to?" My body won't tell me to stop until my
stomach is so full that it's painful. I've only stopped eating because
I'm 'full' after a huge Christmas dinner.

I'm also tired of the theory that if everyone eats the same food and
gets the same exercise, they'll be the same weight. It's rubbish. We
are not mechanical, factory built, standardised engines. People have
different gut bacteria, differences in intestine length (natural
differences, not surgical), differences in metabolic efficiencies, and
all of them contribute to the fact that some people can eat
'healthily', get exercise, and still pile the pounds on. I'm semi-
vegan, I have a meal with cheese in it twice a week, I eat a couple of
slices of toast for breakfast, a nice lunch, and then that's it,
unless I get really hungry and have a handful of nuts in the evening
so that the hunger pangs will shut up enough to let me sleep. I don't
drink, can't remember the last time I had a dessert, and I'm twice the
weight I should be and only just holding steady on this regime.
Please, remember, what works for you might not work for other people.
On the other side of the coin, I've got a friend who isn't very mobile
because of arthritis, so doesn't get much exercise, she eats almost
constantly, downs a bottle of wine a day, and has never weighed more
than seven stone in her entire life.

Thanks, Nettie. I couldn't agree with you more. We're *not* made to
factory standards. Everyone's case is different.

But really, what I can't stand is all the moralizing and judgement.
Regardless of what one's opinion is on fat and health, there's never
a place for contempt or prejudice toward someone whose body doesn't
fit your standard of health. A person's body weight is not a moral
issue. It *just isn't*.

Joyce


--
I care not for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better
for it. -- Abraham Lincoln

Why not focus on living a healthy lifestyle, rather than on the scale or
the measuring tape? I think we'd all be healthier if we learned to eat
more healthy food, to stop eating when we're full, and to get plenty
of exercise.
The idea that genes completely explain obesity doesn't make any sense.
The people who are obese in our generation are descended from people
in earlier generations who weren't obese. The genes haven't changed,
the culture has.
I don't understand how your comment is a response to what I said above.
I didn't say anything about genes. I said that it makes more sense to
focus on healthy living than on weight.

The cultural changes I was talking about were moves away from healthy
living. People didn't work down coal mines and peel potatoes by hand
as a weight reduction plan, but levels of activity like that did have
that effect.

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Jack Campin - bogus address wrote:

I don't understand how your comment is a response to what I said above.
I didn't say anything about genes. I said that it makes more sense to
focus on healthy living than on weight.

The cultural changes I was talking about were moves away from healthy
living. People didn't work down coal mines and peel potatoes by hand
as a weight reduction plan, but levels of activity like that did have
that effect.

And working in coal mines is a good example of "healthy living"?? Jack,
that takes the focus on losing weight, at the expense of health, to new
heights of absurdity. It's kind of like the "cancer diet": you might be
all rotted inside, but at least you're thin!

I get your point - modern conveniences allow us to conserve a lot more
energy, and that equals weight gained for those who don't burn it off
easily. But your example just makes it clear how much people think that
"weight loss" = health. They are far from synonymous.

Joyce

--
I care not for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better
for it. -- Abraham Lincoln

wrote in message
...
Thanks, Nettie. I couldn't agree with you more. We're *not* made
to
factory standards. Everyone's case is different.

But really, what I can't stand is all the moralizing and
judgement.
Regardless of what one's opinion is on fat and health, there's
never
a place for contempt or prejudice toward someone whose body
doesn't
fit your standard of health. A person's body weight is not a moral
issue. It *just isn't*.

Joyce


That should be just plain common sense. But in the current
judgmental climate it isn't, its profound.

Jo

i think this i the reason that weight watcher works for me. i tried their
core program with a disaster happening, the main component of that is you
eat from a specific list and stop when you are satisfied... after four weeks
i figured out if i knew when i was full i wouldn't be overweight... i went
back to the points and am doing fine. the points system is like an external
monitor of what i have eaten so i in no way depend on what my body tells me.
it did take a bit for me to get used to and i did gain at first, i was used
to eating so little that my body was in starvation mode so it took a bit to
get my body used to more food... its an option you might consider. Lee

--
Have a wonderful day

"NettieCat" wrote in message
...
I don't want to get into a fight either, but what Matthew says about
'not knowing when you're full' is a real condition, I have it too, and
I am sick to death of people saying "Why don't you just stop eating
when your body tells you to?" My body won't tell me to stop until my
stomach is so full that it's painful. I've only stopped eating because
I'm 'full' after a huge Christmas dinner.

I'm also tired of the theory that if everyone eats the same food and
gets the same exercise, they'll be the same weight. It's rubbish. We
are not mechanical, factory built, standardised engines. People have
different gut bacteria, differences in intestine length (natural
differences, not surgical), differences in metabolic efficiencies, and
all of them contribute to the fact that some people can eat
'healthily', get exercise, and still pile the pounds on. I'm semi-
vegan, I have a meal with cheese in it twice a week, I eat a couple of
slices of toast for breakfast, a nice lunch, and then that's it,
unless I get really hungry and have a handful of nuts in the evening
so that the hunger pangs will shut up enough to let me sleep. I don't
drink, can't remember the last time I had a dessert, and I'm twice the
weight I should be and only just holding steady on this regime.
Please, remember, what works for you might not work for other people.
On the other side of the coin, I've got a friend who isn't very mobile
because of arthritis, so doesn't get much exercise, she eats almost
constantly, downs a bottle of wine a day, and has never weighed more
than seven stone in her entire life.

Matthew wrote:
First it is not bypass did anyone look and read what I was talking about
www.lapband.com
Also did anyone actually take the time to see what I actually said or look
at the website

http://www.lapband.com/get_informed/...izeband/#chart


Second NO FIGHTING between anyone PLEASE. If you want drama go over to some
of the other cat groups we get enough trolls there to have fun with. I am
almost sorry I even shared my good news right now


One I am not starving myself

Two I am eating healthy

Three I CAN'T keep the weight off I am not even going to look up how to
spell the condition. Beside the medications that keep me functioning. I
also am lacking the chemical that normal people have to tell their body that
they are full and what to do with the calories intake. This has been
diagnnosed and is finally recongizied that many many many obese pople have
this and CAN'T HELP THEMSELVES. My calorie intake is about 2000 calories a
day I also go to the gym at least 3 times a week with a trainer. This is
have been a long battle that I am losing. It is breaking me down slowly
both mentally and physically. It hurts to think about all I have lost and
can loss unless I considered drastic change and maybe a radical change.

MY sugars are holding at 104 my tri are in normal range My cholesterol
is so good that my doctor said it is too good and my bad cholesterol is way
to low. I am actually feeling better. My kidneys don't bother me as much
right now. So far holding off needing insulin shots

I thank you for your worries but this is also help in all ways from
mental to physical. Look at it from my point not your experience. I could
care less what people think when they see me. They don't like what they see
I tell them to start kissing one of my fat ass cheeks and keep on going till
they get to the Hershey center. I am doing this for my health and to stay
around for my Mom and fur balls.

Think about it from my point. I can live longer actually go by
regular clothes maybe find a better job with out having to worry how it
will effect and affect my life. I want to go out biking, horse back riding
again with out killingthe horse or breakingthe bike ;-). Hell I want to go
skydiving again and get on a roller coaster but my weight is a major issue.
I have tried If you have never been with issues like this please don't
assume that one can just lose by eating smaller portions. DISCIPLINE has
nothing to do with it. I have the discipline. I quit smoking and drink at
the same time 13 years ago. I have never had either since. I don't go sit
at McDonald and eat the fast food all day. If I do go out for fast food I
have a honey oat wheat sub turkey breast with Swiss with all the veggies no
mayo a little mustard and black pepper from subway with a diet coke or I get
a grilled chicken salad from steak and shake if subway is closed.
Everywhere you look all it is Food Food Food. I know I damn sure feel
sometimes like pulling a chair up to a all you can eat place and going at
it. I know if I do it will make me sick as a dog if I do and will make me
feel like **** in the morning


Let me repeat what I wrote to a response to Tweed.

"That is the old stomach surgery. The one I am trying to get uses a band
that is saline filled that wraps around the top part of the stomach where it
connects to the esophagus not cutting of the stomach check it out
http://www.lapband.com/ the new part of the surgeries is all micro
incisions. You go home the next day and back to work in about 2 weeks.

My problem is like a lot of obese people I have been tested and I lack the
chemical that is produced that tells me I am full.
I eat healthy but I can't not try to pronounce or type out the condition it
is but I just can't lose the weight. The weight loss medication makes me
sick as a dog and screws with my sugar levels badly.

I know it is not an instant fix If it was I would never do it. I learned my
life lesson along time ago if it was easy to do than how do you feel
accomplished. It is a way of life it gets you used to the benefits are
that people that have it most with in the first year become non diabetic,
sleep apnea goes away. If you have high blood pressure it goes down. Plus
many more benefits. There is a lot of steps to go through like 6 to 8
months of weight and stress management. Therapy and evaluations to go
through. 99% of obese people who try to lose weight fail on their own.
Besides the surgery this gets you in the frame of mind to get the job done
and 40% of the people end up not needing the surgery. I am hoping I can be
one of the 40% if not I know I need help and I want help "


Old saying: Where there's a will, there's a way.
You certainly have the will, so purrs that you find the way. Best
wishes. MLB

Top posting because this NettieCat covers my own thoughts and opinions on
this subject.

First of all, I also have the same (don't know when full) condition as Matt
does. Mine is partly genetic and partly from being force fed as a child.
Nothing was ever permitted to remain on the plate at the end of a meal and
my father dished up the food, not us. One tends to lose one's ability to
cry quits when never allowed to when young. I raised my kids that they
served them selves and all I asked was that they try a bite of anything that
they didn't like, as tastes change over the years.

Secondly, I've found out that I actually lose a little weight if I don't
think about my diet. I am not obsessing about food. I get tired of people
like Tweed saying that all one needs to do is change their intake. It isn't
that blasted easy. I wish it were. As one's body is getting fewer
nutrients, it will actually start hoarding and storing all the calories it
can. That is one of the reasons that one is warned about those periods
without weight loss.

Pam S.

"NettieCat" wrote in message
...
I don't want to get into a fight either, but what Matthew says about
'not knowing when you're full' is a real condition, I have it too, and
I am sick to death of people saying "Why don't you just stop eating
when your body tells you to?" My body won't tell me to stop until my
stomach is so full that it's painful. I've only stopped eating because
I'm 'full' after a huge Christmas dinner.

I'm also tired of the theory that if everyone eats the same food and
gets the same exercise, they'll be the same weight. It's rubbish. We
are not mechanical, factory built, standardised engines. People have
different gut bacteria, differences in intestine length (natural
differences, not surgical), differences in metabolic efficiencies, and
all of them contribute to the fact that some people can eat
'healthily', get exercise, and still pile the pounds on. I'm semi-
vegan, I have a meal with cheese in it twice a week, I eat a couple of
slices of toast for breakfast, a nice lunch, and then that's it,
unless I get really hungry and have a handful of nuts in the evening
so that the hunger pangs will shut up enough to let me sleep. I don't
drink, can't remember the last time I had a dessert, and I'm twice the
weight I should be and only just holding steady on this regime.
Please, remember, what works for you might not work for other people.
On the other side of the coin, I've got a friend who isn't very mobile
because of arthritis, so doesn't get much exercise, she eats almost
constantly, downs a bottle of wine a day, and has never weighed more
than seven stone in her entire life.

wrote in message
...

Thanks, Nettie. I couldn't agree with you more. We're *not* made to
factory standards. Everyone's case is different.

But really, what I can't stand is all the moralizing and judgement.
Regardless of what one's opinion is on fat and health, there's never
a place for contempt or prejudice toward someone whose body doesn't
fit your standard of health. A person's body weight is not a moral
issue. It *just isn't*.

Joyce


Thank you!!!! That is my main problem with Tweed's post.

Pam S.