Spayed Female & Un-neutered Male... Would it work?

"KellyH" wrote in message
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"Margaret S." wrote in message
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That's why I specified "some indoor/outdoor situations." An intact or
vasectomied tom, ime, cannot be an indoor-only cat; he needs a good deal
of
time outside to do his spraying and other male stuff.

It is completely irresponsible to allow an intact tom to roam outside.



Not to a freak like Margaret. She is unmoved by how many
cats die every day due to overpopulation. She must have her
cats "all natural and organic." Phil's photos of the garbage cans
of euthanized kittens would only make her unhappy if they are
missing their ovaries and testes. Margaret is a cat abuser. She
has caused her own cats to suffer terribly for her idiotic
"back to nature" idiology. I hope Margaret catches an all
-natural and organic form of Bubonic Plague.

"Karen Chuplis" wrote in message
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in article , Margaret S. at
wrote on 1/30/05 12:47 PM:

On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:16:51 -0500, KellyH wrote:

"Margaret S." wrote in message
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What has worked well in some indoor/outdoor situations, is one or more
females that have been sterilized by "remove the uterus but leave the
ovaries." The females still go in heat and enjoy mating (tho they
can't
get
pregnant), so the males are scared to leave home for fear of missing
some
action. As a neighborhood public service, might consider giving the
male
a vasectomy so some neighborood females might skip a litter now and
then.

/snip/

He will still spray,
roam, fight, all the negative behaviors that go along with an intact
male.


That's why I specified "some indoor/outdoor situations." An intact or
vasectomied tom, ime, cannot be an indoor-only cat; he needs a good deal
of
time outside to do his spraying and other male stuff.

As I said at my site:
"Sometimes neutering [a tomcat] will prevent or lessen [spraying],
sometimes
not. Vasectomy will NOT lessen it; a vasectomied tom will still behave
like
a full, intact tom."
And:
"Another problem [besides spraying] is that, tho some male dogs can be
satisfied with one mate, and one tom can be enough for a female cat, an
intact or vasectomied tomcat will probably need a harem of at least two
or
three intact females or more to keep him happy."


Margaret S.


I don't know what is up with you and vasectomies. I quite honestly hope no
one is "reading your web page" that you keep going on about. You sound
like
a loonie. Why the hell would *anyone* just do a vasectomy on a tom?
Cripes.


Margaret is out of her ****ing mind.

"Karen Chuplis" wrote in message
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in article , KellyH at
wrote on 1/30/05 1:15 PM:

"Margaret S." wrote in message
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That's why I specified "some indoor/outdoor situations." An intact or
vasectomied tom, ime, cannot be an indoor-only cat; he needs a good
deal
of
time outside to do his spraying and other male stuff.

It is completely irresponsible to allow an intact tom to roam outside.

As I said at my site:
"Sometimes neutering [a tomcat] will prevent or lessen [spraying],
sometimes
not. Vasectomy will NOT lessen it; a vasectomied tom will still behave
like
a full, intact tom."
And:
"Another problem [besides spraying] is that, tho some male dogs can be
satisfied with one mate, and one tom can be enough for a female cat, an
intact or vasectomied tomcat will probably need a harem of at least two
or
three intact females or more to keep him happy."


If a vasectomied tom still has all the intact behaviors, why do it? I
don't
get it.

I swear this one is a real looney.


The idea is to make living, breathing creatures conform to your
lovely, shining, ideology of all creatures living as God Intended.
Males must have testicles and females ovaries or they are not
All Natural and Pure and God Intended. It does not matter if
they suffer, or behave in ways that mean they cannot live indoors
where they are safe. As long as they are Pure and Intact.

Have I mentioned that Margaret is Out of her ****ing Mind?

"Mary" wrote in message
. com...

Margaret is a freak who thinks that female creatures without
ovaries are no longer actually female. This is why she has
tormented her own cats by having their uteri removed
but leaving their ovaries so they must suffer heats
and painful intercourse.



OMG! What VET in their right mind would do this??
--
-Kelly
kelly at farringtons dot net
"Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG

"KellyH" wrote in message
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"Mary" wrote in message
. com...

Margaret is a freak who thinks that female creatures without
ovaries are no longer actually female. This is why she has
tormented her own cats by having their uteri removed
but leaving their ovaries so they must suffer heats
and painful intercourse.



OMG! What VET in their right mind would do this??
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When Margaret advances her idiotic reproductive
crap in alt.med.veterinary, the vets do not respond.
I guess they are used to this fruitcake faction of
"all natural and organic" cat abusers and don't
want to get into it. But the fact that they do not
condemn her practice eggs her on.

in article , KellyH at
wrote on 1/30/05 3:59 PM:

"Mary" wrote in message
. com...

Margaret is a freak who thinks that female creatures without
ovaries are no longer actually female. This is why she has
tormented her own cats by having their uteri removed
but leaving their ovaries so they must suffer heats
and painful intercourse.



OMG! What VET in their right mind would do this??

That's what I wondered too.

"Mary" wrote in message
. com...
Not to a freak like Margaret. She is unmoved by how many
cats die every day due to overpopulation. She must have her
cats "all natural and organic." Phil's photos of the garbage cans
of euthanized kittens would only make her unhappy if they are
missing their ovaries and testes. Margaret is a cat abuser. She
has caused her own cats to suffer terribly for her idiotic
"back to nature" idiology. I hope Margaret catches an all
-natural and organic form of Bubonic Plague.



Ugh. How disgusting. Is she living vicariously through her cats' sex lives?
Just about every unspayed female we get at the shelter over the age of two
is skinny and unhealthy. All of their resources get put into going into
heat and pumping out kittens. Poor things barely have anything left for
themselves. As soon as they are spayed, there is such a dramatic change.
They put on weight, and honestly, seem relieved.

Unneutered, mature males stink, to be frank, and do not play well with
others. It takes at least a few weeks until we can even let them out with
other cats. Sometimes they come in with nasty wounds from fighting and are
at great risk for FIV. When we're running a FIV/FeLV test on a beat-up tom,
it's time to pray that thing isn't positive.
--
-Kelly
kelly at farringtons dot net
"Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG

On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:05:12 -0600, Karen Chuplis wrote:
/snip/

OMG! What VET in their right mind would do this??

That's what I wondered too.


That's the bottom line, isn't it?

I've lived in several parts of the US and dealt with quite a few vets, and
none of them had any problem with "remove the uterus but leave the ovaries."
One advised that as being safer than tubal ligation.



Margaret S.
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http://www.sangerfan.com Common Pet Questions
Nothing I say is professional advice. Consult your own doctor, lawyer,
veterinarian, butcher, baker, and candlestick maker.

in article , Margaret S. at
wrote on 1/30/05 4:35 PM:

On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:18:39 -0500, KellyH wrote:
/snip/

Just about every unspayed female we get at the shelter over the age of two
is skinny and unhealthy. All of their resources get put into going into
heat and pumping out kittens.


Not if they've had their uterus removed. "Remove the uterus but leave the
ovaries" prevents pregnancy. (As does tubal ligation, tho I've been told
there are more safety issues with tubals: ask your vet. I'll try to add more
on tubals at my site.)



Margaret S.

You really are certifiably nuts. I'm sorry, but that is the way it is.

On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:46:57 -0600, Karen Chuplis wrote:

in article , Margaret S. at
wrote on 1/30/05 12:47 PM:

On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:16:51 -0500, KellyH wrote:

"Margaret S." wrote in message
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/snip/
As a neighborhood public service, might consider giving the
male a vasectomy so some neighborood females might skip a litter
now and then.


Why the hell would *anyone* just do a vasectomy on a tom?


As I said above. If a neighborhood female happens to mate only with the
vasectomied tom (as can happen in some neighborhoods, at least
occasionally), he may bring her out of that heat without getting her
pregnant. So she gets to skip having a litter that season (tho not safe for
repeated use, perhaps: ask your vet.)

Not much other good reason for spending money on a vasectomy, sfaik. On my
site I mentioned a few bad reasons, but I'm not going into complicated
issues here on Usenet, where posts get snipped out of context (and sometimes
misrepresented).



Margaret S.
--
http://www.sangerfan.com Common Pet Questions
Nothing I say is professional advice. Consult your own doctor, lawyer,
veterinarian, butcher, baker, and candlestick maker.