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Update On Caboodle Ranch Cats
On 3/21/2012 9:44 PM, Catlady wrote:
On Mar 21, 3:34 pm, "Christina Websell" wrote: "The wrote in message ... On Mar 19, 10:21 pm, wrote: "Catlady" wrote in message ... http://www.ifaw.org/us/news/hundreds...battle-disease From those in the know, the evidence against Caboodle Ranch is overwhelming. A hotline has been set up for people that want to try to get their cats back. Also, a disposition hearing has been set for March 28th to determine who gets the cats. Craig and Nanette should not be allowed to be within 100 miles of any of these poor creatures (or any other cats, for that matter) that have suffered at their hands. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This is so sad. I can't speak to the origins of Caboodle Ranch, but it is clear that they became hoarders on a large scale. Most hoarders are people who don't know their own limitations and take in far more cats (or other animals) than they can possibly care for. They are usually people who love cats, but their love becomes associated with a variety of mental illnesses. Cats become ill, suffer severe malnutrition, and even die due to lack of medical care, basic nutrition, and too few people to give them even minimal attention. In the case of Caboodle Ranch, I suspect that this is not a typical hoarding case--my suspicion is that money became very important to the owners, and money that was donated may not even have gone to the care of these unfortunate cats. MaryL Craig insisted on cash whenever possible and spent donations at the racetrack, on expensivewestern wear, Vegas vacations, hotels (for his married mistress), travel and all kinds of personal items. There are witnesses that saw him pocket donation money without recording it or giving a receipt. I've seen the Caboodle Bank Statements and vet care costs are minimal compared to what he spent on himself. ----- how did you get access to the Caboodle bank statements? Tweed It's evidence from a court case and is posted online. This is not complete but is a lot of them: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BxUd...XQ2VmFGdw/edit https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BxUd...XQ2VmFGdw/edit All I'm seeing is check numbers and deposits - I don't see anything indicating where the money was spent. -- Hugs, CatNipped See all our masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped See the RPCA FAQ site, created by "Yowie", maintained by Mark Edwards, at: http://www.professional-geek.net/rpcablog/ Email: L(dot)T(dot)Crews(at)comcast(dot)net |
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Update On Caboodle Ranch Cats
"jmcquown" wrote in message ... "Catlady" wrote in message ... http://www.ifaw.org/us/news/hundreds...battle-disease From those in the know, the evidence against Caboodle Ranch is overwhelming. A hotline has been set up for people that want to try to get their cats back. What? ... for people who want to get their cats back?! Um, people who left them at the 'sanctuary' in the first place? That's ridiculous. If they couldn't, for whatever reason, care for the cat(s) and left them at Caboodle, what happens if the reclaimed cats have severe health problems now? Don't give them back to people who dropped them off! IMHO Also, a disposition hearing has been set for March 28th to determine who gets the cats. Craig and Nanette should not be allowed to be within 100 miles of any of these poor creatures (or any other cats, for that matter) that have suffered at their hands. I've read online newsclips and seen the same videos you have. I can't offer an opinion about their guilt or innocence. I'm not there; I've never been there. I do know media today tends to sensationalize. The more negative the better, it seems I wouldn't want to be sitting on a jury for this one, though. I'd have to see more than media hype to be able to render a decision. There has to be more than media hype here, otherwise, surely, the newspapers could be sued for libel. Tweed |
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Update On Caboodle Ranch Cats
"Catlady" wrote in message ... On Mar 21, 7:38 pm, "jmcquown" wrote: "Catlady" wrote in message ... http://www.ifaw.org/us/news/hundreds...battle-disease From those in the know, the evidence against Caboodle Ranch is overwhelming. A hotline has been set up for people that want to try to get their cats back. What? ... for people who want to get their cats back?! Um, people who left them at the 'sanctuary' in the first place? That's ridiculous. If they couldn't, for whatever reason, care for the cat(s) and left them at Caboodle, what happens if the reclaimed cats have severe health problems now? Don't give them back to people who dropped them off! IMHO I agree for the most part. I wonder though if there are some that did so who may have lost their homes and didn't know what else to do, but are in a better situation and have learned a valuable lesson. I am aware of a few people that are distraught and wracked with guilt as they actually tried to get their cats back not long after they brought them there but they had mysteriously disappeared (i.e. were eaten by coyotes ______ Eaten by coyotes? I hope you are not getting carried away in blaming. Did any cat get eaten by coyotes there, really? Surely not. I don't know a lot about coyotes, but I would think that if they could have got in there, they would have cleared up the dead and decaying cats that were alleged to be there. Also, a disposition hearing has been set for March 28th to determine who gets the cats. Craig and Nanette should not be allowed to be within 100 miles of any of these poor creatures (or any other cats, for that matter) that have suffered at their hands. I've read online newsclips and seen the same videos you have. I can't offer an opinion about their guilt or innocence. I'm not there; I've never been there. I do know media today tends to sensationalize. The more negative the better, it seems I wouldn't want to be sitting on a jury for this one, though. I'd have to see more than media hype to be able to render a decision. Jill I've seen plenty of evidence that is not in the media and it is damning. |
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Update On Caboodle Ranch Cats
On Mar 22, 7:09*pm, "Christina Websell"
wrote: "jmcquown" wrote in message ... "Catlady" wrote in message .... http://www.ifaw.org/us/news/hundreds...battle-disease From those in the know, the evidence against Caboodle Ranch is overwhelming. A hotline has been set up for people that want to try to get their cats back. What? *... for people who want to get their cats back?! *Um, people who left them at the 'sanctuary' in the first place? *That's ridiculous. *If they couldn't, for whatever reason, care for the cat(s) and left them at Caboodle, what happens if the reclaimed cats have severe health problems now? *Don't give them back to people who dropped them off! *IMHO Also, a disposition hearing has been set for March 28th to determine who gets the cats. Craig and Nanette should not be allowed to be within 100 miles of any of these poor creatures (or any other cats, for that matter) that have suffered at their hands. I've read online newsclips and seen the same videos you have. *I can't offer an opinion about their guilt or innocence. *I'm not there; I've never been there. *I do know media today tends to sensationalize. *The more negative the better, it seems *I wouldn't want to be sitting on a jury for this one, though. *I'd have to see more than media hype to be able to render a decision. There has to be more than media hype here, otherwise, surely, the newspapers could be sued for libel. Tweed "Catsunn" has been all over the internet posting lies in defense of Caboodle Ranch. These pictures taken on the scene by different visitors to Caboodle Ranch don't lie: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caboodleranch_deathcamp/ It takes a lot of evidence for a prosecutor to take on a case such as this. Court cases like this cost a lot of money and they wouldn't move forward on this if they didn't believe they had a winnable case. This is not based on one PETA video. There are mountains of evidence spanning a long time and there is no denying the sick, the dying, and the dead cats- and that's just for starters. |
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Update On Caboodle Ranch Cats
On Mar 22, 6:38*pm, CatNipped wrote:
On 3/21/2012 9:44 PM, Catlady wrote: On Mar 21, 3:34 pm, "Christina Websell" *wrote: "The *wrote in message .... On Mar 19, 10:21 pm, *wrote: "Catlady" wrote in message ... http://www.ifaw.org/us/news/hundreds...battle-disease *From those in the know, the evidence against Caboodle Ranch is overwhelming. A hotline has been set up for people that want to try to get their cats back. Also, a disposition hearing has been set for March 28th to determine who gets the cats. Craig and Nanette should not be allowed to be within 100 miles of any of these poor creatures (or any other cats, for that matter) that have suffered at their hands. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This is so sad. I can't speak to the origins of Caboodle Ranch, but it is clear that they became hoarders on a large scale. Most hoarders are people who don't know their own limitations and take in far more cats (or other animals) than they can possibly care for. They are usually people who love cats, but their love becomes associated with a variety of mental illnesses. Cats become ill, suffer severe malnutrition, and even die due to lack of medical care, basic nutrition, and too few people to give them even minimal attention. In the case of Caboodle Ranch, I suspect that this is not a typical hoarding case--my suspicion is that money became very important to the owners, and money that was donated may not even have gone to the care of these unfortunate cats. MaryL Craig insisted on cash whenever possible and spent donations at the racetrack, on expensivewestern wear, Vegas vacations, hotels (for his married mistress), travel and all kinds of personal items. There are witnesses that saw him pocket donation money without recording it or giving a receipt. I've seen the Caboodle Bank Statements and vet care costs are minimal compared to what he spent on himself. ----- how did you get access to the Caboodle bank statements? Tweed It's evidence from a court case and is posted online. This is not complete but is a lot of them: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BxUd...UbFdhVXdrRXQ2V... https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BxUd...UbFdhVXdrRXQ2V... All I'm seeing is check numbers and deposits - I don't see anything indicating where the money was spent. -- Hugs, CatNipped See all our masters at: *http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped See the RPCA FAQ site, created by "Yowie", *maintained by Mark Edwards, at:http://www.professional-geek.net/rpcablog/ Email: *L(dot)T(dot)Crews(at)comcast(dot)net Then you're not looking. For example, look at page 113 on the first link and you'll see Craig using donations for Daytona Speedway. There are many transactions in red boxes as examples of misuse of funds. The Love's transactions listed are for a buffet (for people) and are numerous and the money spent is often for several people. |
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Update On Caboodle Ranch Cats
On Mar 22, 6:38*pm, CatNipped wrote:
Correction. That should be page 112. |
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Update On Caboodle Ranch Cats
On Mar 22, 10:04*am, Catsunn wrote:
HI, Actually there is not overwhelming evidence. Some cats were sick...but were prescribed care and medicine by a vet. Hardly. I have access to the vet records which completely contradict your lies. Very few cats were treated and there is evidence that Craig REFUSED to spay cats. The PETA person who was taking the video was in charge of medicating the cat she filmed....and she did not treat it. * PeTA needs suffering and death in order to create the drama they need to get donations. This was actually a travesty...the cats shoudl be returned. This statement proves you are delusional. Those cats should never, ever have to suffer in that hellhole ever again. If Peta, Hsus and Aspca wanted to help, they could of donated supplies and money, Craig left donated food out in the rain to rot (thereare witness statements that confirm this.). And he had plenty of money to buy food and pay for vet care, but he refused care for the cats and used the money for Daytona, Disney on Ice, hotels, etc. HE was his priority. Not the cats. When he did give the cats food, it was often just one bag and was scattered on the ground. instead they went in there like gangbusters, busted up his little houses, This is a lie. The houses were only turned on their sides to get cats out. stuffed cats in pet taxi's where some still live today, This is a lie. No cats are living in Pet Taxi's and there are photos that prove it. ripped up his newpaper articles and created a fake atomosphere of neglect. You can't fake the *documented* neglect of hundreds of cats or the dead bodies on the property. I pray Craig can get justice. The CATS are the only ones that should be getting justice. I hope Craig rots in jail for a long long time. |
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"Catlady" wrote in message ... On Mar 22, 7:09 pm, "Christina Websell" wrote: "jmcquown" wrote in message ... "Catlady" wrote in message ... http://www.ifaw.org/us/news/hundreds...battle-disease From those in the know, the evidence against Caboodle Ranch is overwhelming. A hotline has been set up for people that want to try to get their cats back. What? ... for people who want to get their cats back?! Um, people who left them at the 'sanctuary' in the first place? That's ridiculous. If they couldn't, for whatever reason, care for the cat(s) and left them at Caboodle, what happens if the reclaimed cats have severe health problems now? Don't give them back to people who dropped them off! IMHO Also, a disposition hearing has been set for March 28th to determine who gets the cats. Craig and Nanette should not be allowed to be within 100 miles of any of these poor creatures (or any other cats, for that matter) that have suffered at their hands. I've read online newsclips and seen the same videos you have. I can't offer an opinion about their guilt or innocence. I'm not there; I've never been there. I do know media today tends to sensationalize. The more negative the better, it seems I wouldn't want to be sitting on a jury for this one, though. I'd have to see more than media hype to be able to render a decision. There has to be more than media hype here, otherwise, surely, the newspapers could be sued for libel. Tweed "Catsunn" has been all over the internet posting lies in defense of Caboodle Ranch. These pictures taken on the scene by different visitors to Caboodle Ranch don't lie: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caboodleranch_deathcamp/ It takes a lot of evidence for a prosecutor to take on a case such as this. Court cases like this cost a lot of money and they wouldn't move forward on this if they didn't believe they had a winnable case. This is not based on one PETA video. There are mountains of evidence spanning a long time and there is no denying the sick, the dying, and the dead cats- and that's just for starters. What can I say? But Dan went there a year ago and he said it was good and I believe that. This is horrible if they are true photos from there. When I look at these, it really shocks me and makes me realise how lucky my boy is. The worst thing he worries about is if his meal is 5 minutes late or whether or not to get on his duvet. Or should he go out on rat patrol when he can't really be bothered. |
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Update On Caboodle Ranch Cats
On Mar 22, 7:18*pm, "Christina Websell"
wrote: "Catlady" wrote in message ... On Mar 21, 7:38 pm, "jmcquown" wrote: "Catlady" wrote in message .... http://www.ifaw.org/us/news/hundreds...battle-disease From those in the know, the evidence against Caboodle Ranch is overwhelming. A hotline has been set up for people that want to try to get their cats back. What? ... for people who want to get their cats back?! Um, people who left them at the 'sanctuary' in the first place? That's ridiculous. If they couldn't, for whatever reason, care for the cat(s) and left them at Caboodle, what happens if the reclaimed cats have severe health problems now? Don't give them back to people who dropped them off! IMHO I agree for the most part. I wonder though if there are some that did so who may have lost their homes and didn't know what else to do, but are in a better situation and have learned a valuable lesson. I am aware of a few people that are distraught and wracked with guilt as they actually tried to get their cats back not long after they brought them there but they had mysteriously disappeared (i.e. were eaten by coyotes ______ Eaten by coyotes? *I hope you are not getting carried away in blaming. * Did any cat get eaten by coyotes there, really? Surely not. *I don't know a lot about coyotes, but I would think that if they could have got in there, they would have cleared up the dead and decaying cats that were alleged to be there. It is well known that Caboodle Ranch has a problem with coyotes. At onet ime, there was even a plea on their website for donations for a coyote proof fence. Craig had a fence thatwas reportedly only abou 5 feet tall and coyotes and cat can scale such a fence easily.Cats regularly got out of the fenced areas (and the coyotes got in) and would go to neighboring houses. There is a photo that exists of a bunch of cats from Caboodle Ranch outside of the compound walking down the road. |
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Update On Caboodle Ranch Cats
On Mar 22, 8:54*pm, "Christina Websell"
wrote: "Catlady" wrote in message ... On Mar 22, 7:09 pm, "Christina Websell" wrote: "jmcquown" wrote in message ... "Catlady" wrote in message ... http://www.ifaw.org/us/news/hundreds...battle-disease From those in the know, the evidence against Caboodle Ranch is overwhelming. A hotline has been set up for people that want to try to get their cats back. What? ... for people who want to get their cats back?! Um, people who left them at the 'sanctuary' in the first place? That's ridiculous. If they couldn't, for whatever reason, care for the cat(s) and left them at Caboodle, what happens if the reclaimed cats have severe health problems now? Don't give them back to people who dropped them off! IMHO Also, a disposition hearing has been set for March 28th to determine who gets the cats. Craig and Nanette should not be allowed to be within 100 miles of any of these poor creatures (or any other cats, for that matter) that have suffered at their hands. I've read online newsclips and seen the same videos you have. I can't offer an opinion about their guilt or innocence. I'm not there; I've never been there. I do know media today tends to sensationalize. The more negative the better, it seems I wouldn't want to be sitting on a jury for this one, though. I'd have to see more than media hype to be able to render a decision. There has to be more than media hype here, otherwise, surely, the newspapers could be sued for libel. Tweed *"Catsunn" has been all over the internet posting lies in defense of Caboodle Ranch. These pictures taken on the scene by different visitors to Caboodle Ranch don't lie:http://www.flickr.com/photos/caboodleranch_deathcamp/ It takes a lot of evidence for a prosecutor to take on a case such as this. Court cases like this cost a lot of money and they wouldn't move forward on this if they didn't believe they had a winnable case. This is not based on one PETA video. There are mountains of evidence spanning a long time and there is no denying the sick, the dying, and the dead cats- and that's just for starters. What can I say? *But Dan went there a year ago and he said it was good and I believe that. Craig was a master at hiding the disaster. I have no doubt that what Dan was "allowed" to see looked ok. This is horrible if they are true photos from there. They ARE true. Most were people that went down to volunteer and came back with an entirely different, horrified perspective of what was happening there. When I look at these, it really shocks me and makes me realise how lucky my boy is. *The worst thing he worries about is if his meal is 5 minutes late or whether or not to get on his duvet. *Or should he go out on rat patrol when he can't really be bothered. And hopefully these cats will go on to have the same worries as your treasured boy. They deserve nothing less. |
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