Trap, neuter, release roundup

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This a shrewd little girl that was very trapwise- I had to use a
drop-trap
to get her. I think she's gorgeous- but she definitely has the
Calico
demon
gene! lol! http://www.maxshouse.com/Feral/Delilah.jpg Ain't she
beautiful?



She looks like she's full of it!! Incredible eyes. Phil, you've got
some
beautiful cats there--enjoyed the pictures of the three orange cats as
well.

The three kittens' mother was hit by car right in front of them. Now
they're inseparable. If I take one out of the room the others cry until
he's back. Its going to rough finding someone who will adopt 3 kittens.

I have two other permanant fosters, brother and sister
http://www.maxshouse.com/Ours/Franky+Fanny_cage2.jpg They were kept in
a
basement by themselves for their first year of life and in a cage for
the
next 6 months.

http://www.maxshouse.com/Ours/Franki...cratch_814.jpg
http://www.maxshouse.com/Ours/F+F+plat-post.jpg

What can I say? I'm a mush for the hard luck cases.

Phil



Those cats are lucky you're taking care of them!


The way I see it- I'm the lucky one because they've enriched my life so
much!

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Its unusual to see different groups cooperate. Where I am, whenever the
County gets involved there's trouble. I'm really happy that your groups
got
the job done.

I guess I should clarify that although known as Humane Society of Allen
County, it does not get any public funding. It is run entirely off
donations
and various ongoing fundraisers. The county does not even fund the salary
of
the cruelty officer - the Humane Society does.

I'll dig out the report and send to you if you like-
you might be able to use it as a guideline or pass it on to someone.
Usually
the only language bureaucrats understand is money.

Please do.


Its on the way.

Btw, isn't this a very happy picture?
http://www.maxshouse.com/Feral/CCC-Snap.jpg

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"Phil P." wrote in message
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Its unusual to see different groups cooperate. Where I am, whenever
the
County gets involved there's trouble. I'm really happy that your
groups
got
the job done.

I guess I should clarify that although known as Humane Society of Allen
County, it does not get any public funding. It is run entirely off
donations
and various ongoing fundraisers. The county does not even fund the salary
of
the cruelty officer - the Humane Society does.

I'll dig out the report and send to you if you like-
you might be able to use it as a guideline or pass it on to someone.
Usually
the only language bureaucrats understand is money.

Please do.


Its on the way.

Btw, isn't this a very happy picture?
http://www.maxshouse.com/Feral/CCC-Snap.jpg



Oh Phil I am so sorry

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"Phil P." wrote in message
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Its unusual to see different groups cooperate. Where I am, whenever
the
County gets involved there's trouble. I'm really happy that your
groups
got
the job done.

I guess I should clarify that although known as Humane Society of Allen
County, it does not get any public funding. It is run entirely off
donations
and various ongoing fundraisers. The county does not even fund the
salary
of
the cruelty officer - the Humane Society does.

I'll dig out the report and send to you if you like-
you might be able to use it as a guideline or pass it on to someone.
Usually
the only language bureaucrats understand is money.

Please do.


Its on the way.

Btw, isn't this a very happy picture?
http://www.maxshouse.com/Feral/CCC-Snap.jpg



Oh Phil I am so sorry

Why are you sorry, Mat? All three kittens tested *negative* for FeLV and
FIV. The single blue dot is only the positive control- it shows that the
test was run properly.

What I don't want to see are any blue dots just below and on either side of
the positive control.

Phil

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"Phil P." wrote in message
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Its unusual to see different groups cooperate. Where I am, whenever
the
County gets involved there's trouble. I'm really happy that your
groups
got
the job done.

I guess I should clarify that although known as Humane Society of
Allen
County, it does not get any public funding. It is run entirely off
donations
and various ongoing fundraisers. The county does not even fund the
salary
of
the cruelty officer - the Humane Society does.

I'll dig out the report and send to you if you like-
you might be able to use it as a guideline or pass it on to someone.
Usually
the only language bureaucrats understand is money.

Please do.


Its on the way.

Btw, isn't this a very happy picture?
http://www.maxshouse.com/Feral/CCC-Snap.jpg



Oh Phil I am so sorry

Why are you sorry, Mat? All three kittens tested *negative* for FeLV and
FIV. The single blue dot is only the positive control- it shows that the
test was run properly.

What I don't want to see are any blue dots just below and on either side
of
the positive control.

Phil


Sorry Phil the color did not show up good on my end. For some reason must
be my contrast it showed reddish

Foot in mouth taking it out knocking monitor back into proper shape

HAPPY DANCE

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"Phil P." wrote in message
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Its unusual to see different groups cooperate. Where I am, whenever
the
County gets involved there's trouble. I'm really happy that your
groups
got
the job done.

I guess I should clarify that although known as Humane Society of Allen
County, it does not get any public funding. It is run entirely off
donations
and various ongoing fundraisers. The county does not even fund the salary
of
the cruelty officer - the Humane Society does.

I'll dig out the report and send to you if you like-
you might be able to use it as a guideline or pass it on to someone.
Usually
the only language bureaucrats understand is money.

Please do.


Its on the way.

Btw, isn't this a very happy picture?
http://www.maxshouse.com/Feral/CCC-Snap.jpg



) I like those kind of pictures.

W

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Btw, isn't this a very happy picture?
http://www.maxshouse.com/Feral/CCC-Snap.jpg



) I like those kind of pictures.

W

I gotta admit I was sweating bullets while I was running the test because
the kittens came from an area near a colony that had a few positives. I
waited an extra two weeks to run the test to make sure they weren't
incubating the virus.

I should know better than to get attached to fosters- but these little guys
really got to me. I'm not going to separate them- they're too tight.

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Btw, isn't this a very happy picture?
http://www.maxshouse.com/Feral/CCC-Snap.jpg



) I like those kind of pictures.

W

I gotta admit I was sweating bullets while I was running the test because
the kittens came from an area near a colony that had a few positives. I
waited an extra two weeks to run the test to make sure they weren't
incubating the virus.

I should know better than to get attached to fosters- but these little
guys
really got to me. I'm not going to separate them- they're too tight.



I know that feeling. I got my little one who had the terrible diarrhea
tested last weekend. It would have killed me after getting him healthy to
find he was positive. Happily he was negative and got adopted.

What is the youngest age you test your kittens? I've gotten conflicting info
from different vets and the one the rescue group uses doesn't like to test
younger than 14 weeks.

W

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Btw, isn't this a very happy picture?
http://www.maxshouse.com/Feral/CCC-Snap.jpg



) I like those kind of pictures.

W

I gotta admit I was sweating bullets while I was running the test
because
the kittens came from an area near a colony that had a few positives. I
waited an extra two weeks to run the test to make sure they weren't
incubating the virus.

I should know better than to get attached to fosters- but these little
guys
really got to me. I'm not going to separate them- they're too tight.



I know that feeling. I got my little one who had the terrible diarrhea
tested last weekend.

This is a picture of what one of the kittens was carrying around -- Warning:
its gross! http://maxshouse.com/Parasitology/Cr...passengers.jpg


It would have killed me after getting him healthy to
find he was positive. Happily he was negative and got adopted.

I rescued a cat about 20 years ago- a few years after the IFA was developed-
that I fell completely in love with. He was one big furball of mush. I
took a special interest in him because he was so damn affectionate and had a
very bad eye infection- that I immediately began treating aggressively. I
kept him isolated because of his eye. By the time I got around to getting
him tested a few weeks later- he had a firm grip on my heart. When he
tested positive for FeLV, I was crushed-- but I just couldn't let him go. I
had him retested by 3 different labs- all of which confirmed the first
positive. To make a long story short- After 3 years and $8K (of 1989
dollars) for very controversial treatments, he finally tested negative on
multiple ELISAs and IFAs. I never knew if the treatments actually cured him
or if he was just one of the 3-5% of FeLV cats that clear the virus from
their bone marrow and seroconvert to negative. Nine years later he died of
cancer that we couldn't beat. After that, I swore I would never get attached
to another rescue-- so much for that oath because I still get attached to
all my rescues with special needs. He wasn't the best looking cat- but he
sure was one in a million: http://maxshouse.com/Ours/Smokey.jpg



What is the youngest age you test your kittens? I've gotten conflicting
info
from different vets and the one the rescue group uses doesn't like to test
younger than 14 weeks.

The AAFP Advisory Panel on Feline Retrovirus Testing recommend that *all*
cats should be tested before adoption *regardless* of age. I wholeheartedly
agree- since most kittens are adopted when they're younger than 14 weeks.
If you get the mother with the kittens, you can just test the mother and one
or two kittens- some groups only test the mother. If I get the kittens
without the mother, I test them all- usually at about 8 weeks and again
before they're adopted. The SnapCombo kits only cost me about $9 and takes
10 minutes so its not a big deal to test or retest. If you go with the AAFP
recommendations you can't go wrong.

Phil

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Btw, isn't this a very happy picture?
http://www.maxshouse.com/Feral/CCC-Snap.jpg



) I like those kind of pictures.

W

I gotta admit I was sweating bullets while I was running the test
because
the kittens came from an area near a colony that had a few positives.
I
waited an extra two weeks to run the test to make sure they weren't
incubating the virus.

I should know better than to get attached to fosters- but these little
guys
really got to me. I'm not going to separate them- they're too tight.



I know that feeling. I got my little one who had the terrible diarrhea
tested last weekend.

This is a picture of what one of the kittens was carrying around --
Warning:
its gross! http://maxshouse.com/Parasitology/Cr...passengers.jpg


It would have killed me after getting him healthy to
find he was positive. Happily he was negative and got adopted.

I rescued a cat about 20 years ago- a few years after the IFA was
developed-
that I fell completely in love with. He was one big furball of mush. I
took a special interest in him because he was so damn affectionate and had
a
very bad eye infection- that I immediately began treating aggressively. I
kept him isolated because of his eye. By the time I got around to getting
him tested a few weeks later- he had a firm grip on my heart. When he
tested positive for FeLV, I was crushed-- but I just couldn't let him go.
I
had him retested by 3 different labs- all of which confirmed the first
positive. To make a long story short- After 3 years and $8K (of 1989
dollars) for very controversial treatments, he finally tested negative on
multiple ELISAs and IFAs. I never knew if the treatments actually cured
him
or if he was just one of the 3-5% of FeLV cats that clear the virus from
their bone marrow and seroconvert to negative. Nine years later he died of
cancer that we couldn't beat. After that, I swore I would never get
attached
to another rescue-- so much for that oath because I still get attached to
all my rescues with special needs. He wasn't the best looking cat- but he
sure was one in a million: http://maxshouse.com/Ours/Smokey.jpg



What is the youngest age you test your kittens? I've gotten conflicting
info
from different vets and the one the rescue group uses doesn't like to
test
younger than 14 weeks.

The AAFP Advisory Panel on Feline Retrovirus Testing recommend that *all*
cats should be tested before adoption *regardless* of age. I
wholeheartedly
agree- since most kittens are adopted when they're younger than 14 weeks.
If you get the mother with the kittens, you can just test the mother and
one
or two kittens- some groups only test the mother. If I get the kittens
without the mother, I test them all- usually at about 8 weeks and again
before they're adopted. The SnapCombo kits only cost me about $9 and
takes
10 minutes so its not a big deal to test or retest. If you go with the
AAFP
recommendations you can't go wrong.

Phil



I had a horrible experience several years ago with a cat who had initially
tested negative for FeLV as a young kitten and three years later developed
leukemia related lymphoma and had to be euthanized. The vet tested him for
FeLV and sure enough he was positive. One of my friends adopted two other
kittens from the same litter and they also initially tested negative (at
another vets office) and later were found to have FeLV and had to be
euthanized. All three kittens were indoor cats with vaccinations from the
time it was appropriate. The mother tested negative but it turns out there
were a couple other queens that were mutually nursing a hoard of kittens so
we don't know if another female was carrying the virus.

I work in a lab so I know that with HIV testing (in humans) the
recommendation is to test a second time several months later if the initial
test is negative since it can take a little while for antibodies to show up.
I've been assuming that's what happened with my cat but have you seen this
before with FeLV? Also, he was quite young (about 6 weeks--too young but I
know better now!)--are they producing their own antibodies by then or are
you measuring maternal antibodies still?

Bonnie