Cats and Milk

Dewi wrote:

Yowie wrote:


If you *wanted* to drink milk or eat other dairy products, you might find
that you are not allergic to the protiens in goat or sheep milk. I *love*
cheeses made from sheep's milk. Mmmmmmmm.

Yowie


Is sheeps cheese hard or soft?

I think it can be either. It depends upon the type of
cheese, not the source of the milk it is made from.

Pat wrote:

"Nan" wrote


If Jill and Evelyn are so mean to you, why don't you just kill file
both of them.


I only killfile spammers. The occasional opportunity to put forth a
different perspective on misinformation

It hasn't yet occurred to you that in this case it is YOU
who are misinformed? (Must be nice to be perfect - is that
the reason you are so insufferable?)

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:

Rhonda wrote:

This probably would have been a good subject to keep buried in the
past. It appears to have been thrown into an unrelated post just to
make her feel bad. It's unfair to bring up a problem that happened 3-4
years ago because you're having a disagreement now.

Shoudn't you be addressing those remarks to Pat, not Jill? It would
appear to be Pat who brought theu subject up, not Jill (who merely
responded).

Unless I missed a post, the first one I saw on the missed dinner meeting
was Jill replying to a milk post saying something like "and you wonder
why I didn't want to meet you for dinner..." and how Pat insisted on
Vietnamese and was picky. Quite catty, I thought, even for a cat
newsgroup.

I'm too tired tonight to look it up again and I should probably keep my
nose out of other people's arguments. I just had to step in when someone
throws old problems up in another's face when it's a different subject
and a new problem. Throwing out old stuff like that is like fingernails
on a blackboard to me.

Rhonda

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:

Rhonda wrote:

There is a lot of calcium in it, but it does cause an increase in
mucous, which can cause increases in bacterial infections (bacteria
grown better in mucous.) Singers don't drink milk before they sing
because they'd be clearing their throats a lot.

That's news to me, and I was an aspiring opera singer for most of my
life! It's true my "beverage of choice" before a performance was
usually hot herb tea, but that was to calm my nerves, not to avoid
mucous. Also, alcohol can CERTAINLY produce mucous, yet how many singers
throughout history have had a pre-performance glass of wine (or shot of
whisky) to calm their "performance" nerves?

...True, some overdid it - Bjorling with no apparent detriment to his
career. However, Robert McFerrin ("Bobbie's" father) only sang with the
Met for one season because the management decided his drinking made him
too unreliable.

I notice the increased throat-clearing myself after drinking milk, and
I'm no singer!

I don't drink very often, maybe once every few years, so I can't comment
on that. I didn't realize singers were drinking right before to calm
their nerves (well, other than rock singers who might be calming their
nerves most of the time...) That would not be a calmer for me.

Rhonda

"Rhonda" wrote

I notice the increased throat-clearing myself after drinking milk, and I'm
no singer!

I don't know about throat clearing because I have never drunk milk. In fact
I never ate dairy products at all until I was 17 years old and heard from a
doctor that if I wanted my stomach ulcer to heal, I had to eat as much dairy
as possible. I couldn't force myself to drink milk, but I did start putting
cream in my coffee and eating cheese, butter and yoghurt regularly (but
still could not drink milk). After six months I had kidney stones, chronic
bronchitis, 20 extra pounds and severe acne.

Like has been said in the prior posts here, it really does depend on the cat.
My cat growing up had milk everyday of her life, sometimes even heavy cream,
and lived to be 21 with no problems until a couple of days before her passing,
but, my two cats that I have now throw up horribly and cry when I gave them
milk (obviously, they don't get milk anymore). My cat that I brought home
from college and now lives with my parents (traitor) grew up on skim milk in
school and now that is all that he will drink. If you try to give the
gorgeous little bugger anything but skim (2% or whole) he just turns his nose
up at it Really, you have to love their personalities! I say, if you
cat loves milk and does okay with it, why not spoil them with a treat they
may love.

jmcquown wrote:
I know I've posted about this before but just curious. I keep hearing that
milk is bad for cats, yet I grew up hearing about "cats and cream" (or
milk). I know lots of people buy special "milk" for cats; goats milk and
soy milk. When Persia first came to me I asked the vet about giving Persia
milk. He said no problem, just not in large quantities. It's the one
"treat" I can give her.

I drink low-fat milk. When Persia sees the milk jug come out of the
refrigerator she starts yowling until I pour a couple of tablespoonfuls in a
bowl for her. She's never had any adverse reactions to milk.

How about your cats?

Jill

--
Message posted via http://www.catkb.com

Pat wrote:
"Rhonda" wrote

I notice the increased throat-clearing myself after drinking milk, and I'm
no singer!

I don't know about throat clearing because I have never drunk milk. In fact
I never ate dairy products at all until I was 17 years old and heard from a
doctor that if I wanted my stomach ulcer to heal, I had to eat as much dairy
as possible. I couldn't force myself to drink milk, but I did start putting
cream in my coffee and eating cheese, butter and yoghurt regularly (but
still could not drink milk). After six months I had kidney stones, chronic
bronchitis, 20 extra pounds and severe acne.

Just curious, but why not? What *did* you eat when you were a kid? No
cold cereal with milk, no buttered toast, no ice cream? No cheese?
Growing up in the 50's, that would be *very* unusual, and difficult,
particularly with school lunch menus the way they were then.


Sherry

wrote
Pat wrote:
"Rhonda" wrote

I notice the increased throat-clearing myself after drinking milk, and
I'm
no singer!

I don't know about throat clearing because I have never drunk milk. In
fact
I never ate dairy products at all until I was 17 years old and heard from
a
doctor that if I wanted my stomach ulcer to heal, I had to eat as much
dairy
as possible. I couldn't force myself to drink milk, but I did start
putting
cream in my coffee and eating cheese, butter and yoghurt regularly (but
still could not drink milk). After six months I had kidney stones,
chronic
bronchitis, 20 extra pounds and severe acne.

Just curious, but why not? What *did* you eat when you were a kid? No
cold cereal with milk, no buttered toast, no ice cream? No cheese?
Growing up in the 50's, that would be *very* unusual, and difficult,
particularly with school lunch menus the way they were then.

As an infant I couldn't keep cow's milk down, so my mom gave me soymilk (she
told me later on). She still tried to force me to drink milk as I got older,
but I never would. I ate my cereal dry or with some fruit juice on it. Toast
was dry or with jam.

We didn't have lunches served at my grade school, you either brought a lunch
or walked home if you lived close enough. In high school I was given money
for the lunch but I went to a friend's house half a block from school and
ate with them, and saved up my "lunch money" for other stuff like makeup and
records. I did now and then eat a watery fudgesicle but I mainly liked the
coldness and the chocolate flavor. I didn't do that often because it always
made me feel really sick. In high school the gang I hung around with would
go out to a pizzaria after football and basketball games, I'd eat one slice
to be polite and "normal", and get sick later on.

My mom ate a lot of Velveeta and cottage cheese. I wouldn't touch either
one. My dad liked some sort of hard orange cheese that I couldn't stand.
There was always parmesan (those green cardboard cans) in the fridge, too,
but I didn't eat it. I do remember going through a phase when I liked bleu
cheese dressing but it was quite brief. Tried it in a restaurant once, liked
it, and later asked my parents to keep it around for me. Neither of them
could fathom the attraction - and now I can't even stand the smell of it!

In recent years I've had small amounts of ranch dressing on salad in
restaurants a few times and gotten away with it. I don't really like it, but
plain salad is pretty boring, and the other dressings are loaded with sugar.
If salsa is available I use that instead of dressing. Or, if I know in
advance that I'll be eating out, I take a small amount of homemade dressing
in a bottle in my purse, if possible.

Pat wrote:

As an infant I couldn't keep cow's milk down, so my mom gave me soymilk (she
told me later on). She still tried to force me to drink milk as I got older,
but I never would. I ate my cereal dry or with some fruit juice on it. Toast
was dry or with jam.

We didn't have lunches served at my grade school, you either brought a lunch
or walked home if you lived close enough. In high school I was given money
for the lunch but I went to a friend's house half a block from school and
ate with them, and saved up my "lunch money" for other stuff like makeup and
records. I did now and then eat a watery fudgesicle but I mainly liked the
coldness and the chocolate flavor. I didn't do that often because it always
made me feel really sick. In high school the gang I hung around with would
go out to a pizzaria after football and basketball games, I'd eat one slice
to be polite and "normal", and get sick later on.

My mom ate a lot of Velveeta and cottage cheese. I wouldn't touch either
one. My dad liked some sort of hard orange cheese that I couldn't stand.
There was always parmesan (those green cardboard cans) in the fridge, too,
but I didn't eat it. I do remember going through a phase when I liked bleu
cheese dressing but it was quite brief. Tried it in a restaurant once, liked
it, and later asked my parents to keep it around for me. Neither of them
could fathom the attraction - and now I can't even stand the smell of it!

In recent years I've had small amounts of ranch dressing on salad in
restaurants a few times and gotten away with it. I don't really like it, but
plain salad is pretty boring, and the other dressings are loaded with sugar.
If salsa is available I use that instead of dressing. Or, if I know in
advance that I'll be eating out, I take a small amount of homemade dressing
in a bottle in my purse, if possible.

You can order oil and vinegar as a salad dressing. Both olive oil and
vinegar are good for you.

Soy milk is good with cereal if you like soy milk.

Pat wrote:
wrote
Pat wrote:
"Rhonda" wrote

I notice the increased throat-clearing myself after drinking milk, and
I'm
no singer!

I don't know about throat clearing because I have never drunk milk. In
fact
I never ate dairy products at all until I was 17 years old and heard from
a
doctor that if I wanted my stomach ulcer to heal, I had to eat as much
dairy
as possible. I couldn't force myself to drink milk, but I did start
putting
cream in my coffee and eating cheese, butter and yoghurt regularly (but
still could not drink milk). After six months I had kidney stones,
chronic
bronchitis, 20 extra pounds and severe acne.

Just curious, but why not? What *did* you eat when you were a kid? No
cold cereal with milk, no buttered toast, no ice cream? No cheese?
Growing up in the 50's, that would be *very* unusual, and difficult,
particularly with school lunch menus the way they were then.

As an infant I couldn't keep cow's milk down, so my mom gave me soymilk (she
told me later on). She still tried to force me to drink milk as I got older,
but I never would. I ate my cereal dry or with some fruit juice on it. Toast
was dry or with jam.

We didn't have lunches served at my grade school, you either brought a lunch
or walked home if you lived close enough. In high school I was given money
for the lunch but I went to a friend's house half a block from school and
ate with them, and saved up my "lunch money" for other stuff like makeup and
records. I did now and then eat a watery fudgesicle but I mainly liked the
coldness and the chocolate flavor. I didn't do that often because it always
made me feel really sick. In high school the gang I hung around with would
go out to a pizzaria after football and basketball games, I'd eat one slice
to be polite and "normal", and get sick later on.

My mom ate a lot of Velveeta and cottage cheese. I wouldn't touch either
one. My dad liked some sort of hard orange cheese that I couldn't stand.
There was always parmesan (those green cardboard cans) in the fridge, too,
but I didn't eat it. I do remember going through a phase when I liked bleu
cheese dressing but it was quite brief. Tried it in a restaurant once, liked
it, and later asked my parents to keep it around for me. Neither of them
could fathom the attraction - and now I can't even stand the smell of it!

In recent years I've had small amounts of ranch dressing on salad in
restaurants a few times and gotten away with it. I don't really like it, but
plain salad is pretty boring, and the other dressings are loaded with sugar.
If salsa is available I use that instead of dressing. Or, if I know in
advance that I'll be eating out, I take a small amount of homemade dressing
in a bottle in my purse, if possible.

It makes perfect sense why you would avoid dairy products at all costs.
Anyone would.
If I could offer this, though, no one likes to be proselytized. I don't
think that's really your intent, but it is definitely the tone of your
posts. Making a comment strictly "from the bleachers", you just sound
like one of people who consider themselves super-enlightened whose
dreary task is to educate all the woefully ignorant masses.
Those of us who choose to, and enjoy, milk with no ill effects, just
don't appreciate being preached to. If I can be bold, I think that's
basically why this thread went sour.
I guess I just have a cest la vie attitude--I don't get fired up about
much and I don't put a lot of stock in a whole lot that I read on what
I consider wacko fringe internet sites. And I think for myself. I think
that's the biggest issue -- I make my own decisions *when* I want to
and with information *I* research or request.
I think you intend to post more in the spirit of debate, but it comes
off as just plain arguing and trying to prove someone wrong.
To make an example, I remember you smoke. A lot of folks here have
casually mentioned that they smoke. How would you feel if you made a
casual comment and were hit with quit-smoking websites, information
from the surgeon general, the lung association, heart association, or
whatever else? You'd feel criticized by friends. Maybe their intent was
to help you (and I think that's your intent the milk, sugar, etc.
threads). But you'd probably think it was rude and condescending.
Anyway,, I hope you receive this in the spirit it was offered, and it
is *not* to criticize you. Just wanted to offer the situation as I see
it.
Sherry