cat is a bully

"bigbadbarry" wrote in message
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Phil P. wrote:


To Rob: Ignore this advice.

I'd be happy to debate this; but I will not participate in profanity
and vulgar comments with you.


That's the best I can do with idiotic assholes like you. Learn to live with
it. I would think you'd be used to it.



If you want to debate this on an intellectual level, then I challenge
you to debate.

Debate what, asshole- that you should never strike a cat? There's nothing
to debate. You should never hit a cat- its as simple as that.

Phil P. wrote:

Phil P. wrote:


To Rob: Ignore this advice.

I'd be happy to debate this; but I will not participate in profanity
and vulgar comments with you.


That's the best I can do with idiotic assholes like you. Learn to live with
it. I would think you'd be used to it.



If you want to debate this on an intellectual level, then I challenge
you to debate.

Debate what, asshole- that you should never strike a cat? There's nothing
to debate. You should never hit a cat- its as simple as that.

I'm done being vulgar in front of the Ladies, I was wrong for that. If
this was a mens only club, you'd be blusing right now.

First of all, you haven't read my post. Second YOUR STILL WRONG.

Come back when you get some couth about yourself.

If Brak was my cat? He would not taunt Zena anymore. I am the big cat
in the house, I call the shots all the shots. Especially if my wife is
fixing to get rid of a cat. This has been going on for 3 years, and the
best you can come up with is... (well, like I said, I'm done being
vulgar). but you offer no solutions...

I wouldn't care if Brak was in a 5 foot square box...they are all going
to get along, because I said so. I don't care if they don't like it, I
don't care if they hate me, it matters not...they are going to get
along.

3 years of Braks bad ass, and the best you can do is curse and abuse
the man who has the winning answer....

BUST THE CATS ASS!

bigbadbarry wrote:
Phil P. wrote:
Debate what, asshole- that you should never strike a cat? There's
nothing to debate. You should never hit a cat- its as simple as
that.

Cats 'hit' each other and ... worse! ;^)

Matter of fact, I have a short video showing a cat hitting a very small
child! What about the Rights of children to never be attacked by a house
cat? Hmmm? ;^)

"bigbadbarry" wrote in message
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Phil P. wrote:

Phil P. wrote:


To Rob: Ignore this advice.

I'd be happy to debate this; but I will not participate in profanity
and vulgar comments with you.


That's the best I can do with idiotic assholes like you. Learn to live
with
it. I would think you'd be used to it.



If you want to debate this on an intellectual level, then I challenge
you to debate.

Debate what, asshole- that you should never strike a cat? There's
nothing
to debate. You should never hit a cat- its as simple as that.

I'm done being vulgar in front of the Ladies, I was wrong for that. If
this was a mens only club, you'd be blusing right now.

I'm already LMAO at your utter stupidity.


First of all, you haven't read my post. Second YOUR STILL WRONG.

Come back when you get some couth about yourself.


That's actually funny coming from a moron. LOL!



If Brak was my cat? He would not taunt Zena anymore. I am the big cat
in the house, I call the shots all the shots.


So you're a paranoid control freak, too! I'd bet you got your ass kicked a
lot in high school- probably still do!


Especially if my wife is
fixing to get rid of a cat. This has been going on for 3 years, and the
best you can come up with is... (well, like I said, I'm done being
vulgar). but you offer no solutions...

I wouldn't care if Brak was in a 5 foot square box...they are all going
to get along, because I said so. I don't care if they don't like it, I
don't care if they hate me, it matters not...they are going to get
along.

3 years of Braks bad ass, and the best you can do is curse and abuse
the man who has the winning answer....

Winning answer? You're an absolute loser. You really don't know how stupid
you really are, do you? Hitting a cat is inhumane. Also, the aggressor
associates the punishment with the other cat- which can lead to attacks at
the sight of the other cat and only increases the aggression. Hitting a
cat also breaks down the cat-owner trust and bond--- not that you have a
bond with your cat.



BUST THE CATS ASS!


Actually, I'm glad you gave this advice! I'm sure you've removed any doubts
that anyone might have had that you're an utter moron.

"RobR" wrote in message
news:Jm2qe.3843$qE2.1144@trndny09...
We have four amazing indoor only cats, but over the past couple of years,
one of them has really become a bully to one of our other cats. Here's
our cat family:

Brak - Male 18lb - 5y old (the bully)
Warren (Braks brother) - Male 13lb - 5y old
Kaya - Female - 7lb - 10mo
Zena - Female - 10lb - 13y

Brak is probably the best lap cat/people bather (except he can't sit still
in
your lap for more than 30 seconds at a time before he has to readjust),
but he will NOT leave Zena alone. He traps her into corners and
behind the big TV and bites at and wrestles her. She screams and
yowls, she won't fight, she rolls over on her back which makes it even
easier for Brak to assault her.

Actually, this is a cat's strongest defensive position! If she spins on her
back she can position Brak so his back feet land on the ground and not on
her stomach and his head and shoulders will also hit the ground. He'll
have to get up to re-attack. Then all she has to do is spin on her back
again so her head is nearest to Brak with her rear paws ready to kick him
off. She's now the wrong way around for Brak to attack. This whole move -
(which is called 'wrong-footing') actually takes less than second. I've
seen this move many times- especially in my feral colonies- its pure
artistry to watch (as long as the attacker backs down).




As you can see, he's almost twice her
weight.

Wife has had enough and had told me one of them has to go. We love them
all, Brak and Warren were inseperable which is why we adopted them both
(though they don't seem to be now, Brak jumps on him sometimes too and
****es him off). Zena is wife's cat from before our marriage.

More living space might help the problem, but right now we simply
don't have more space to give them. They're confined to the downstairs
which gives them 3 rooms. Wife doesn't trust them upstairs (except Kaya)
as they jump into baby's crib (Kaya is small enough to squeeze under the
gate blocking off the upstairs).

The plant sprayer doesn't deter Brak at all. He hates it but even after a
year of squirting him, he won't change his behavior. When he had her
trapped behind the TV the other day, he ignored my wife yelling at him
because he knew she couldn't get to him physically. She had to find the
water bottle and spray him to get him to leave Zena alone.

I don't want to get rid of Brak or Zena, but I'm not sure what I can do
to change Brak's behavior.


Brak's behavior is not the problem- Zena is the instigator. She's wary of
Brak and her wariness is probably provoking Brak and inducing the attacks.
Punishing him is also inflamming the situation because he's associating the
punishment with Zena's presence.

What I think you should do is separate the cats behind a net or gates. Two,
22" and one 36" Gerry Gates will fit in a doorway from floor to top and
still allow you to open and close the door without removing the gates.

Here's what it looks like:

http://www.maxshouse.com/introducing_cats.htm

Feed the cats as far from the gates as possible for a few days. When you
see the cats eating in peace and showing no fear or aggression, gradually
move the food and water bowls closer to the gates every few days until the
bowls are touching the gates and cats eat without the showing fear or
aggression. Don't rush it or try to force or induce the cats to approach
each other. The object of this plan is to make Zena feel comfortable in
Brak's presence.

When the cats approach each other through the gates and eat without showing
any signs of fear or aggression for several *consecutive* days, you can
remove the gates- but supervise the first few initial contacts. Have a
blanket ready to throw just in case.

Let me know how it goes.

Best of luck,

Phil

Phil P. wrote:
Hitting a cat is inhumane.

Cats are not human / my goodness

I never used the word "Strike".

However, we will play it your way and give cats a human role. Human
mothers and father do spank thier children. (You still haven't read my
post)

Why would a body "hit" a body?
Makes no sense. Just hit them;

It's called love. when you love a child you discipline them.
A father that does not correct his child has a ******* for a son. (all
children need correction, they are born with a measure of foolishness
bound up in thier hearts, it has to be driven from them)

Also, the aggressor
associates the punishment with the other cat - which can lead to attacks at
the sight of the other cat and only increases the aggression.

This is hearsay at best! However, we'll play it this way too...

This is exactly what you want!
------------------------------
You want the bully to know the consequence of his action. I want him to
associate getting his ass busted with bullying another cat. "lest he
should forget". I want him to remember. Please do associate my action
with that action (bullying). By all means, associate. Believe me, they
quickly associate.

Hitting a cat also breaks down the cat-owner trust and bond--- not that
you have a bond with your cat.

I don't "own" my cat no more than I might say, "own" a wife. You own a
car, or a house, the only instance I know where one would claim to
"own" where warm blood is involved would be in a slave situation.

We are stewards, we are guardians not possessors. I do not say, that no
animal can be owned, we're talking about cats. A breeder seeing his cat
in terms of dollar signs may consider that he owns his cat; where the
cat is viewed as an asset, or an object of proffit.

If you had actually read my post you would at least know how I feel
about this, and you would stop already with the street level tactic of
insulting.

This is a partnership, one of mutual respect. When your cat has no
respect for you; it is not the cats fault; but more than likely just a
sign of pure ol neglect, not spending any quality time with them,
(among many other possible reasons). A corrective action should not be
used; where there is lack of respect. However, a cat may respect you
and still need a reminder but there is a distinct difference here, it
seperates the abuser from the partner, it seperates the healthy
relationship from the un-healthy relationship.

What really breaks down trust and bond, is when a cat is allowed for
example to do as he pleases, regardless of who he is effecting. Trust
and bond are under girded with respect, respect has got to be first.
The cat can depend on you for daily food - but this guarantees no
respect. The only way to gain the respect of your cat is to do right by
him. You can loose respect by playing favorites with your cats (they
know when you do it).

If I had a big brother bully me around and my guardian did nothing? I
would loose respect for my parent or guardian. This is all basic and
fundamental truth and practice. (reality in practice)

You deepen the relationship, you prove your love, as a bonus you made
some behavior modifications.

It really is not fair to me to have to keep writing the same things; I
suffer you once mo This is not an ongoing matter, this business of
correcting. It is best to do this around 7-9 months (give or take)
depending on the beast.
And after this...you won't need to, the balance of the cats juvenille,
young adult life can be handled with a look. Where there is mutual
respect in a partnership...what can I say, this speaks for itself. When
they are old they can do what they want, they don't have to mind
anybody.

Phil P. wrote:
Actually, this is a cat's strongest defensive position! If she spins on her
back she can position Brak so his back feet land on the ground and not on
her stomach and his head and shoulders will also hit the ground. He'll
have to get up to re-attack. Then all she has to do is spin on her back
again so her head is nearest to Brak with her rear paws ready to kick him
off. She's now the wrong way around for Brak to attack. This whole move -
(which is called 'wrong-footing') actually takes less than second. I've
seen this move many times- especially in my feral colonies- its pure
artistry to watch (as long as the attacker backs down).




As you can see, he's almost twice her
weight.

Wife has had enough and had told me one of them has to go. We love them
all, Brak and Warren were inseperable which is why we adopted them both
(though they don't seem to be now, Brak jumps on him sometimes too and
****es him off). Zena is wife's cat from before our marriage.

More living space might help the problem, but right now we simply
don't have more space to give them. They're confined to the downstairs
which gives them 3 rooms. Wife doesn't trust them upstairs (except Kaya)
as they jump into baby's crib (Kaya is small enough to squeeze under the
gate blocking off the upstairs).

The plant sprayer doesn't deter Brak at all. He hates it but even after a
year of squirting him, he won't change his behavior. When he had her
trapped behind the TV the other day, he ignored my wife yelling at him
because he knew she couldn't get to him physically. She had to find the
water bottle and spray him to get him to leave Zena alone.

I don't want to get rid of Brak or Zena, but I'm not sure what I can do
to change Brak's behavior.


Brak's behavior is not the problem- Zena is the instigator. She's wary of
Brak and her wariness is probably provoking Brak and inducing the attacks.
Punishing him is also inflamming the situation because he's associating the
punishment with Zena's presence.

What I think you should do is separate the cats behind a net or gates. Two,
22" and one 36" Gerry Gates will fit in a doorway from floor to top and
still allow you to open and close the door without removing the gates.

Here's what it looks like:

http://www.maxshouse.com/introducing_cats.htm

Feed the cats as far from the gates as possible for a few days. When you
see the cats eating in peace and showing no fear or aggression, gradually
move the food and water bowls closer to the gates every few days until the
bowls are touching the gates and cats eat without the showing fear or
aggression. Don't rush it or try to force or induce the cats to approach
each other. The object of this plan is to make Zena feel comfortable in
Brak's presence.

When the cats approach each other through the gates and eat without showing
any signs of fear or aggression for several *consecutive* days, you can
remove the gates- but supervise the first few initial contacts. Have a
blanket ready to throw just in case.

Let me know how it goes.

Best of luck,

Phil

or he could just bust that cats ass and be done with it. I've never
heard of such rubbish. Me thinks your head is a little clogged with cat
poo.

"bigbadbarry" wrote in message
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Phil P. wrote:
Hitting a cat is inhumane.

Cats are not human / my goodness


I never used the word "Strike".

However, we will play it your way and give cats a human role.


Inhumane = giving cats a human role? ROTFLMAO!!!

You're not a moron; you're an imbecile!

"bigbadbarry" wrote in message
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Phil P. wrote:
Hitting a cat is inhumane.
snip
Hitting a cat also breaks down the cat-owner trust and bond--- not that
you have a bond with your cat.

snip
I don't "own" my cat no more than I might say, "own" a wife. You own a
car, or a house, the only instance I know where one would claim to
"own" where warm blood is involved would be in a slave situation.

We are stewards, we are guardians not possessors. I do not say, that no
animal can be owned, we're talking about cats. A breeder seeing his cat
in terms of dollar signs may consider that he owns his cat; where the
cat is viewed as an asset, or an object of proffit.
snip
This is a partnership, one of mutual respect. When your cat has no
respect for you; it is not the cats fault; but more than likely just a
sign of pure ol neglect, not spending any quality time with them,
(among many other possible reasons). A corrective action should not be
used; where there is lack of respect. However, a cat may respect you
and still need a reminder but there is a distinct difference here, it
seperates the abuser from the partner, it seperates the healthy
relationship from the un-healthy relationship.

What really breaks down trust and bond, is when a cat is allowed for
example to do as he pleases, regardless of who he is effecting. Trust
and bond are under girded with respect, respect has got to be first.
The cat can depend on you for daily food - but this guarantees no
respect. The only way to gain the respect of your cat is to do right by
him. You can loose respect by playing favorites with your cats (they
know when you do it).

If I had a big brother bully me around and my guardian did nothing? I
would loose respect for my parent or guardian. This is all basic and
fundamental truth and practice. (reality in practice)

You deepen the relationship, you prove your love, as a bonus you made
some behavior modifications.

It really is not fair to me to have to keep writing the same things; I
suffer you once mo This is not an ongoing matter, this business of
correcting. It is best to do this around 7-9 months (give or take)
depending on the beast.
And after this...you won't need to, the balance of the cats juvenille,
young adult life can be handled with a look. Where there is mutual
respect in a partnership...what can I say, this speaks for itself. When
they are old they can do what they want, they don't have to mind
anybody.

Excellent post, Barry.
--

- Philip

Phil P. wrote:

Inhumane = giving cats a human role? ROTFLMAO!!!

Well you can get off the floor now

By definition, the term carries the meaning, of Not Human,
Not worthy of being a human.

What the heck is so funny, get your ass off the floor boy, act like you
got some damn sense about you, you embarrassing yourself.

Can't take you no-where