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Dilema...
"Helen Miles" wrote in message news:f7b32d969e35263bc007c27d7317d42b.76411@mygate .mailgate.org... "Monique Y. Mudama" wrote in message I find this part disturbing. Isn't the pet overpopulation problem not nearly as bad in the UK as in the US? Does this mean that they're purposely keeping healthy pets available just so their trainees can euthanize them? Unlike the National Canine Defence League and Cats Protection who never destroy a healthy animal, The RSPCA is NOT a no-kill organisation. They routinely euthanaise companion animals. The trainees have to euthanaise those that are on "death row" and who are being pulled because their time is up. Helen M Which used to be 7 days, but I might be a bit out of touch with their policies now. My aunt's elderly dog went missing from their garden, having just gone out for a wee. They spent days and nights searching the streets for her as she was very beloved. They rang the police, all the private dog rescue organisations and the RSPCA daily. She was a very distinctive dog as she had just undergone an operation and had a wound that wasn't healing well and was undergoing vet treatment. No. she hadn't been found anywhere. Until they decided to go along to the RSPCA kennels anyway and have a look, and yes, there she was, she'd been there all along, been there 6 days and was one day away from destruction. Bah. That's just one thing I could tell you. Tweed |
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Dilema...
"Helen Miles" wrote in message news:b4cacb6debdc8c8b29508dadccf21e6b.76411@mygate .mailgate.org... "Helen Miles" wrote in message news:7d3d63ffd20d377e3c4a644d840788f3.76411@mygate .mailgate.org I'm considering applying to the RSPCA to become an Inspector. However, I have a moral dilema. The RSPCA does good work. However, having done my research, it is also a very contraversial organisation in that it will euthanaise healthy animals for lack of homes, (70,000+ last year) and there have been situations where peoples pets have been euthaniased by mistake because of RSPCA policies that are in place, as well as seizures taking place in unwaranted circumstances./// Thanks to everyone for the input. I had a very long conversation with someone who knows me very well, and isn't afraid to "say it how it is". Having talked it through with her, I don't honestly beleive that I'd be able to look at myself in the mirror and believe I was doing a good thing for animals by working for the RSPCA. I'm going to stick an organisation that has the same values on the lives as animals as I do and find another job. Thanks for helping to clarify things folks. At the risk of sounding flaky, I think that if I did 1/2 the stuff that I've been told I'd have to do in training, I will quite simply have sold my soul to the devil. Helen M Thank god for that. Tweed |
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"Christina Websell" wrote in
message No. she hadn't been found anywhere. Until they decided to go along to the RSPCA kennels anyway and have a look, and yes, there she was, she'd been there all along, been there 6 days and was one day away from destruction. Bah. That's just one thing I could tell you./// Well that's just it. I know of several stories similar to that one and some far worse, and I've had a run-in with the RSPCA myself when HRFL was a baby over the state of his eyes (he was under a veterinary opthalmic specialist at the Animal Health Trust at the time!). I guess that I'm glad i did some proper research and some serious digging on the organisation before agreeing to sell my soul to the devil! Helen M -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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On 2006-01-20, Helen Miles penned:
At the risk of sounding flaky, I think that if I did 1/2 the stuff that I've been told I'd have to do in training, I will quite simply have sold my soul to the devil. That doesn't sound flaky to me. -- monique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca |
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Dilema...
Helen Miles wrote:
I'm considering applying to the RSPCA to become an Inspector. However, I have a moral dilema. The RSPCA does good work. However, having done my research, it is also a very contraversial organisation in that it will euthanaise healthy animals for lack of homes, (70,000+ last year) and there have been situations where peoples pets have been euthaniased by mistake because of RSPCA policies that are in place, as well as seizures taking place in unwaranted circumstances. One of the comments that was made to me by an inspector who I used to ride my horse with, was that after a while the animals euthanised become just numbers and you detatch from them and they cease being anything other than statistics. I know I *CAN* euthanaise animals - I've had to on several occasions, but they have always been animals that were suffering from incurable medical problems and not healthy animals. I don't agree with the RSPCA feral cat policies (trap and euthanaisia), and would find it exceptionally difficult to destroy a perfectly healthy animal - I would go as far as to say it's against my spiritual and moral beliefs. However, you also act as an animal advocate, and get to do a lot of good - rescue of cruelty victims and the like. I don't know how I feel about the job at the moment. I really don't. i know that during training you are required to slaughter cattle & to euthanaise healthy cats & dogs to prove you can do it and are *up to the task*. Killing cattle and live stock, I can deal with. Pet animals are a whole different ball game. On one hand, I want to get involved with the whole *get animals out of bad situations*, and I'd be very good at it because I have a lot of the esential skills required for the job. On the other hand, I've never heard a good word said about the RSPCA and their euthanaisia/destruction policy is a toughy. The floor is open. I'd welcome some discussion on this, as I really an torn. As i said, I've not made up my mind one way or the other. Helen M All I can say is, I'd hate to be put in a position where I was forced to kill a healthy animal. I've heard the hooror stories as well, personally I couldn't be part of it, maybe though, you could make a difference. -- Adrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) A House is not a home, without a cat. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk |
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"Helen Miles" wrote in message news:b4cacb6debdc8c8b29508dadccf21e6b.76411@mygate .mailgate.org... At the risk of sounding flaky, I think that if I did 1/2 the stuff that I've been told I'd have to do in training, I will quite simply have sold my soul to the devil. Helen M I htik you made the correct decision. There is the argument that you can try to change the organisation form the inside, but an inspector won't have the clout to do it. On the other hand.... working undercover to expose the bad side... but that's a whole different ball game. Another thought. How about working with a vet that has links to animal shelters? Would that be a starter? Cheers, helen s |
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Monique Y. Mudama wrote: On 2006-01-20, Helen Miles penned: At the risk of sounding flaky, I think that if I did 1/2 the stuff that I've been told I'd have to do in training, I will quite simply have sold my soul to the devil. That doesn't sound flaky to me. No. You cannot do well at a job where you feel that what you are being asked to do is ethically wrong. I had problems working in a store for older women where I was informed that it was part of my job to tempt them to spend their pension cheques on clothes they didn't need...that I was to do whatever it took to convince them to buy everything now, and "not to hang onto the money until after they'd paid the rent and bought their food for the week." Why did I feel good when I failed and a lady went for food before she came back to buy what clothes she could afford with what was left over, even though I was getting punished for not meeting sales quotas? Why did I feel bad when I scored a big sale out of someone I knew couldn't really afford what she bought? There are very few things worth the price of your soul (war, or the lives of your children, sometimes being worth it.) --Fil |
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"Enfilade" wrote in message oups.com... Monique Y. Mudama wrote: On 2006-01-20, Helen Miles penned: At the risk of sounding flaky, I think that if I did 1/2 the stuff that I've been told I'd have to do in training, I will quite simply have sold my soul to the devil. That doesn't sound flaky to me. No. You cannot do well at a job where you feel that what you are being asked to do is ethically wrong. There are very few things worth the price of your soul (war, or the lives of your children, sometimes being worth it.) --Fil While I totally agree with Helen's decision, I don't find putting down healthy animals ethically wrong. There are times in real life that once a wrong turn is taken on the wrong/right anything that follows is going to be less than optimal. Where the only choices left are between wrong and not so wrong. In the real world there are not enough resources to provide a home for every cat and dog that is born. Once everything possible has been done to care for and find suitable homes there will still be healthy animals left. A lot of them. And more are being born every minute. Should they be caged and fed and left to live out their lives in some sort of prison? So while there are a lot of things I might not be able to bring myself to do, I try not to demonize anyone whose lot and choice is to do them. So I know this is preaching to the choir, but spay and neuter your pets! Jo |
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"Enfilade" wrote On 2006-01-20, Helen Miles penned: At the risk of sounding flaky, I think that if I did 1/2 the stuff that I've been told I'd have to do in training, I will quite simply have sold my soul to the devil. No. You cannot do well at a job where you feel that what you are being asked to do is ethically wrong. Sorry to piggyback here, but I agree 100% with Enfilade on this one, Helen! I volunteer/fundraise with Cats Protection and will have nothing to do with the RSPCA. In your position I'd try to get paid work with CP or similar with Ethical & Humane policies and spend as much time as possible exposing the RSPCA's barbarities to the outside world, thus hoping to attract publicity & divert funding..............etc. etc. My tuppence worth. Cheers & Good Luck Gordon |
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Dilema...
"Helen Miles" wrote in message news:b4cacb6debdc8c8b29508dadccf21e6b.76411@mygate .mailgate.org... "Helen Miles" wrote in message news:7d3d63ffd20d377e3c4a644d840788f3.76411@mygate .mailgate.org I'm considering applying to the RSPCA to become an Inspector. However, I have a moral dilema. The RSPCA does good work. However, having done my research, it is also a very contraversial organisation in that it will euthanaise healthy animals for lack of homes, (70,000+ last year) and there have been situations where peoples pets have been euthaniased by mistake because of RSPCA policies that are in place, as well as seizures taking place in unwaranted circumstances./// Thanks to everyone for the input. I had a very long conversation with someone who knows me very well, and isn't afraid to "say it how it is". Having talked it through with her, I don't honestly beleive that I'd be able to look at myself in the mirror and believe I was doing a good thing for animals by working for the RSPCA. I'm going to stick an organisation that has the same values on the lives as animals as I do and find another job. Thanks for helping to clarify things folks. At the risk of sounding flaky, I think that if I did 1/2 the stuff that I've been told I'd have to do in training, I will quite simply have sold my soul to the devil. Helen M I'm glad that you made a decision, Helen. I don't think I could work there, either. kili |
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