Getting ready for a new aby kitten in Chicago-advice on vets

Arjun Ray wrote:

They would rather have trophies than pets.


You know, you'll reach more people if you are willing to not
overgeneralize and make yourself look like some one who is just totally
unreasonable.

My Isis is very much a pet thankyouverymuch... and if I really wanted just
a trophy, why did I bother trying to tame her down and get her to not be
afraid of me (The cat is super timid... total sweetheart and not a mean
bone in her body, but so afraid of people). I could have easily just given
her away and tried to find another one that would show herself to others
more often (you'd never know I had her if I didn't tell you. Some of my
friends still question her existance as she's very good at hiding before
anyone even comes in the house).

I got Isis because my previous cat had a lot of Siamese and I loved her
(There's a reason for you to get a purebred that has nothing to do with
wanting a trophy)... though you'll find it amusing that the two are
nothing alike. They share(d)siamese traits but display it in totally
different ways. Yes, a breed can have traits that fit the breed and have
very different cats at the same time.

For example both were one people cats (very much a Siamese trait. The
one person I've met with a siamese that did like other people says it
is still obvious who she favors).Sharmon was mean to anyone else
who dared pet her but not afraid of them, just didn't like them and would
scratch them for daring to touch her. Hell, sometimes she'd scratch me
for touching her when she wanted to be left alone (Isis has leave me
alone periods too but she's not mean.. she just runs away if you try to
pet her and she doesn't want to be pet). Isis is not a mean
cat but afraid of eveyrone and bonded to me and even my roommate who she
knows she doesn't trust as well, but she lets him even pet her sometimes,
but it's obvious who she favors (who she lets pick her up, who she comes
to, who she doesn't give very distrustful stares when they try to pet
her). Both held grudges very well also... Isis goes back to being you
scare me, and Sharmon would just hide out somewhere and get ****y if you
found her (it was foolish to try to pet her if she was under something..
usually meant she wanted to be left alone).

Alice

--
The root cause of problems is simple overpopulation. People just aren't
worth very much any more, and they know it. Makes 'em testy. ...Bev
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Sherry wrote:
Where did you get your cat?

She got it from a breeder online that she never met. She had the kitten
shipped to her on an airplane in cargo. The poor thing was totally
freaked when she arrived and it quickly became clear that the breeder
wasn't truthful about the kitten. It's a shame she went that route as
there are always Siamese cats popping up in shelters, not to mention
tons of them at http://www.siameserescue.org

Megan



"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray

Sherry wrote:
Where did you get your cat?

She got it from a breeder online that she never met. She had the kitten
shipped to her on an airplane in cargo. The poor thing was totally
freaked when she arrived and it quickly became clear that the breeder
wasn't truthful about the kitten. It's a shame she went that route as
there are always Siamese cats popping up in shelters, not to mention
tons of them at http://www.siameserescue.org

Megan



"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray

Arjun wrote:
There aren't too many longhair ferals out
there. In the Rikers Island project, the
population of 250-300 cats had only a
handful of longhairs, interestingly enough
all female, mostly white with black
splotches. It's my understanding that
longhair is a recessive gene, so I'm not
surprised it generally has to be "bred for".
Feral longhairs would probably have
reduced life chances anyway.

I have never seen longhaired ferals around here (there would have been
three had Stella had her kittens outside.) Murphy is the exception and
he was so badly matted when I trapped him they had to shave one whole
side of his body and then some, poor baby :-( I think matting would be
the worst part for a feral longhair.

Megan



"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray

Arjun wrote:
There aren't too many longhair ferals out
there. In the Rikers Island project, the
population of 250-300 cats had only a
handful of longhairs, interestingly enough
all female, mostly white with black
splotches. It's my understanding that
longhair is a recessive gene, so I'm not
surprised it generally has to be "bred for".
Feral longhairs would probably have
reduced life chances anyway.

I have never seen longhaired ferals around here (there would have been
three had Stella had her kittens outside.) Murphy is the exception and
he was so badly matted when I trapped him they had to shave one whole
side of his body and then some, poor baby :-( I think matting would be
the worst part for a feral longhair.

Megan



"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray

Sherry wrote:
Where did you get your cat?


Sharmon: Litter of kittens that a vet was giving away (don't know fi they
were a client of his or if some one dumped them at his door)

Isis: Traditional siamese breeder. Wouldn't go to her again ieven if she
was still aruond... I like Isis but in hindsight I'mm not suo sure she was
a breeder I'd condone.

Alice

--
The root cause of problems is simple overpopulation. People just aren't
worth very much any more, and they know it. Makes 'em testy. ...Bev
|\ _,,,---,,_ Tigress
/,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/tigress
|,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-'
'---''(_/--' `-'\_) Cat by Felix Lee.

Sherry wrote:
Where did you get your cat?


Sharmon: Litter of kittens that a vet was giving away (don't know fi they
were a client of his or if some one dumped them at his door)

Isis: Traditional siamese breeder. Wouldn't go to her again ieven if she
was still aruond... I like Isis but in hindsight I'mm not suo sure she was
a breeder I'd condone.

Alice

--
The root cause of problems is simple overpopulation. People just aren't
worth very much any more, and they know it. Makes 'em testy. ...Bev
|\ _,,,---,,_ Tigress
/,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/tigress
|,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-'
'---''(_/--' `-'\_) Cat by Felix Lee.

wrote:
Sherry wrote:
Where did you get your cat?

She got it from a breeder online that she never met. She had the kitten
shipped to her on an airplane in cargo. The poor thing was totally
freaked when she arrived and it quickly became clear that the breeder

Yep, and thebn you accused me of wanting to give her away when I posted my
worries on how to get her to acclimate because we had gotten in this
arguement before and you deideded that based on me getting a purebred
meant I was the kind of person who would just give the cat away.


That poor kitty is now sitting on my desk wondering why I'm not paying
attention to her and instead paying attention to that silly box (actually
she just got bored and jumped off to go find other things to do).

Oh, and I get the feeling Megan has killfiled me so I think it's pretty
tacky of her to indirectly aim a response to me to a question that
wasn't even asked of her knowing she will never read any response
I'll make back. If you are reading this, Megan, I apologize for this
paragraph, obviously, I'm wrong, if not... I'd just like to point that
out to others reading this thread.

wasn't truthful about the kitten. It's a shame she went that route as

Yep, she was a bad breeder. I will admit I chose too hastily, was easily
pacified by things that if I looked closer I might have seen that she
wasn't that great. And honestly, any breeder willing to ship a cat as
shy as Isis can't be that great (to be fair she was hesitant at first
about sending me Isis, she at first was telling me she had no females
- I was being silly and insisting on a female cat. After me continually
pushing for a female, as every cat I grew up with was female, she
remarked she had one but she was a bit shy.. as Megan said, the
breeder wasn't all that truthful.. she didn't outright lie, she
way underexagerated though). I should have gotten her from the
breeder that I had contacted a year before when I wasn't in such
a great position for a cat who refused sale to me and told me to
wait until I was in a better position. I was impatient though.

And, believe it or not, I did check out Siamese rescue. I wanted
to make sure I got a Siamese though and their cats didn't
even have Siamese markings! In fact I don't think I ever see a
siamese being put up for adoption (admittedly I'm not looking
but when I do look over cats being put up for adoption I have
yet to even see one that needs to be adpoted). So, despite
them being a popular breed, they aren't taking that many slots
in the shelters.

Alice

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray



--
The root cause of problems is simple overpopulation. People just aren't
worth very much any more, and they know it. Makes 'em testy. ...Bev
|\ _,,,---,,_ Tigress
/,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/tigress
|,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-'
'---''(_/--' `-'\_) Cat by Felix Lee.

wrote:
Sherry wrote:
Where did you get your cat?

She got it from a breeder online that she never met. She had the kitten
shipped to her on an airplane in cargo. The poor thing was totally
freaked when she arrived and it quickly became clear that the breeder

Yep, and thebn you accused me of wanting to give her away when I posted my
worries on how to get her to acclimate because we had gotten in this
arguement before and you deideded that based on me getting a purebred
meant I was the kind of person who would just give the cat away.


That poor kitty is now sitting on my desk wondering why I'm not paying
attention to her and instead paying attention to that silly box (actually
she just got bored and jumped off to go find other things to do).

Oh, and I get the feeling Megan has killfiled me so I think it's pretty
tacky of her to indirectly aim a response to me to a question that
wasn't even asked of her knowing she will never read any response
I'll make back. If you are reading this, Megan, I apologize for this
paragraph, obviously, I'm wrong, if not... I'd just like to point that
out to others reading this thread.

wasn't truthful about the kitten. It's a shame she went that route as

Yep, she was a bad breeder. I will admit I chose too hastily, was easily
pacified by things that if I looked closer I might have seen that she
wasn't that great. And honestly, any breeder willing to ship a cat as
shy as Isis can't be that great (to be fair she was hesitant at first
about sending me Isis, she at first was telling me she had no females
- I was being silly and insisting on a female cat. After me continually
pushing for a female, as every cat I grew up with was female, she
remarked she had one but she was a bit shy.. as Megan said, the
breeder wasn't all that truthful.. she didn't outright lie, she
way underexagerated though). I should have gotten her from the
breeder that I had contacted a year before when I wasn't in such
a great position for a cat who refused sale to me and told me to
wait until I was in a better position. I was impatient though.

And, believe it or not, I did check out Siamese rescue. I wanted
to make sure I got a Siamese though and their cats didn't
even have Siamese markings! In fact I don't think I ever see a
siamese being put up for adoption (admittedly I'm not looking
but when I do look over cats being put up for adoption I have
yet to even see one that needs to be adpoted). So, despite
them being a popular breed, they aren't taking that many slots
in the shelters.

Alice

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray



--
The root cause of problems is simple overpopulation. People just aren't
worth very much any more, and they know it. Makes 'em testy. ...Bev
|\ _,,,---,,_ Tigress
/,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/tigress
|,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-'
'---''(_/--' `-'\_) Cat by Felix Lee.

Tigress wrote:

thebn you accused me of wanting to give
her away when I posted my worries on
how to get her to acclimate because we
had gotten in this arguement before and
you deideded that based on me getting a
purebred meant I was the kind of person
who would just give the cat away.

That is not true. Let me refresh your memory...

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...3f404e&rnum=10

You wrote:
My roomie is not really doning much to
make me feel comfortable that my cat
won't be a work to get to trust humans,
and I'm not sure how good with nervous
cats I can be.

To which I responded:

you will have to FIND A WAY, unless of
course you plan on "getting rid of it" if it
doesn't work out.

Your statemment made it seem that you would be hesitant about keeping
her if you weren't able to bring her out of her shell. My statement did
not accuse you of "wanting" to get rid of her, only that it seemed from
what you stated that that might be an unfortunate alternative if you did
not find a way to deal with her. I then went on to give you advice on
how to deal with her.

Oh, and I get the feeling Megan has
killfiled me so I think it's pretty tacky of
her to indirectly aim a response to me to a
question that wasn't even asked of her

I knew the answer and posted it. It's a public forum, remember?

knowing she will never read any response
I'll make back.

As I have pointed out many times over the years, WebTV does not have a
killfile, and I don't believe in using them anyway.

If you are reading this, Megan, I
apologize for this paragraph, obviously,
I'm wrong

Yes, you are.

Megan



"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray