Crane, Gaubster, PhilP

Why is Europe going back to the days of socialism and communism? They don't
have a habit of doing what works best--they like to "socially engineer" and
experiment. Perhaps that is the case here?

Where did you get that from? Do you know anything about Europe at all?
Many countries in Europe have always been socialist such as the
countries in Scandinavia, Holland, Belgium, Austria. Other countries
became socialist more recently, like Spain, Portugal, France. And
still other countries such as UK and Germany entitle themselves
capitalist but they are way more socialist than capitalist. Communism
was restricted to the Soviet Union but with the fall of the Berlin
Wall, the Soviet Union and communism are history. I bet you don´t know
the difference between socialism and communism, do you?

I don´t have to think on this one Steve. Despite many attempts, eq was
never allowed to be used extensively in foods meant for humans.

That first sentence is telling! Eq is still used in human foods (in the US),
so what do you mean by "extensively"?

I mean extensively. Many foods are preserved with artificial
antioxidants: butter, cereals, etc. But ethoxyquin was only allowed in
two things: paprika and chilli. Now, how often do you or anyone you
know eat paprika and/or chilli? Do you eat them on a daily basis? If
so, which I doubt it, are those the only things you eat?

Why is Europe going back to the days of socialism and communism? They don't
have a habit of doing what works best--they like to "socially engineer" and
experiment. Perhaps that is the case here?

Where did you get that from? Do you know anything about Europe at all?
Many countries in Europe have always been socialist such as the
countries in Scandinavia, Holland, Belgium, Austria. Other countries
became socialist more recently, like Spain, Portugal, France. And
still other countries such as UK and Germany entitle themselves
capitalist but they are way more socialist than capitalist. Communism
was restricted to the Soviet Union but with the fall of the Berlin
Wall, the Soviet Union and communism are history. I bet you don´t know
the difference between socialism and communism, do you?

I don´t have to think on this one Steve. Despite many attempts, eq was
never allowed to be used extensively in foods meant for humans.

That first sentence is telling! Eq is still used in human foods (in the US),
so what do you mean by "extensively"?

I mean extensively. Many foods are preserved with artificial
antioxidants: butter, cereals, etc. But ethoxyquin was only allowed in
two things: paprika and chilli. Now, how often do you or anyone you
know eat paprika and/or chilli? Do you eat them on a daily basis? If
so, which I doubt it, are those the only things you eat?

Why is Europe going back to the days of socialism and communism? They don't
have a habit of doing what works best--they like to "socially engineer" and
experiment. Perhaps that is the case here?

Where did you get that from? Do you know anything about Europe at all?
Many countries in Europe have always been socialist such as the
countries in Scandinavia, Holland, Belgium, Austria. Other countries
became socialist more recently, like Spain, Portugal, France. And
still other countries such as UK and Germany entitle themselves
capitalist but they are way more socialist than capitalist. Communism
was restricted to the Soviet Union but with the fall of the Berlin
Wall, the Soviet Union and communism are history. I bet you don´t know
the difference between socialism and communism, do you?

I don´t have to think on this one Steve. Despite many attempts, eq was
never allowed to be used extensively in foods meant for humans.

That first sentence is telling! Eq is still used in human foods (in the US),
so what do you mean by "extensively"?

I mean extensively. Many foods are preserved with artificial
antioxidants: butter, cereals, etc. But ethoxyquin was only allowed in
two things: paprika and chilli. Now, how often do you or anyone you
know eat paprika and/or chilli? Do you eat them on a daily basis? If
so, which I doubt it, are those the only things you eat?

They are CARNIVORES which means RAW MEAT EATERS.
They have evolved on raw meat and have been eating raw meat for at
least the last 10 million years, since the first felid appeared. I
have never seen a wild felid (or any other animal besides us) cooking
their food or removing bones from the food to eat it. I have never
heard of a tiger or any other felid breaking into a corn crop or a
rice crop to eat corn or rice. We have been feeding and ARTIFICIAL
diet to our cats for the last two decades and the result of this poor
diet is their poor health. Do you believe in the nonsense you say or
are you just saying anything to sell your 100% balanced CORN?







Liz, how EXACTLY do you explain Phil's (excellent) point that cats on
commercial diets have thrived and live longer lives than their wild
counterparts? Stop your allegations and please provide some common sense and
logic. If what you allege is so bad, then why are you proven wrong on a daily
basis?

They are CARNIVORES which means RAW MEAT EATERS.
They have evolved on raw meat and have been eating raw meat for at
least the last 10 million years, since the first felid appeared. I
have never seen a wild felid (or any other animal besides us) cooking
their food or removing bones from the food to eat it. I have never
heard of a tiger or any other felid breaking into a corn crop or a
rice crop to eat corn or rice. We have been feeding and ARTIFICIAL
diet to our cats for the last two decades and the result of this poor
diet is their poor health. Do you believe in the nonsense you say or
are you just saying anything to sell your 100% balanced CORN?







Liz, how EXACTLY do you explain Phil's (excellent) point that cats on
commercial diets have thrived and live longer lives than their wild
counterparts? Stop your allegations and please provide some common sense and
logic. If what you allege is so bad, then why are you proven wrong on a daily
basis?

They are CARNIVORES which means RAW MEAT EATERS.
They have evolved on raw meat and have been eating raw meat for at
least the last 10 million years, since the first felid appeared. I
have never seen a wild felid (or any other animal besides us) cooking
their food or removing bones from the food to eat it. I have never
heard of a tiger or any other felid breaking into a corn crop or a
rice crop to eat corn or rice. We have been feeding and ARTIFICIAL
diet to our cats for the last two decades and the result of this poor
diet is their poor health. Do you believe in the nonsense you say or
are you just saying anything to sell your 100% balanced CORN?







Liz, how EXACTLY do you explain Phil's (excellent) point that cats on
commercial diets have thrived and live longer lives than their wild
counterparts? Stop your allegations and please provide some common sense and
logic. If what you allege is so bad, then why are you proven wrong on a daily
basis?

Ahem,
Remember this is a *LOW* carb diet.

You´re right. They substituted corn for paper.

Ahem,
Remember this is a *LOW* carb diet.

You´re right. They substituted corn for paper.

Ahem,
Remember this is a *LOW* carb diet.

You´re right. They substituted corn for paper.

(GAUBSTER2) wrote:

People don't always read labels. Why is it sold in pet stores and labeled
"feline"? They really need to clarify this product moreso than just the fine
print.

Now, now, you are just assuming that if you didn't understand the product that
means lots of other people wouldn't either. It's true that it takes a little
reading to "get" the Wysong philosophy--their all meat canned foods are not
meant to be fed as a complete diet either.

Perhaps Wysong expects too much of consumers in requiring them to read a
little, but Wysong is generally sold in health food stores so I would guess
they market to a more health conscious population. As to whether the average
vegan buys food without researching it, that I don't know. As a vegetarian, I
know I have to read labels pretty carefully, but I have never tried to be
vegan.

Most of the Web sites devoted to vegan diets for dogs and cats do seem to make
a point of noting that Wysong's Vegan Canine/Feline food (it's not labeled for
felines only) is a supplement, not a complete diet, so apparently a lot of
vegans do know that. Really, if anyone is actually considering trying to feed a
cat a vegan or vegetarian diet, I surely hope they are thoroughly researching
the subject because it's pretty tricky to do and generally discouraged by the
veterinary community.