New Fancy Feast

Matthew wrote:
Now I am one that can vouch that fancy feast has made a difference in my
cat. My Rumble was diagnosed diabetic less than a month ago. I had to
start giving him a shot of insulin twice a day. I changed him over to a
diet of Fancy Feast as suggested by Phil and MaryL. Also they have the
most varieties that have gravy and over all numbers had the closest for
cards with the most variety of gravy products. The diet change brought
Rumble down from a 437 glucose level to 215 in the first week than we
did 2 glucose curve the lowest was 73 and the highest was 143. SO the
diet change got him off the insulin shots and now he is a happy kitty.

That's good. Whey you have numbers like that, you have to deal with the
immediate problem and not some renal problem way in the future.

And in your case, wet food "solved" the problem and phosphorus is not
going to impact the immediate diabetic crisis.

It's good to know that. I might ask what you were feeding your cat
before Fancy Feast. I would really like to know. Dry food? Common type?

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Matthew wrote:
Now I am one that can vouch that fancy feast has made a difference in my
cat. My Rumble was diagnosed diabetic less than a month ago. I had to
start giving him a shot of insulin twice a day. I changed him over to a
diet of Fancy Feast as suggested by Phil and MaryL. Also they have
the
most varieties that have gravy and over all numbers had the closest for
cards with the most variety of gravy products. The diet change brought
Rumble down from a 437 glucose level to 215 in the first week than we
did 2 glucose curve the lowest was 73 and the highest was 143. SO the
diet change got him off the insulin shots and now he is a happy
kitty.

That's good. Whey you have numbers like that, you have to deal with the
immediate problem and not some renal problem way in the future.

And in your case, wet food "solved" the problem and phosphorus is not
going to impact the immediate diabetic crisis.

It's good to know that. I might ask what you were feeding your cat
before Fancy Feast. I would really like to know. Dry food? Common type?


Both a variety of all wetfood as their main stay they could free feed on
dry food all types mostly 9 lives Whiskas deli cat dry food. I have
one cat that will only eat dry food and he is fit as a fiddle.
Rumble still free feeds but is not to interested in dry food. I have
changed their dry food type to Purina weight control and health urinary
tract. rumble get fancy feast dry food if he wants a treat

I have no connection with Fancy Feast other than using it to feed picky
eater kitties for 30 some years. I have no study - I am just a kitty
Mommy. I am telling you that my cats live long lives on FF. You can
believe what ever you want. I have been posting to this list for a
number of months. I just found this new Fancy Feast product today.




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Buddy wrote:
I have fed my cats Fancy Feast exclusively for over 20 years. My last
cat was 20 years and 3 months and never had any type of renal problems.
My original question was in regard to the new Elegant Medely from
Fancy Feast - not to go over all the numbers, etc. AGAIN!

What numbers? Give me some numbers. There are no numbers to go over and
I am not calling Purina and waiting three months as the last time for
the phosphorus level of their Healthy Weight Management Forumla.

I was in a focus group that discussed this before Purina ever dumped it
on the market. You say your cat never had any problems in 20 years and
fed exclusively Fancy Feast.

Okay. How do I know that you do not work for Purina's Marketing
Department?

I am skeptical and I do not believe you. But if you have a few seconds,
enlighten me. I am talking generally. I have seen a cat live over 21
years fed dry food garbage. Sure there exists exceptions. And they are
the exceptions.

My cat Gypsy Lee Rose..snubbed her nose at it.
I was disappointed at her for not liking it.
She loves Fancy Feast Tuna and Shrimp dinner. Also...The Sardines and
Crab mix.
I gave her some of the new Meow Mix Tuna and Shrimp in the small packs.
She'd love it.
These cats are so fuzzy.
I spend a lot of money on them too.

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My main "beef" with them is the rather high to intolerably high
phosphorus levels. This is akin to humans and McDonald's and the sky
high fat and salt contents of those junk foods.

You seem to have this backwards from the many posts I have seen on
this NG regarding dry matter analysis. Several flavors have very good
phosphorous levels. Some flavors, I agree aren't that good, but some
are excellent. However I do think the protein levels are little too
high for my 16 year old. He's now on MediCal Reduced Protein (renal
diet).

-mhd

Would you care to explain? How do I have it backwards? Dry matter basis
is the only way to compare foods across the board. Are you sure that
you do not have it "backwards?" We always stress that dry matter basis
is the only way to go. Do not go by As Fed and do not go by Guaranteed.
If you do by As Fed, you convert to dry matter basis by dividing with
the non-moisture content as a whole. This is easy to find because in
the case of FF, it's usually 78% moisture, consequently, 22%
non-moisture.

You misread my post I did not say that your comprehension of dry
matter is backwards, I am saying that you have an opinion of Friskies
that is backwards.

And I'll stand behind what I said, of the 60 types of FF, only 2 meet
my specifications. If you go by Phil P.'s recommendations, you can go
up to 4 or 5.

4 or 5 not good enough for you?

-mhd

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My main "beef" with them is the rather high to intolerably high
phosphorus levels. This is akin to humans and McDonald's and the sky
high fat and salt contents of those junk foods.

You seem to have this backwards from the many posts I have seen on
this NG regarding dry matter analysis. Several flavors have very good
phosphorous levels. Some flavors, I agree aren't that good, but some
are excellent. However I do think the protein levels are little too
high for my 16 year old. He's now on MediCal Reduced Protein (renal
diet).

-mhd

Would you care to explain? How do I have it backwards? Dry matter basis
is the only way to compare foods across the board. Are you sure that
you do not have it "backwards?" We always stress that dry matter basis
is the only way to go. Do not go by As Fed and do not go by Guaranteed.
If you do by As Fed, you convert to dry matter basis by dividing with
the non-moisture content as a whole. This is easy to find because in
the case of FF, it's usually 78% moisture, consequently, 22%
non-moisture.

You misread my post I did not say that your comprehension of dry
matter is backwards, I am saying that you have an opinion of Friskies
that is backwards.

And I'll stand behind what I said, of the 60 types of FF, only 2 meet
my specifications. If you go by Phil P.'s recommendations, you can go
up to 4 or 5.

4 or 5 not good enough for you?

-mhd

I wouldn't take anything "Treeline" says too seriously- he's a tad OCD and
seriously anal. He criticized the The Flintstones as if it was a
documentary. You know the saying "a little knowledge can be dangerous"....

Fanct Feast has makes about a dozen diets that have acceptable to very good
phosphorus levels. These are some of them:

Marinated Beef Feast:.......0.18% (AF) - 0.81% (DMB)
Marinated Chicken Feast:.0.09% (AF) - 0.40% (DMB)
Marinated Salmon Feast:..0.13% (AF) - 0.59% (DMB)
Grilled Chicken Feast:......0.18% (AF) - 0.81% (DMB)
Grilled Turkey Feast:........0.21% (AF) - 0.95% (DMB)
Grilled Tuna Feast:...........0.18% (AF) - 0.81% (DMB)
Minced Beef Feast:..........0.17% (AF) - 0.77% (DMB)
Sliced Beef Feast:............0.17% (AF) - 0.77% (DMB)
Sliced Beef & Giblets Feast: 0.18% (AF) - 0.81% (DMB)
Sliced Chicken Hearts & Liver Feast: 0.21% (AF) - 0.95% (DMB)
Seafood Filets Tuna & Oceanfish in Aspic: 0.16% (AF) - 0.72% (DMB)

Its true most Science Diet products have excellent nutrient values- but it
doesn't matter how perfectly formulated a diet is if the cat won't eat it-
What good are "perfect" nutrient levels if the cat won't eat it and dies of
malnutrition or FHL??? Maybe someday Treeline will learn its more important
to treat the cat than the numbers....

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I don't trust the companies, especially Purina / Nestle which is very
difficult to get these numbers

LOL! I got all the proximate analyses for all their diets in about 30
seconds- If you babble on the phone with the pet food companies as much as
you babble here, I'm amazed if you get any information at all! If I was a
company rep I'd hang up on you after 10 seconds or I'd put you on hold until
I punched out and went home!

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We always stress that dry matter basis
is the only way to go.

Actually, the caloric basis is the only way to go- since the amount of
nutrients that the cat actually receives from the food depends on the amount
of food the cat consumes. The dry matter basis is only used for comparing
nutrient values between canned food and dry food- not the actual amount of
the nutrients the cat consumes. "50% protein DMB" means nothing. You want
to know how many grams of a nutrient a cat actually consumes in a given
amount of food.

Stop confusing people with your mindless anal blabber.

I'm still waiting for one of the major food companies to put out a dry
food without corn and wheat gluten. Purina Pro Plan did, but they
removed it from the line. Iams has a good line but unless you start your
cat on it, for some reason they walk away from the plate.

Is the Elegant Medley line dry or wet food or both?



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Buddy wrote:
Has anyone tried the new Fancy Feast "Elegant Medley" yet? There are
several flavors - but the are 89 cents for a small can!!! I bought
one
today and my boy liked it.

People really love McDonald's - loving food does not equate always with
what's good on a daily basis.

My own experience with Fancy Feast has been rather negative on the
whole. Purina seems more intent on advertising ploys, fonts and what
not, instead of making available exactly what is the analysis of the
food inside.

My main "beef" with them is the rather high to intolerably high
phosphorus levels. This is akin to humans and McDonald's and the sky
high fat and salt contents of those junk foods.

I'm concerned that high phosphorus level may shorten the life of the
cat in the long run. And may be why most cats die around 15 years of
age and die of renal failure.

I prefer moderate phosphorus levels of less than 0.80% on a dry matter
basis. That is 0.80% not "as fed" or "guaranteed" but a "dry matter
basis."

Try getting that information out of Purina / Nestle who make Fancy
Feasts.
It's like pulling teeth and it's not updated so it's not really tracked
that I can determine. In any case, out of the 60 varieties or so, there
are only 2 that I would buy for my cat, Marinated Morsels, Chicken or
Salmon, in Gravy. The other 58 types, give or take a few, they keep
adding and subtracting, I consider expensive garbage. But ubiquitous
garbage, like McDonald's. Clean garbage. Packaged prettily garbage but
garbage for the most part, in my opinion.

Any opinions?

It is wet. I think it is supposed to be "gourmet". I only tried one
can - it was roasted chicken with gravy and garden greens - or
something like that. My cat loved it. They all have some sort of
green vegetable in them. Nice for a treat or for a kitty who doesn't
want to eat.


wrote:
I'm still waiting for one of the major food companies to put out a dry
food without corn and wheat gluten. Purina Pro Plan did, but they
removed it from the line. Iams has a good line but unless you start your
cat on it, for some reason they walk away from the plate.

Is the Elegant Medley line dry or wet food or both?



" wrote in
ups.com:

Buddy wrote:
Has anyone tried the new Fancy Feast "Elegant Medley" yet? There are
several flavors - but the are 89 cents for a small can!!! I bought
one
today and my boy liked it.

People really love McDonald's - loving food does not equate always with
what's good on a daily basis.

My own experience with Fancy Feast has been rather negative on the
whole. Purina seems more intent on advertising ploys, fonts and what
not, instead of making available exactly what is the analysis of the
food inside.

My main "beef" with them is the rather high to intolerably high
phosphorus levels. This is akin to humans and McDonald's and the sky
high fat and salt contents of those junk foods.

I'm concerned that high phosphorus level may shorten the life of the
cat in the long run. And may be why most cats die around 15 years of
age and die of renal failure.

I prefer moderate phosphorus levels of less than 0.80% on a dry matter
basis. That is 0.80% not "as fed" or "guaranteed" but a "dry matter
basis."

Try getting that information out of Purina / Nestle who make Fancy
Feasts.
It's like pulling teeth and it's not updated so it's not really tracked
that I can determine. In any case, out of the 60 varieties or so, there
are only 2 that I would buy for my cat, Marinated Morsels, Chicken or
Salmon, in Gravy. The other 58 types, give or take a few, they keep
adding and subtracting, I consider expensive garbage. But ubiquitous
garbage, like McDonald's. Clean garbage. Packaged prettily garbage but
garbage for the most part, in my opinion.

Any opinions?