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First, I am very sorry that a couple of my posts have brought some
tension here. Most of you here know me, many for years, and know that I would never intentionally cause discord or try to harm the group in any way. This group is very special to me; here, we share laughter and tears, stories and support, and that compassion, caring and understanding is part of what I love about this group. It is sad that not everyone understands what we have here. As Steve said, it's not your posts that have lead to tension. The regulars here all know that Morganna is a lot better off now than she would be if you had not rescued her, even if she does eventually lose her claws. As bad as declawing is, it's a lot better than living life as a stray. I will continue, as I already have, to do the best I can for this sweet little girl. I am not perfect, nor do I expect others to be. I have said it before, and I will say it again. We all do the best we can, given our situations, personalities, resources, etc. And that is all we can do. Rabid judgmentalism has no place in this. It is, after all, about the cats, who are, by the way, not (other than under the law) "property". And no matter what you do - even if you have someone sign a contract - you cannot predict or control what will happen in the future to that cat. I cannot tell you that no cat I ever turned over to a shelter got declawed, although I fervently hope not. And, as Megan well knows, even a signed contract will not necessarily prevent it from happening. We will certainly be purring for that. But in the meanwhile, just know that a lot of us (damn near all of us, I'm sure) admire you for taking the steps necessary to rescue a kitty in need. That is, after all, our goal, isn't it? To move kitties without appropriate homes into better living situations? And being master of loving human family is far better than being an outdoor kitty, even if means eventiually being declawed. And as you said, that is appears to be less than a certain thing yet. Dan |
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First, I am very sorry that a couple of my posts have brought some
tension here. Most of you here know me, many for years, and know that I would never intentionally cause discord or try to harm the group in any way. This group is very special to me; here, we share laughter and tears, stories and support, and that compassion, caring and understanding is part of what I love about this group. It is sad that not everyone understands what we have here. As Steve said, it's not your posts that have lead to tension. The regulars here all know that Morganna is a lot better off now than she would be if you had not rescued her, even if she does eventually lose her claws. As bad as declawing is, it's a lot better than living life as a stray. I will continue, as I already have, to do the best I can for this sweet little girl. I am not perfect, nor do I expect others to be. I have said it before, and I will say it again. We all do the best we can, given our situations, personalities, resources, etc. And that is all we can do. Rabid judgmentalism has no place in this. It is, after all, about the cats, who are, by the way, not (other than under the law) "property". And no matter what you do - even if you have someone sign a contract - you cannot predict or control what will happen in the future to that cat. I cannot tell you that no cat I ever turned over to a shelter got declawed, although I fervently hope not. And, as Megan well knows, even a signed contract will not necessarily prevent it from happening. We will certainly be purring for that. But in the meanwhile, just know that a lot of us (damn near all of us, I'm sure) admire you for taking the steps necessary to rescue a kitty in need. That is, after all, our goal, isn't it? To move kitties without appropriate homes into better living situations? And being master of loving human family is far better than being an outdoor kitty, even if means eventiually being declawed. And as you said, that is appears to be less than a certain thing yet. Dan |
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On a personal note, one I wasn't going to mention, then decided to anyway. I posted Rocky's story recently, sort of how I think he would view his gradual taming from a feral cat to family member. All the responses from the group were positive. However I received an email from someone (who I didn't recognize) wanting to know why the HELL I fed him for years before I took him to be neutered. I read the first paragraph without DL'ing, standard practice when I don't know the sender, then deleted the message. I ask myself sometimes when Rock is laying purring on my lap why didn't I adopt him sooner, but I don't need an obscene (every other word was capitalized profanity) to point out the fact that he and I would have both been better off if the adoption had been accomplished sooner. Jeez. Some people's kids. I don't know, I'd say you have done DAMN good. So has Ginger-Lyn. I'm sorry, but it is NOT a perfect world and we all do not have the knowledge and resources at all times to make things work. I wish it *were* a black and white world because life would be a lot easier, but its. not. |
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On a personal note, one I wasn't going to mention, then decided to anyway. I posted Rocky's story recently, sort of how I think he would view his gradual taming from a feral cat to family member. All the responses from the group were positive. However I received an email from someone (who I didn't recognize) wanting to know why the HELL I fed him for years before I took him to be neutered. I read the first paragraph without DL'ing, standard practice when I don't know the sender, then deleted the message. I ask myself sometimes when Rock is laying purring on my lap why didn't I adopt him sooner, but I don't need an obscene (every other word was capitalized profanity) to point out the fact that he and I would have both been better off if the adoption had been accomplished sooner. Jeez. Some people's kids. I don't know, I'd say you have done DAMN good. So has Ginger-Lyn. I'm sorry, but it is NOT a perfect world and we all do not have the knowledge and resources at all times to make things work. I wish it *were* a black and white world because life would be a lot easier, but its. not. |
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I certainly don't like being preached at.
If someone starts harping on me, I get my hackles up and the more they go on, the less I listen, to the point of being sorely tempted to do the exact thing they don't want me to do, just to spit in their face.... You're a lot like me in that regard. Sherry |
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I certainly don't like being preached at.
If someone starts harping on me, I get my hackles up and the more they go on, the less I listen, to the point of being sorely tempted to do the exact thing they don't want me to do, just to spit in their face.... You're a lot like me in that regard. Sherry |
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Yowie wrote:
I'm an INFP. I can adopt the E and T positions if I either get a head of steam or get my thinking cap on, but I just don't have a drop of S or J blood in me. LOL. Either I'm not as good at typing people as I thought I was, or else it's harder than it seems to try to guess people's types over the Internet. But I would have *definitely* said you were a T, no question about it! Which is not to say that you're not a feeling person (a common mistake people make when learning about Myers-Briggs, ie, that T's are heartless and F's are stupid - NOT TRUE). But you seem like such a logical person, and you seem to come from a place of "but this just makes the most *sense*" about things. Not that I'm trying to tell you you're wrong about yourself, LOL! Just that you come across to me differently than how you see yourself, and I thought you might find that interesting. I'm a dyed-in-the-wool F, and I don't think anyone would make a mistake about that! I waver between E and I depending on the environment and my state of mind. I can be very social and outgoing, but sometimes I find it overwhelming and need to go off and be alone for a while. People often think of me as a P because I'm always late for everything and I'm disorganized and discombobulated a good part of the time. But my true nature is J - that is how I'm happiest. When I'm exhibiting P traits, that means I'm stressed out and can't cope. When I'm on top of things - when things are well-planned, well-structured, and well-running, that means I'm feeling good. I have this prejudice against the "S" designation, as I tend to think it means unimaginative and uncreative. I certainly think of myself as an N because I have a very strong inner life, and I think very abstractly, but whenever I've taken MBTI tests, I come out almost near the middle of that scale. Eeek, the dreaded S!! Joyce |
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Yowie wrote:
I'm an INFP. I can adopt the E and T positions if I either get a head of steam or get my thinking cap on, but I just don't have a drop of S or J blood in me. LOL. Either I'm not as good at typing people as I thought I was, or else it's harder than it seems to try to guess people's types over the Internet. But I would have *definitely* said you were a T, no question about it! Which is not to say that you're not a feeling person (a common mistake people make when learning about Myers-Briggs, ie, that T's are heartless and F's are stupid - NOT TRUE). But you seem like such a logical person, and you seem to come from a place of "but this just makes the most *sense*" about things. Not that I'm trying to tell you you're wrong about yourself, LOL! Just that you come across to me differently than how you see yourself, and I thought you might find that interesting. I'm a dyed-in-the-wool F, and I don't think anyone would make a mistake about that! I waver between E and I depending on the environment and my state of mind. I can be very social and outgoing, but sometimes I find it overwhelming and need to go off and be alone for a while. People often think of me as a P because I'm always late for everything and I'm disorganized and discombobulated a good part of the time. But my true nature is J - that is how I'm happiest. When I'm exhibiting P traits, that means I'm stressed out and can't cope. When I'm on top of things - when things are well-planned, well-structured, and well-running, that means I'm feeling good. I have this prejudice against the "S" designation, as I tend to think it means unimaginative and uncreative. I certainly think of myself as an N because I have a very strong inner life, and I think very abstractly, but whenever I've taken MBTI tests, I come out almost near the middle of that scale. Eeek, the dreaded S!! Joyce |
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Sherry wrote:
I certainly don't like being preached at. If someone starts harping on me, I get my hackles up and the more they go on, the less I listen, to the point of being sorely tempted to do the exact thing they don't want me to do, just to spit in their face.... You're a lot like me in that regard. I think most of us feel that way. Nobody likes to be lectured at, or have it be implied (or sometimes, stated outright) that they are doing things the wrong way, have deep character flaws, or whatever. Joyce |
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Sherry wrote:
I certainly don't like being preached at. If someone starts harping on me, I get my hackles up and the more they go on, the less I listen, to the point of being sorely tempted to do the exact thing they don't want me to do, just to spit in their face.... You're a lot like me in that regard. I think most of us feel that way. Nobody likes to be lectured at, or have it be implied (or sometimes, stated outright) that they are doing things the wrong way, have deep character flaws, or whatever. Joyce |
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