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Interesting topic. I do think white counts as a color. Of course that is a
pretty bold statement to say that tri-color males are steral. There are plenty of tri-colored cats out there that are male and unless you neuter them they can father kittens. Of course you didn't mention what breed you are talking about. I entered my cat Icarus in the HHP category for a CFA cat show this Saturday. When the clerk wanted to know his color, I emailed her a picture of him. He has silver/black tabby markings but when I received my entry she listed him as a brown classic tabby color. I guess this how a lot of tabby colors get classified. -- Cat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "dgk" wrote in message ... I suppose I could check Google but I'm here so... Someone at the cat show said that all tri-color (or tri-colour for my British friends) cats are female, or, if male, are sterile. Seems odd but he was showing his purebreds so maybe he knew what he was talking about. Does white count as a color? |
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In article FJTbd.69219$tU4.2376@okepread06,
enlightened us with... Interesting topic. I do think white counts as a color. Of course that is a pretty bold statement to say that tri-color males are steral. There are plenty of tri-colored cats out there that are male and unless you neuter them they can father kittens. Of course you didn't mention what breed you are talking about. CP - a "true" tricolor, as defined by the cat breed people (whoever made them boss of terms). Generically, a tortoiseshell or calico, with or without white. Tabby and white doesn't qualify as a tricolor. You know - the "logic" of science where they call something a term that isn't entirely accurate. A "true" tricolor has two different expressions of the red gene, which requires 2 X chromosomes. Any male expressing it therefore must be XXY - an anomaly that renders all but 1 in 30 thousand (or some really small number: see site I quoted in my other post) as incapable of producing viable sperm. Thus, they are sterile. Most human males who are XXY (Klinefelter syndrome) are also sterile. Also note that calico and tortoiseshell cats do not have fathers of those color patterns. The father is usually ginger or black. This is color genetics. The mother is often calico and tortoiseshell though. When you find a calico or tortoiseshell male that has sired kittens, let us know. It'd be neat to see. It's very, very rare. -- -- ~kaeli~ The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and three hundred sixty-two admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace |
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Shouldn;t white be considered? I think with the Japanese Bobtail they count
the white as a color. As for being sterile, the only proven meathod of proof of steralization is by neutering. -- Cat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "kaeli" wrote in message ... CP - a "true" tricolor, as defined by the cat breed people (whoever made them boss of terms). Generically, a tortoiseshell or calico, with or without white. Tabby and white doesn't qualify as a tricolor. You know - the "logic" of science where they call something a term that isn't entirely accurate. A "true" tricolor has two different expressions of the red gene, which requires 2 X chromosomes. Any male expressing it therefore must be XXY - an anomaly that renders all but 1 in 30 thousand (or some really small number: see site I quoted in my other post) as incapable of producing viable sperm. Thus, they are sterile. Most human males who are XXY (Klinefelter syndrome) are also sterile. Also note that calico and tortoiseshell cats do not have fathers of those color patterns. The father is usually ginger or black. This is color genetics. The mother is often calico and tortoiseshell though. When you find a calico or tortoiseshell male that has sired kittens, let us know. It'd be neat to see. It's very, very rare. -- -- ~kaeli~ The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and three hundred sixty-two admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace |
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Shouldn;t white be considered? I think with the Japanese Bobtail they count
the white as a color. As for being sterile, the only proven meathod of proof of steralization is by neutering. -- Cat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "kaeli" wrote in message ... CP - a "true" tricolor, as defined by the cat breed people (whoever made them boss of terms). Generically, a tortoiseshell or calico, with or without white. Tabby and white doesn't qualify as a tricolor. You know - the "logic" of science where they call something a term that isn't entirely accurate. A "true" tricolor has two different expressions of the red gene, which requires 2 X chromosomes. Any male expressing it therefore must be XXY - an anomaly that renders all but 1 in 30 thousand (or some really small number: see site I quoted in my other post) as incapable of producing viable sperm. Thus, they are sterile. Most human males who are XXY (Klinefelter syndrome) are also sterile. Also note that calico and tortoiseshell cats do not have fathers of those color patterns. The father is usually ginger or black. This is color genetics. The mother is often calico and tortoiseshell though. When you find a calico or tortoiseshell male that has sired kittens, let us know. It'd be neat to see. It's very, very rare. -- -- ~kaeli~ The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and three hundred sixty-two admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace |
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In article bzUbd.69942$tU4.13893@okepread06,
enlightened us with... Shouldn;t white be considered? I think with the Japanese Bobtail they count the white as a color. Well, they're talking about "tricolor" much like one talks about pinto horses. Pinto horses aren't a breed, it's a color pattern. Tricolor doesn't really mean any old 3 colors. It specifically means 2 shades from the red gene and one from black. So you can get blue/tan "dilute" torties from this as a tricolor. As to the rest of the color patterns, white is a complimentary color or alone. Such as tabby and white, calico and white (technically 4 colors, yet a tricolor), and so on. As for being sterile, the only proven meathod of proof of steralization is by neutering. People, and animals, can have problems with having babies. If sperm is not viable, it can't fertilize an egg. The male tricolors make sperm, but the sperm is usually badly deformed, dead, so to speak, and never makes it to the female's egg. If it does, even then, it rarely fertilizes the egg. Mules, the offspring of horses and donkeys, are always sterile as well. You don't get a mule by breeding two mules. There are many reasons why an animal, including a human, may be unable to bear/produce young. Neutering is the only way of sterilizing a fertile animal. -- -- ~kaeli~ He's your God, they're your rules - you burn in Hell. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace |
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In article bzUbd.69942$tU4.13893@okepread06,
enlightened us with... Shouldn;t white be considered? I think with the Japanese Bobtail they count the white as a color. Well, they're talking about "tricolor" much like one talks about pinto horses. Pinto horses aren't a breed, it's a color pattern. Tricolor doesn't really mean any old 3 colors. It specifically means 2 shades from the red gene and one from black. So you can get blue/tan "dilute" torties from this as a tricolor. As to the rest of the color patterns, white is a complimentary color or alone. Such as tabby and white, calico and white (technically 4 colors, yet a tricolor), and so on. As for being sterile, the only proven meathod of proof of steralization is by neutering. People, and animals, can have problems with having babies. If sperm is not viable, it can't fertilize an egg. The male tricolors make sperm, but the sperm is usually badly deformed, dead, so to speak, and never makes it to the female's egg. If it does, even then, it rarely fertilizes the egg. Mules, the offspring of horses and donkeys, are always sterile as well. You don't get a mule by breeding two mules. There are many reasons why an animal, including a human, may be unable to bear/produce young. Neutering is the only way of sterilizing a fertile animal. -- -- ~kaeli~ He's your God, they're your rules - you burn in Hell. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace |
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Ted Davis wrote in message ... In order to avoid obvious hypocracy, anyone advocating that kind of population explosion, which is what someone objecting to neutering is, in effect, advocating, would have to provide homes for all those cats. I'm not sure Bill Gates could afford to keep a female cat and meet his responsibility for all the offspring for any length of time. Speaking of HOMES, did you know that CATS are perfectly capable of surviving without humans? And did you know, that CATS managed to survive during the time that humans were nomadic? Imagine that. CATS NOT NEEDING HUMANS or their population and choke health care /choke MANipulations! wow T.E.D. ) ??? I *know* you from some other newsgroup... R U a DOS Batcher? SPAM filter: Messages to this address *must* contain "T.E.D." somewhere in the body or they will be automatically rejected. |
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Ted Davis wrote in message ... In order to avoid obvious hypocracy, anyone advocating that kind of population explosion, which is what someone objecting to neutering is, in effect, advocating, would have to provide homes for all those cats. I'm not sure Bill Gates could afford to keep a female cat and meet his responsibility for all the offspring for any length of time. Speaking of HOMES, did you know that CATS are perfectly capable of surviving without humans? And did you know, that CATS managed to survive during the time that humans were nomadic? Imagine that. CATS NOT NEEDING HUMANS or their population and choke health care /choke MANipulations! wow T.E.D. ) ??? I *know* you from some other newsgroup... R U a DOS Batcher? SPAM filter: Messages to this address *must* contain "T.E.D." somewhere in the body or they will be automatically rejected. |
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:01:38 -0700, "Electric Nachos"
wrote: Ted Davis wrote in message ... In order to avoid obvious hypocracy, anyone advocating that kind of population explosion, which is what someone objecting to neutering is, in effect, advocating, would have to provide homes for all those cats. I'm not sure Bill Gates could afford to keep a female cat and meet his responsibility for all the offspring for any length of time. Speaking of HOMES, did you know that CATS are perfectly capable of surviving without humans? And did you know, that CATS managed to survive during the time that humans were nomadic? Imagine that. CATS NOT NEEDING HUMANS or their population and choke health care /choke MANipulations! Those that don't interact with humans obviously are not the topic of this discussion. Those that depend on us for something, if only garbage, are. ??? I *know* you from some other newsgroup... R U a DOS Batcher? Yes. If you know me that well, you also know I bait trolls and other obnoxious users for a round or two, then killfile them. I think it time to killfile you. -- T.E.D. ) |
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