kitten becoming aggressive

"PawsForThought" wrote in message
...
From: "icarus"

My female cat
hits my male cat with her claws in to indicate displeasure so why
shouldn't
you ?

Um, let's see, maybe because a human weighs about 15 times more than the
cat???


stupid argument as (if you read what I was saying) I am not advocating
hurting the cat. If I hit an animal as hard as I could it would be dead and
I am not suggesting it should be hurt at all. No doubt this will be taken
out of context to suggest that I want to kill animals.

"PawsForThought" wrote in message
...
From: "icarus"

My female cat
hits my male cat with her claws in to indicate displeasure so why
shouldn't
you ?

Um, let's see, maybe because a human weighs about 15 times more than the
cat???


stupid argument as (if you read what I was saying) I am not advocating
hurting the cat. If I hit an animal as hard as I could it would be dead and
I am not suggesting it should be hurt at all. No doubt this will be taken
out of context to suggest that I want to kill animals.

"MadHatter" wrote in message
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On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:32:31 +0100, "icarus" wrote:


"Laura R." wrote in
message
. ..
circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:07:59 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
icarus ) said,
For goodness sake, ... hit her. not hard but enough so she knows its
wrong.
cats are amoral, avaricious and aggessive. you have to train them.
gently,
firmly but don't hurt them tho.

It's completely unnecessary to strike a cat to train it.

Laura


so once you have explained to the cat that its wrong and discussed the
morality of hurting others.... what do you do then ? I'm not talking
about
hurting the cat, simply a clear indication of displeasure. My female cat
hits my male cat with her claws in to indicate displeasure so why
shouldn't
you ?


oh, you mean hit in a cat way, ok. that's fine. she is a 2 months old
kitten, though, so she is a child and when plays, gets carried away.

-L

thanks, that's a sensible response and more in keeping with what I was
trying to say. when I suggested the course of action I didn't know the cat
was so young. of course a kitten being socialised of that age doesn't need a
firm hand at all. she's too young to understand.

When she gets a bit older and misbehaves then what I was suggesting was to
flick her with a finger (not to hurt her) to point out that her behaviour is
wrong. When she is an adult and misbehaves I would flick her with several
fingers (again not to hurt her).

Cats are social animals and expect to be part of a pecking order, they
aren't babies. I believe most of the responses on here are from ladies who
believe that they have a baby substitute and not a cat. Watch how cats act
with each other and learn how they treat young ones that misbehave, you
should do the same, its natures way.

"MadHatter" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:32:31 +0100, "icarus" wrote:


"Laura R." wrote in
message
. ..
circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:07:59 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
icarus ) said,
For goodness sake, ... hit her. not hard but enough so she knows its
wrong.
cats are amoral, avaricious and aggessive. you have to train them.
gently,
firmly but don't hurt them tho.

It's completely unnecessary to strike a cat to train it.

Laura


so once you have explained to the cat that its wrong and discussed the
morality of hurting others.... what do you do then ? I'm not talking
about
hurting the cat, simply a clear indication of displeasure. My female cat
hits my male cat with her claws in to indicate displeasure so why
shouldn't
you ?


oh, you mean hit in a cat way, ok. that's fine. she is a 2 months old
kitten, though, so she is a child and when plays, gets carried away.

-L

thanks, that's a sensible response and more in keeping with what I was
trying to say. when I suggested the course of action I didn't know the cat
was so young. of course a kitten being socialised of that age doesn't need a
firm hand at all. she's too young to understand.

When she gets a bit older and misbehaves then what I was suggesting was to
flick her with a finger (not to hurt her) to point out that her behaviour is
wrong. When she is an adult and misbehaves I would flick her with several
fingers (again not to hurt her).

Cats are social animals and expect to be part of a pecking order, they
aren't babies. I believe most of the responses on here are from ladies who
believe that they have a baby substitute and not a cat. Watch how cats act
with each other and learn how they treat young ones that misbehave, you
should do the same, its natures way.

"MadHatter" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:32:31 +0100, "icarus" wrote:


"Laura R." wrote in
message
. ..
circa Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:07:59 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
icarus ) said,
For goodness sake, ... hit her. not hard but enough so she knows its
wrong.
cats are amoral, avaricious and aggessive. you have to train them.
gently,
firmly but don't hurt them tho.

It's completely unnecessary to strike a cat to train it.

Laura


so once you have explained to the cat that its wrong and discussed the
morality of hurting others.... what do you do then ? I'm not talking
about
hurting the cat, simply a clear indication of displeasure. My female cat
hits my male cat with her claws in to indicate displeasure so why
shouldn't
you ?


oh, you mean hit in a cat way, ok. that's fine. she is a 2 months old
kitten, though, so she is a child and when plays, gets carried away.

-L

thanks, that's a sensible response and more in keeping with what I was
trying to say. when I suggested the course of action I didn't know the cat
was so young. of course a kitten being socialised of that age doesn't need a
firm hand at all. she's too young to understand.

When she gets a bit older and misbehaves then what I was suggesting was to
flick her with a finger (not to hurt her) to point out that her behaviour is
wrong. When she is an adult and misbehaves I would flick her with several
fingers (again not to hurt her).

Cats are social animals and expect to be part of a pecking order, they
aren't babies. I believe most of the responses on here are from ladies who
believe that they have a baby substitute and not a cat. Watch how cats act
with each other and learn how they treat young ones that misbehave, you
should do the same, its natures way.

"Laura R." wrote in message
.. .
circa Fri, 25 Jun 2004 03:04:06 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
icarus ) said,

thanks, that's a sensible response and more in keeping with what I was
trying to say. when I suggested the course of action I didn't know the
cat
was so young. of course a kitten being socialised of that age doesn't
need a
firm hand at all. she's too young to understand.

When she gets a bit older and misbehaves then what I was suggesting was
to
flick her with a finger (not to hurt her) to point out that her
behaviour is
wrong. When she is an adult and misbehaves I would flick her with
several
fingers (again not to hurt her).

Cats are social animals and expect to be part of a pecking order, they
aren't babies. I believe most of the responses on here are from ladies
who
believe that they have a baby substitute and not a cat. Watch how cats
act
with each other and learn how they treat young ones that misbehave, you
should do the same, its natures way.

No, the responses here are from people who were actually paying
attention, unlike you.


Why should I be paying attention to threads that I haven't read ? I was
responding to a single thread and not all of them.



Cats are cats. They are not people. Despite your attempts to make it
sound as though you're smack in the midst of a bunch of nutty 'cat
ladies', you are, quite simply, wrong, offensive and out of line.
Grow up.

Laura

I have explained my reasoning and advice in great detail. My point is very
simple, if a cat misbehaves it is a good idea to chastise it in a manner
which it is familiar with from its own mother. I am amazed that you don't
deny that cats exhibit this behaviour amongst themselves but state that
somehow its wrong if the owner and therefore adopted pack does.

Your statement that cats are not people is very much in line with my view.
Its your choice in attacking the individual and not discussing the viewpoint
itself. Mind you if you had a rational explanation to justify your position
you would have used it. Just saying something is wrong and shouldn't EVER
(bold characters for dramatic effect) happen is not a rational discussion.

"Laura R." wrote in message
.. .
circa Fri, 25 Jun 2004 03:04:06 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
icarus ) said,

thanks, that's a sensible response and more in keeping with what I was
trying to say. when I suggested the course of action I didn't know the
cat
was so young. of course a kitten being socialised of that age doesn't
need a
firm hand at all. she's too young to understand.

When she gets a bit older and misbehaves then what I was suggesting was
to
flick her with a finger (not to hurt her) to point out that her
behaviour is
wrong. When she is an adult and misbehaves I would flick her with
several
fingers (again not to hurt her).

Cats are social animals and expect to be part of a pecking order, they
aren't babies. I believe most of the responses on here are from ladies
who
believe that they have a baby substitute and not a cat. Watch how cats
act
with each other and learn how they treat young ones that misbehave, you
should do the same, its natures way.

No, the responses here are from people who were actually paying
attention, unlike you.


Why should I be paying attention to threads that I haven't read ? I was
responding to a single thread and not all of them.



Cats are cats. They are not people. Despite your attempts to make it
sound as though you're smack in the midst of a bunch of nutty 'cat
ladies', you are, quite simply, wrong, offensive and out of line.
Grow up.

Laura

I have explained my reasoning and advice in great detail. My point is very
simple, if a cat misbehaves it is a good idea to chastise it in a manner
which it is familiar with from its own mother. I am amazed that you don't
deny that cats exhibit this behaviour amongst themselves but state that
somehow its wrong if the owner and therefore adopted pack does.

Your statement that cats are not people is very much in line with my view.
Its your choice in attacking the individual and not discussing the viewpoint
itself. Mind you if you had a rational explanation to justify your position
you would have used it. Just saying something is wrong and shouldn't EVER
(bold characters for dramatic effect) happen is not a rational discussion.

"Laura R." wrote in message
.. .
circa Fri, 25 Jun 2004 03:04:06 +0100, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
icarus ) said,

thanks, that's a sensible response and more in keeping with what I was
trying to say. when I suggested the course of action I didn't know the
cat
was so young. of course a kitten being socialised of that age doesn't
need a
firm hand at all. she's too young to understand.

When she gets a bit older and misbehaves then what I was suggesting was
to
flick her with a finger (not to hurt her) to point out that her
behaviour is
wrong. When she is an adult and misbehaves I would flick her with
several
fingers (again not to hurt her).

Cats are social animals and expect to be part of a pecking order, they
aren't babies. I believe most of the responses on here are from ladies
who
believe that they have a baby substitute and not a cat. Watch how cats
act
with each other and learn how they treat young ones that misbehave, you
should do the same, its natures way.

No, the responses here are from people who were actually paying
attention, unlike you.


Why should I be paying attention to threads that I haven't read ? I was
responding to a single thread and not all of them.



Cats are cats. They are not people. Despite your attempts to make it
sound as though you're smack in the midst of a bunch of nutty 'cat
ladies', you are, quite simply, wrong, offensive and out of line.
Grow up.

Laura

I have explained my reasoning and advice in great detail. My point is very
simple, if a cat misbehaves it is a good idea to chastise it in a manner
which it is familiar with from its own mother. I am amazed that you don't
deny that cats exhibit this behaviour amongst themselves but state that
somehow its wrong if the owner and therefore adopted pack does.

Your statement that cats are not people is very much in line with my view.
Its your choice in attacking the individual and not discussing the viewpoint
itself. Mind you if you had a rational explanation to justify your position
you would have used it. Just saying something is wrong and shouldn't EVER
(bold characters for dramatic effect) happen is not a rational discussion.

In article , enlightened
us with...

Your statement that cats are not people is very much in line with my view.
Its your choice in attacking the individual and not discussing the viewpoint
itself. Mind you if you had a rational explanation to justify your position
you would have used it. Just saying something is wrong and shouldn't EVER
(bold characters for dramatic effect) happen is not a rational discussion.


devil's advocate
So, I need to jusify that murder is wrong with rationality? I can't just
say it is morally wrong in and of itself? How about child abuse? Do I
need to justify that beating a child is just plain wrong? How about
those people that dragged a dog behind their car? Do we need to explain
to them why that's aborrhent or can we tell them they're sick f***s?
/devil's advocate

Note that I think there is a huge difference between flicking a cat's
nose and hitting it and am not going into *that* whole debate. *g*

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In article , enlightened
us with...

Your statement that cats are not people is very much in line with my view.
Its your choice in attacking the individual and not discussing the viewpoint
itself. Mind you if you had a rational explanation to justify your position
you would have used it. Just saying something is wrong and shouldn't EVER
(bold characters for dramatic effect) happen is not a rational discussion.


devil's advocate
So, I need to jusify that murder is wrong with rationality? I can't just
say it is morally wrong in and of itself? How about child abuse? Do I
need to justify that beating a child is just plain wrong? How about
those people that dragged a dog behind their car? Do we need to explain
to them why that's aborrhent or can we tell them they're sick f***s?
/devil's advocate

Note that I think there is a huge difference between flicking a cat's
nose and hitting it and am not going into *that* whole debate. *g*

--
--
~kaeli~
No one is listening until you make a mistake.
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace