Toilet training ??

In article , Troy
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Five Cats wrote in message
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It is not illegal to own firearms in the UK, but they all have to be
licensed so there are far fewer of them per head, and almost no legal
weapons in towns. the incidence of firearms crime is much, much lower in
the UK than the US probably as a direct result of there being no 'right
to bear arms'.

Oh come, come Five Cats - the US only has about 5000% more gun deaths
than other first world nations.

Isn't '5000%' just another way of saying 'much lower'?


Foxes are not a threat to a healthy adult cat (there was a cute film on
TV once of a cat seeing off a fox) - the foxes we have here are pretty
small animals - and badgers are not common in most areas. I suspect
that badgers and cats, and foxes and cats, simply ignore each other most
of the time. Animals I consider more dangerous than foxes or badgers
are Pine Martens, Mink and possibly Otters. All nasty, well-armed,
athletic and well able to do damage to cats. However all are also just
about unknown in urban situations and rare in most of the countryside.

I remember when I was living in the UK that my cats weren't phased at
all by foxes. One cold winter night I looked out my back window to see
one of my cats sitting on the top of the fence about 1 metre away from
him there was a fox - they were both just sitting watching the
night...

Busy ignoring each other...


Troy.

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Five Cats

In article , Troy
writes
Five Cats wrote in message
...
It is not illegal to own firearms in the UK, but they all have to be
licensed so there are far fewer of them per head, and almost no legal
weapons in towns. the incidence of firearms crime is much, much lower in
the UK than the US probably as a direct result of there being no 'right
to bear arms'.

Oh come, come Five Cats - the US only has about 5000% more gun deaths
than other first world nations.

Isn't '5000%' just another way of saying 'much lower'?


Foxes are not a threat to a healthy adult cat (there was a cute film on
TV once of a cat seeing off a fox) - the foxes we have here are pretty
small animals - and badgers are not common in most areas. I suspect
that badgers and cats, and foxes and cats, simply ignore each other most
of the time. Animals I consider more dangerous than foxes or badgers
are Pine Martens, Mink and possibly Otters. All nasty, well-armed,
athletic and well able to do damage to cats. However all are also just
about unknown in urban situations and rare in most of the countryside.

I remember when I was living in the UK that my cats weren't phased at
all by foxes. One cold winter night I looked out my back window to see
one of my cats sitting on the top of the fence about 1 metre away from
him there was a fox - they were both just sitting watching the
night...

Busy ignoring each other...


Troy.

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Five Cats

In article , Shazza
writes
snip

My entire open doorway from the kitchen to the dining room is filled with
boxes.
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The boxes, the boxes....

I moved in January and still have a couple I've not unpacked - one is
mostly full of rosettes from cat shows and the other has the record deck
in. The unpacked boxes went to a friend who was about to move and he
has a dozen or so of them in his garage. He moved in May I think.

Do they breed if you leave them near each other? If they do I reckon
they fill themselves with the stuff one thought one threw out when one
moved!


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Five Cats

In article , Shazza
writes
snip

My entire open doorway from the kitchen to the dining room is filled with
boxes.
snip

The boxes, the boxes....

I moved in January and still have a couple I've not unpacked - one is
mostly full of rosettes from cat shows and the other has the record deck
in. The unpacked boxes went to a friend who was about to move and he
has a dozen or so of them in his garage. He moved in May I think.

Do they breed if you leave them near each other? If they do I reckon
they fill themselves with the stuff one thought one threw out when one
moved!


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Five Cats

In the Netherlands indoor as well as indoor/outdoor cats exist. My two cats
started off as indoors, but after I moved I have a small garden to share
with them. And now I sometimes have a hard time getting them back in the
house when I leave or go to sleep. (I would hate it when the cats are
outside, unable to get in, while it would start raining.... argh Dutch
climate ;-) )

The cats can even leave the garden and roam around the neighborhood (more
gardens), which they do. In theory, cars would pose a big threat to them
(there's a awful lot of traffic here), but scince they're terrified of all
the traffic noise I don't really have to worry about that. ;-)

How long my cats are going to live, I don't know. They're my first and are
now 3 years old... (Glad to know they have at least 7 to go, thanks folks
;-) )

Martijn.

"Five Cats" schreef in bericht
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In article , dgk
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:57:02 -0500, victoria
wrote:


It has been proven, and any decent vet will back this up, that a
strictly outdoor cat has the aversage lifespan of 10 years while an
outrdoor/indoor 15 years and an indoor cat 20 years. this is due to
the fact they are not having to stress themselves out over teritory or
scrap in fights with each other for territory,food or mating rights.
All my cats have been rescued strays and love being indooors,to th
point of not even wanting outdoors at all-garage a different
story.LOL!


I agree with your general point but can't believe those numbers. An
indoor cat has an average lifespan of 20 years? No way. Most cats are
dead by 12 or 13, even indoor ones, according to my vet. And that is
my experience also.

And I would think that a strictly outdoor cat would have a lifespan of
much less than 10 years.

Do you mean a cat that doesn't have an owner (that's the only kind of
'strictly outdoor' cat I can think of - a feral)? If so it's hardly
surprising it doesn't live as long as a cat with an owner. In the UK
most cats are indoor/outoor (e.g. they come and go more or less as they
please) and live as long on average as indoor only cats.

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Five Cats

In the Netherlands indoor as well as indoor/outdoor cats exist. My two cats
started off as indoors, but after I moved I have a small garden to share
with them. And now I sometimes have a hard time getting them back in the
house when I leave or go to sleep. (I would hate it when the cats are
outside, unable to get in, while it would start raining.... argh Dutch
climate ;-) )

The cats can even leave the garden and roam around the neighborhood (more
gardens), which they do. In theory, cars would pose a big threat to them
(there's a awful lot of traffic here), but scince they're terrified of all
the traffic noise I don't really have to worry about that. ;-)

How long my cats are going to live, I don't know. They're my first and are
now 3 years old... (Glad to know they have at least 7 to go, thanks folks
;-) )

Martijn.

"Five Cats" schreef in bericht
...
In article , dgk
writes
On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:57:02 -0500, victoria
wrote:


It has been proven, and any decent vet will back this up, that a
strictly outdoor cat has the aversage lifespan of 10 years while an
outrdoor/indoor 15 years and an indoor cat 20 years. this is due to
the fact they are not having to stress themselves out over teritory or
scrap in fights with each other for territory,food or mating rights.
All my cats have been rescued strays and love being indooors,to th
point of not even wanting outdoors at all-garage a different
story.LOL!


I agree with your general point but can't believe those numbers. An
indoor cat has an average lifespan of 20 years? No way. Most cats are
dead by 12 or 13, even indoor ones, according to my vet. And that is
my experience also.

And I would think that a strictly outdoor cat would have a lifespan of
much less than 10 years.

Do you mean a cat that doesn't have an owner (that's the only kind of
'strictly outdoor' cat I can think of - a feral)? If so it's hardly
surprising it doesn't live as long as a cat with an owner. In the UK
most cats are indoor/outoor (e.g. they come and go more or less as they
please) and live as long on average as indoor only cats.

--
Five Cats

"M.C. Mullen" wrote in message
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I have heard and read that *outdoor* cats live longer...unless they're
involved in an accident of course.

LOL this is a bit like saying that men live longer then women... unless they
die first, of course.

"M.C. Mullen" wrote in message
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I have heard and read that *outdoor* cats live longer...unless they're
involved in an accident of course.

LOL this is a bit like saying that men live longer then women... unless they
die first, of course.

"Five Cats" wrote in message
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In article , Michelle
Fulton writes
"Chris Street" wrote in message
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Rattlesnakes, coyotes and firearms would be three.

Is it illegal to own firearms in the UK? Do badgers or foxes ever attach
cats, or are cats too fast for them?

It is not illegal to own firearms in the UK, but they all have to be
licensed so there are far fewer of them per head, and almost no legal
weapons in towns. the incidence of firearms crime is much, much lower in
the UK than the US probably as a direct result of there being no 'right
to bear arms'.

Nah, it's just because you Brits just can't hit what yer shootin' at, Chris.
Same reason we whooped y'all butts twice in a row about 200-odd years ago
;-)

"Five Cats" wrote in message
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In article , Michelle
Fulton writes
"Chris Street" wrote in message
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Rattlesnakes, coyotes and firearms would be three.

Is it illegal to own firearms in the UK? Do badgers or foxes ever attach
cats, or are cats too fast for them?

It is not illegal to own firearms in the UK, but they all have to be
licensed so there are far fewer of them per head, and almost no legal
weapons in towns. the incidence of firearms crime is much, much lower in
the UK than the US probably as a direct result of there being no 'right
to bear arms'.

Nah, it's just because you Brits just can't hit what yer shootin' at, Chris.
Same reason we whooped y'all butts twice in a row about 200-odd years ago
;-)