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There's Something About Mary
As a witness to the destruction and devistation that occurred
years ago in rec.gardens.roses, I was quite interested to see what was happening when I was made aware that an eerily similar situation was happening in some of the cat groups. It only took a few moments to verify that the poster responsible for all of the garbage in the cats groups is the very same troll that invaded the rose group so long ago. These facts are posted as a public service so that you know what you're dealing with, especially if you plan on complaining to "Mary's" ISPs. *ALL* of the following information is public domain and was very easy to find. Mary S aka Nancy Carter Moore (and many more Usenet IDs, as you'll see) is a seasoned Usenet troll. You be the judge. This information is being shared with you to let you know that her mission since 1998 is to destroy newsgroups. Particularly groups in the Big Eight hierarchy. She has a problem with groups that she feels are a social group and sets out to make it her own private chat by bringing in troll friends to destroy it. If you've been reading this group for any length of time, the perpetrator should be obvious. She has already threatened to do the same thing to rec.pets.cats.anecdotes and rec.food.cooking now that she's been successful in rec.pets.cats.health&behav, and before that, rec.gardens.roses. Her antics in 2 Big Eight groups over what looks to be the last few years (rec.pets.cats.health+behav & rec.pets.cats.anecdotes) have resulted in history repeating itself. Nancy's only goal is to disrupt, turn regular posters against one another, and make the groups unreadable. She thrives on discontent and hatred. It seems that Nancy found this hard to do in rpca because it appears that the regulars have a "different" -and EFFECTIVE- way of dealing with trolls, and it seems she was actually liked by a few (who apparently hadn't seen the vicious side she showed on the other cat group). In rpch&b this obviously hasn't been the case. Since rpch&b looks to be borderline volatile, it was easy for her to disrupt by making "friends" with those who agree with her and making enemies of those she decides not to approve of, bring in outside troll friends, and then set in motion the wheels that spin her hatred, anger and unhappy life even more. This behavior is the same behavior that she's exhibited for years, as is evident in the quotes here. The links that follow prove that Mary has posted under numerous names, email addresses and accounts over the last several years. Some of "Mary"/Nancy's IDs and sock puppets. There are probably many mo Mary: Celeste Meadowbrook / Joan Hunter: http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2C536D6B Shiva: http://makeashorterlink.com/?T1572117B lid Some of the links referenced below prove her identity based on the content of what she's posted, some prove it because of the common phrases she uses no matter "who" she is posting as. She delights in posting personal information of others and seems to think she is untouchable with regard to her own personal information. Her's are all listed at the bottom of this article. The following links are irrefutable evidence that Mary, Celeste, Shiva, Joan, etc are all really Nancy Carter Moore trolling Usenet under different names for literally years. ***Disclaimer*** All cited references from Google are linked using the service of makeashorterlink.com. If you click a link, you have the opportunity to close the window before the final source URL is loaded. ***/Disclaimer*** --------------------------------------- These are some very recent threats made by Mary aka Nancy Carter Moore. Hiding behind anonymous news servers doesn't make one as anonymous as one might think, though it may make them bold enough to make threats like these: http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1E42517B From: "Mary" Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav References: ThFAe.113936$yV4.97240@okepread03 Subject: In Support of Monica Towle, Animal Abuse Advocate Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:12:12 -0400 Message-ID: There is not much I can do, but I tend to be resourceful so the parties involved may rest assured that I will do everything I can to see that this intolerable, cruel, and abusive situation is resolved as soon as possible. Happily, the identities of the parties involved are a matter of public record. Dan Mahoney, his wife Nancy Mahoney, and Monica Towles will be held responsible for what happens to this cat. --------end copy&paste---------- Another recent threat http://makeashorterlink.com/?X3F42317B From: "Mary" Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.anecdotes Subject: Don't be fooled... Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:20:59 -0400 Message-ID: Those of you who are telling me to "take this offline" had better think about what you are saying. It really is not a good idea. --------end copy&paste---------- Now she is threatening to destroy rec.pets.cats.anecdotes - a perfectly friendly group; an anomaly on Usenet - by bringing in newly created troublemakers and a few old troll friends. http://makeashorterlink.com/?R2053417B From: "Mary" Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav,rec.pets.cats.anecdotes Subject: Conan adopted by triple-PhD family with 12,000 sq. ft. home! Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 15:53:48 -0400 Message-ID: "Candace" wrote in message oups.com... Charlie Wilkes wrote: That is the issue that gives rise to my continuing interest in Dan's Usenet career. Rather than be upset, I think it is better just to hang out in RPCA and warn newbies about what a ****head Dan is. It will be fun and entertaining. Only problem with that is there are hardly any newbies in the Stepford Group. Their clique-y-ness and inside jokes/info make it user-unfriendly to most new people who venture in there. But you know, this could change. It may be time for it to change. It is never good for people to get to proprietary over newsgroups. One would not want the sweet people at anecdotes to truly believe that they have a right to control the content of the group. That would not be fair to them. It would only mean a ruder awakening later on. There are, after all, anecdotes about cats in many groups. We wouldn't want the rpca folks to miss any. Another thought: when they post recipes, I think we should share them with the cooking groups! We could make many more people happy this way! Spreading happiness is a good thing. I am feeling happier already. --------end copy&paste---------- History The groups that Mary, I mean Nancy has trolled are varied and diverse, including rec.gardens.roses, alt.suicide.holiday, alt.hahaha, alt.genealogy. Her "home" group was alt.troll. How did this outing get started? Read the following post and you'll see how Mary outed herself. Her beloved Gnarly is now over the rainbow bridge, but Buddha is alive and well. Remember the name of her friend Suzanne. It will be important later: http://makeashorterlink.com/?D1F551D6B From: Celeste Subject: Roses from Paradise Date: 1999/10/28 Message-ID: #1/1 Newsgroups: rec.gardens.roses Hey, Suzanne, I'm amazed, Scentimental, Octoberfest, Nicole and Jude the Obscure all arrived this morning, and you just mailed them Tues. afternoon!! They are in great shape, all handling parties apparently heeded your "this end up" commands, and they will be in the ground by Saturday morning. (I have meetings and a lonnng fundraiser/dinner tonight, but they get first priority tomorrow.) Buddha and Gnarly thank you for the gourmet tidbits, also. By the way, did you know that you left one of your bakery aprons in the bottom of the box? I'm guessing that was a chocolate eclair day? --------end copy&paste---------- "Mary" got her start posting to alt.hahaha in 1998 as Nancy Carter, her real name, well, maiden name. Here under her real name are also her first posts to the genealogy groups -- alt.genealogy.methods and alt.genealogy. Her work is research for genealogy. At first glance she seems like a pleasant poster. There are too many of her posts to go through during the brief months that she posted as Nancy Carter to see exactly why she wasn't considered a pleasant poster, but notice that many other members have decided that her behavior is trollish: http://makeashorterlink.com/?X14523D6B Even after changing Usenet names a year later, she still frequented alt.hahaha as "Celeste" with the same venomous attitude and sociopath behavior. --------------------------------------- Here we find her learning how to troll on alt.troll: http://makeashorterlink.com/?S45523D6B -------------------------------------------- We know she's a genealogy weenie from her posting history in the genealogy newsgroups. Nancy's resume: http://genealogypro.com/nfcarter.html which now redirects to the current ad): http://genealogypro.com/ncmoore.html If this has been removed, try archive.org: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://.../nfcarter.html ------------------------------------------- Here is a previous outing of Nancy Carter Moore from the archives. Yes, she's been at this for years. http://makeashorterlink.com/?L18523D6B From: News Reader Subject: Disruptive Troll Warning! Date: 2000/04/17 Message-ID: #1/1 Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday In article , Celeste wrote: News Reader wrote: Be nice or I will take away your meds. Would they be the ones that Nancy's on? You remember Nancy, Nancy Carter, Nancy Carter Moore, (when she forgets to take the "celeste-type meds"?) Oh!! You have me! That's me, all right. Oy! Yeah, you never should have posted from those "clear" AT&T modems in Raleigh back in March. Eventually you all trip yourselves up (even changing to your married name in, oh, when was it? March, April 98?) --------end copy&paste---------- http://makeashorterlink.com/?N57512D6B "Part 1: After kicking the rose people, the 'fat' people, the cat people, the teeny-bopper people, the wienie-chopper people, the comedy people, the suicide people, the troll people, the depressed people, and only DEJA knows what OTHER people for year after year.....and THEN being OUTED....then being EXPOSED...........then being DRAGGED OUT from the wall of altopia anonymity you are still PATHETICALLY CLINGING TO, you cannot just one day come clean and ALL IS FORGIVEN just because you tell STILL ANOTHER LIE. No, Madame Bitterfly, things don't work that way. The chickens have come home to roost!!! " --------end copy&paste---------- Trolling suicidal people is another of Nancy's favorite pasttimes: While ASH isn't a suicide support group, it is frequented by teens and others that are either suicidal, or curious about the act. "Celeste" has been quoted as "egging on" a suicidal person to complete the act. There are many more like this one: http://makeashorterlink.com/?L2A512D6B From: Celeste Subject: Suicide partner Date: 2000/02/09 Message-ID: #1/1 Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday Hello a.s.h. readers, This is my first posting to this newsgroup, so if this message is inappropriate for this group, please accept my apologies. Also, this message is only for people determined to kill themselves, so if this is not your desire, you can stop reading now. I am planning on committing suicide, and I've been thinking about this for quite some time (years), it's not some impulse decision. But, and this may sound a bit bizarre to some I guess, I would like to do this together with someone else. So, if someone else has similar wishes, please get in touch with me. I live in Norway, so it would be best if you live somewhere near (by this I mean Northern Europe, I am willing to do some travelling / alternatively pay for your ticket to get here, if funds are tight) Any serious replies are welcome, send me a mail and we can arrange it. Do-gooders and trolls, save yourself the trouble and go on to the next posting. Yours, Dan You are really ****ed up, and a wusssssss, too. --------end copy&paste---------- After doing some digging I discovered that she resumed her trolling to the genealogy groups as Genjunkie and Mary. Near the end of the genealogy group era when she was basically "ignored" out, she found the cat groups and posted for a while as Mary but when she lost her Road Runner account, changed it to Mary , and then later to her current ID as Mary and there was even a SPAM block in the domain to make it just for a little mix. Mary S is for Mary Smith, her husband (Mark) is referred to as John Smith. How cute. ------------------------------------- Sex change? Check it out!!1!! http://makeashorterlink.com/?M2B525D6B http://makeashorterlink.com/?R29512D6B --------------------------------------- From: (Tsunam5724) Subject: Message for Theoni Kallandra Date: 1999/07/05 Message-ID: #1/1 Newsgroups: alt.support.srs Seven wrote: I am sorry to hear of your troubles. I don't know if it is or isn't the same Celeste that used to post here, but if it is, you should know that she won the KoTm award last July or August (usenet Kook of the Month). heheh, that news does not surprise us in the least. And believe me, it _is_ the very same Celeste - we've read through a number of her posts on this group (under the screen name), and can verify this is the same person - well versed, but totally crazy. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It's incredible how such an insane person as this "Celeste" can actually be permitted to give advice to new transexual's. IMO, the last thing people need...those who are struggling with identity problems or whatever....is an insane creature such as "Celeste" in their life. Anyway, Seven - we thank you for your help and concern. --------end copy&paste---------- Nancy and her troll friends have often been the subject of conversations at the NANAU news group. http://makeashorterlink.com/?H2E542D6B From: Rebecca Ore Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet Subject: Another Hipcrime flood... Date: 29 May 2001 12:31:53 -0400 "Any one who goes in and deliberately infuriates people and does so for years on end, I really don't have a whole lot of sympathy if it leaks out beyond usenet. Growing roses is part of the real lives of the people in rec.gardens.roses. Some of them are Usenet saavy; most are not. They're not interested in playing flamer games; they're interested in meeting other rose group people. Someone decided a group dedicated to discussing roses was so rude to her that she had to destroy it. And has been so obscessed with the group that she's hammered on it for over two years. The people I know think that the one thing that keeps the stalking from becoming something like David D'Amato's stalking is that they do know who the person is in RL." I don't I blame them for thinking this. They're not despammers, they're not abuse fighters, they don't hang out in the flame groups. They didn't volunteer to have their lives invaded by the levels of crap they've had hit them. If someone wanted to vandalize their newsgroup for years on end, would it stop with just vandalizing their Usenet space, or would this go to vandalizing more than that? And why should they believe in flamer ethics? Maybe the boundaries were firmer than they thought, but I believe this person was capable of going further. Given that the person has decided she had the right to destroy a Usenet Big Eight group because people who were using it at a given point in time were rude to her, I can see why they might have worried that the activities wouldn't stop with binary floods, text floods, and, as it appears, NewsAgent runs. If a person is willing to back away from condoning these things, stops posting addresses of people and their spouses, and plays better, even if not completely nice, I am in favor of giving them additional chances. But "I'm going to run NewsAgent here because they were rude to me" isn't acceptable to me. --------end copy&paste---------- Some very good advice from NANAU. Any group that Nancy becomes involved in turns into a troll haven. Now, 5 years later, RGR hasn't really recovered from the mess it was when Nancy was actively involved. Do you want the cat groups to become like that? Read the whole thread. Good read. http://makeashorterlink.com/?T2945617B From: Rebecca Ore Subject: Whatever you call it, how can we stop it? Date: 2000/07/31 Message-ID: #1/1 Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet Stephen K. Gielda writes: [Stephen's full post is pasted in because it's important here] If you post headers I'm sure someone will translate them for you. But I poked my head into that newsgroup and from what it looks like you will never get rid of them. The reason: No one can sit on their fingers and ignore them, everyone has to respond. What that does is escalate it and invite more trolls. It's so bad it is hard to tell who is trolling who and I'm sure that is what any isp you complain too is going to see. If you want it to stop you have to get the group to stop responding. It's amazing, a simple concept but so many groups are truly incapable of not responding. For that they bring it on themselves. Rec.garden.roses is one of the most studied news groups by trollogists and trolls of any on Usenet. I've seen 5 page reports on the dynamics there. The irony is that a group of rosarians decided that the place was their social home, not a place for random strangers to ask newbie questions about roses. Discussions of everyone's pets were preferable to having messy neos tracking around the place. Running neos off worked until one proved to be a troll with roses. The group worked very hard to get its new playmates, and was told from the beginning (last year) that the only cure was to not respond to trolls and not to run off newbies who were interrupting their conversations about their golf games to ask rose questions. -- Rebecca Ore http://www.ogoense.net --------end copy&paste---------- Here, one of Nancy's sock puppets lies and tries to OUT her "good friend" Suzanne as being "Celeste", aka Nancy Carter Moore. (more roses?) has obviously either posted x-no-archive, or cancelled the post, but it is quoted, ironically, by Shiva, another NCM sock puppet. Suzanne is allegedly the one who outed Nancy because she had her mailing address and real name when she sent Nancy a package containing the roses and the treats for Gnarly and Buddha. This post shows that NCM will stop at nothing, including making false accusations to get revenge. http://makeashorterlink.com/?P20611D6B From: Subject: Here She Is! Date: 2000/08/07 Message-ID: #1/1 Newsgroups: rec.gardens.roses,alt.troll,alt.suicide.holiday,al t.usenet.kooks On Sun, 06 Aug 2000 22:05:24 -0400, wrote: Here's the bored, drunk housewife who wrecked rgr: Suzanne Thompson XXX W. J. Street, [HIDDEN] IL, XXXXX tel.: XXX-XXX-XXXX She used to post under the name "Celeste," and duped a bunch of suicidal people into harassing one Nancy Carter Moore by posting in her name. Now this is a bitch. Tell Dan what you think! Danny boy hates her guts, but he hires the handicapped. Call and tell him what you think about what his wife Suzanne has done to rgr. More to come What does this have to do with trolling? YOU are OT. Now **** off. --------end copy&paste---------- Do Suzanne's words sound familiar? Anyone? http://makeashorterlink.com/?F32815E6B From: (Silvirado) Subject: OT Date: 2000/05/12 Message-ID: #1/1 Newsgroups: rec.gardens.roses From: Rob & Laura Porter I just (sob) want to read about roses and garden-stuff (wail), please don't send me away...... : ( Nobody is sending you away. They are trying to let you know that by chatting with Celeste, you prolong the game. And we are all tired of the game. Laura -- besides, what do I care if Celeste likes fat men or kinky sex, or harassing people on a newsgroup called alt.suicide.holiday? As Regina said, it IS understandable that you don't know or care about the background here, that doesn't make it go away! This woman has divided friends, hurt people and trashed this NG for over a year. So it matters to us. Just skip the posts regarding the matter if they bore you, and do stick around, Suzanne --------end copy&paste---------- Allegations of threats in private email: http://makeashorterlink.com/?P3B722E6B From: "News" Subject: VRS t-shirt? Date: 2000/05/16 Message-ID: #1/1 Newsgroups: rec.gardens.roses Nancy Carter Moore aka Celeste (formerly ) wrote in message ... she is was able to disturb you.. only a year after date??? Tell me, Guido, exactly what am I doing? Hmmm? Really now, I want someone to spell it out. What am I doing Except talking about roses? The answer is even more amazing, my friend. But you know that. GUIDO! I got some private email threats I was wondering if you'd take a look at for me. Apparently, Nancy's latest ploy... dazzler --------end copy&paste---------- Same thread, Mary, I mean Celeste, I mean Nancy Carter Moore changes the subject line to ask Guido about his recently deceased father in an effort to upset him. The "nicey nice tone" is phony. Read it all in context. Be sure to read more of that thread and find out that "Mary"/Nancy was named Governor's Appointee to Historical Commission. I wonder if they know about her other life as an Internet Troll? http://makeashorterlink.com/?O3C741E6B From: Celeste Subject: Ot Guido's Dad Date: 2000/05/19 Message-ID: #1/1 Newsgroups: rec.gardens.roses "Guido J. van den Elshout" wrote: Alice Flores wrote: In article , Celeste wrote: What's the matter, Guido? ***** Nothing is the matter. Guido's just taking your advice and "using his head." :-) How are you and your family coping without your father, Guido? Has the pain eased somewhat? I hope so. --------end copy&paste---------- One of her troll friends from ASH comes to RGR to help her troll the group (anonymous COTSE trolls are always around when Celeste is around. Sound familiar?) http://makeashorterlink.com/?C1E726E6B From: "wicker" Subject: Ping Celeste Date: 2000/05/24 Message-ID: #1/1 Newsgroups: rec.gardens.roses Celeste, I do hope you are planning on returning to alt.suicide.holiday. Our work there is not finished. I'm looking forward to your posts. ----- All hail to wicker, King of Pickle up His Butt! wicker NetKKKop of alt.suicide.holiday --------end copy&paste---------- Nancy's usual way of letting people know that everyone other than her is crazy. http://makeashorterlink.com/?R2D732E6B From: Celeste Subject: Truth Follows Fiction Date: 1999/11/28 Message-ID: #1/1 Newsgroups: rec.gardens.roses Rubrifolia wrote: my first response to the orginal post was to wonder if y'all werent taking your meds....but now it seems I am missing something buried in the innuendo......someone want to s'plain, please.... Lisa You don't want to know, friend. It is a kind of shared psychosis. Do YOU believe in the GREAT TROLL CONSPIRACY?? Muuu hahahaha! Run like the wind, Lisa! Or, post about roses, that would be a welcome change over the bulk of the posts of the last few days. --------end copy&paste---------- And one more eyeful of just what most of Usenet thought of Nancy Carter Moore, aka Mary, aka Celeste, aka Joan, aka Marie, aka Genjunkie, aka Shiva. http://makeashorterlink.com/?V50B2107B From: lms Subject: blackened canes ($ my my my my my) Date: 2000/05/11 Message-ID: #1/1 Newsgroups: rec.gardens.roses In article , Monroe says... Just l@@king in on a friend. I love DejaNews. First off, I'd like to ask someone to respond to this, and quote it in full. Or don't--keep Princess Trolletta in the dark so we can laugh at her some more. And now I'll begin by asking 'celeste', the cesspool, the c creatu Do you remember splashing my name in the party lights awhile back, Nancy Carter Moore (aka Celeste)? Do you remember bullying me and everyone else here on rec.gardens.roses with all your perverted trashmouth friends? Do you remember trashing this ROSE newsgroup a year ago? And only 'yesterday' too, Cheeseguts? DO YOU??? Still playing dumb over Cheeseguts, ARE you? Spell this, please: p o l i t i c a l c a r e e r o v e r. hahahahaha, all Billary visions and dreams...ovah. Ovah and out. You're going to love this for the second time, troll: "In article , Linda Thompson wrote: snip a total bunch of crap, but the good stuff follows, it was written by our good friend News Reader. And noooooo, Nancy, get off your paranoid horse, and don't be blaming any 'friend' you publicly stabbed in the back either, you creep. You coward. You liar. Let's all break wind the next time it says Piedmont, whaddyasay? How's your Angel Face today, hmmmmm, Nancy? Contorted right now, I'll bet. hahahahahaha But I digress. (It's so easy to get sidetracked.): Here's the beef: News Reader wrote: You _really_ don't want to get caught in the middle of this one. Nancy has taken great pleasure when other's identity has been pointed out, while hiding behind altopia's posting policy. So, Nance, how are all your fellow commision members going to react when they find out that their "Public Relations" committee member is taunting suicidal people? How are _you_ going to reply when they ask you about Dan and Norway? Why don't we _all_ tell them, just to make sure they get the message, after all, _their_ addresses are "out there" as well. All your favourites, like Ann Suggs , Thomas Alexander , Robin Pugh , Collin Ingraham , Ellen Turco , Ed Davis , John Lane Jr. , Ed Morris , Camille Morrissey and, of course, not forgetting Mark A. Moore (Mr Celeste) and and , he is a "digital information specialist" after all, so should enjoy receiving your digital comments. Those who want to meet "celeste" in the flesh should mowsey on down to Room 700 at the Wake County Courthouse, Raleigh, North Carolina, any second Tuesday of the month (9th May next, for those with no diary) at 3.30pm - all meetings are open to the public! Ask for the District 5 rep. If you can't wait that long and would like to express your unbiased opinion of her sooner, contact details are still available at http://genealogypro.com/nfcarter.html. Now, where's that e-mail address for the The News & Observer? Should I say "DOH!" here? Of course you should." What a great line that was. If nothing else, it needs to be stopped before any more public trust is bestowed upon it. Is this a no-brainer? Or what? Does the world need a Senator Celeste? I don't thinkso. I guess the only mystery left is what the F stands for. I can only guess. m or not m? here's my sig: 'If I don't get a good response, I'll have to repost this. Do you like this one?' here's one right outa the cessy's book: Monroe, I like your style!!!! m --------end copy&paste---------- *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Personals (all public domain information, some provided by Nancy herself): From her resume: (She recently lost her RR account, so this email is no longer valid) 744 Currituck Drive, Raleigh NC 27609, USA Tel: (919) 637-0702 The Coleman Group Inc 304 Glenwood Av, Raleigh, NC 27603 (919) 828-5075 Her Boss: Edwin Coleman, Jr. 425 N Bloodworth St Raleigh, NC 27604-1223 Tel.: (919) 832-5014 *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Husband that she met at alt.personals.fat http://makeashorterlink.com/?W67615D6B, oh wait, just kidding. Met probably at the Historical Society where they both work: Mark A Moore 744 Currituck Dr Raleigh, NC 27609-6320 Tel.: (919) 510-9510 Moore, Mark Anderson Archives & History Admin. 919-807-7292 And all of this is just the tip of the iceburg... |
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Mary say it isn't so!
Tell me you didn't wreck the rose club? RFLMAO |
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"whitershadeofpale" wrote in message ... Mary say it isn't so! Tell me you didn't wreck the rose club? RFLMAO Dumplin', I am all brown thumbs. But I love these conspiracy theories. |
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"Karma" wrote in message news:1121822922.17be3972bc4d4cc05c7ccecfca6b6249@t eranews... As a witness to the destruction and devistation that occurred years ago in rec.gardens.roses, I was quite interested to see what was happening when I was made aware that an eerily similar situation was happening in some of the cat groups. It only took a few moments to verify that the poster responsible for all of the garbage in the cats groups is the very same troll that invaded the rose group so long ago. These facts are posted as a public service so that you know what you're dealing with, especially if you plan on complaining to "Mary's" ISPs. *ALL* of the following information is public domain and was very easy to find. Mary S aka Nancy Carter Moore (and many more Usenet IDs, as you'll see) is a seasoned Usenet troll. You be the judge. snip Astounding information. This explains a lot. MaryL |
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Why am I not surprised? After reading all the pertinent information it is
more than apparent that "Mary" is not only the loony tunes moron most of us assumed she was, but her MO is so amazingly transparent. She does the same trolls with the same cast of 'supporters' and the same foul mouth on every newsgroup she chooses to destroy. I say to all the rpch+b posters who aren't associated with Celeste/Nancy/Mary/LoonyTune that we all make a conscious decision to freeze her and her buddies out. If we all refuse to respond, then we really can't expect her to stay on, as she has more pressing things to do, like find and attempt to kill another newsgroup. I like how r.p.c.a. does it, changing the topic and ensuring that anything LoonyTunes says instantly turns to a discussion of favorite trash TV shows or recipes or even what you're wearing at the moment. Anything to shut her out (and up). If you have a kill file, put her in it. If you're using OE, block her and her cohorts as 'block sender'. Once we do this, she loses her audience and will hopefully pull up stakes and move on. But before we all do this, there's one more important thing to do. You know what it is... and the information is left intact below. I'm sure the state of NC would be so impressed to receive many many letters detailing LoonyTunes behavior. Thank you so much, Karma, for posting all this. Very enlightening and very very sad. What a pathetic person LT must be, and her followers, well they're even sadder. Marjorie Personals (all public domain information, some provided by Nancy herself): From her resume: (She recently lost her RR account, so this email is no longer valid) 744 Currituck Drive, Raleigh NC 27609, USA Tel: (919) 637-0702 The Coleman Group Inc 304 Glenwood Av, Raleigh, NC 27603 (919) 828-5075 Her Boss: Edwin Coleman, Jr. 425 N Bloodworth St Raleigh, NC 27604-1223 Tel.: (919) 832-5014 *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Husband that she met at alt.personals.fat http://makeashorterlink.com/?W67615D6B, oh wait, just kidding. Met probably at the Historical Society where they both work: Mark A Moore 744 Currituck Dr Raleigh, NC 27609-6320 Tel.: (919) 510-9510 Moore, Mark Anderson Archives & History Admin. 919-807-7292 And all of this is just the tip of the iceburg... |
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There is a lot of stuff here.
Mary, is this real? Did you really pose as someone on the suicide help group wanting to commit suicide in Norway and ask for someone else to go out with you? Did you post on alt.troll a few years ago that you were just learning how to troll? I'm asking you up-front because I know how you feel about honesty. None of us are angels, but this is so disturbing. Rhonda Karma wrote: As a witness to the destruction and devistation that occurred years ago in rec.gardens.roses, I was quite interested to see what was happening when I was made aware that an eerily similar situation was happening in some of the cat groups. It only took a few moments to verify that the poster responsible for all of the garbage in the cats groups is the very same troll that invaded the rose group so long ago. These facts are posted as a public service so that you know what you're dealing with, especially if you plan on complaining to "Mary's" ISPs. *ALL* of the following information is public domain and was very easy to find. Mary S aka Nancy Carter Moore (and many more Usenet IDs, as you'll see) is a seasoned Usenet troll. You be the judge. This information is being shared with you to let you know that her mission since 1998 is to destroy newsgroups. Particularly groups in the Big Eight hierarchy. She has a problem with groups that she feels are a social group and sets out to make it her own private chat by bringing in troll friends to destroy it. If you've been reading this group for any length of time, the perpetrator should be obvious. She has already threatened to do the same thing to rec.pets.cats.anecdotes and rec.food.cooking now that she's been successful in rec.pets.cats.health&behav, and before that, rec.gardens.roses. Her antics in 2 Big Eight groups over what looks to be the last few years (rec.pets.cats.health+behav & rec.pets.cats.anecdotes) have resulted in history repeating itself. Nancy's only goal is to disrupt, turn regular posters against one another, and make the groups unreadable. She thrives on discontent and hatred. It seems that Nancy found this hard to do in rpca because it appears that the regulars have a "different" -and EFFECTIVE- way of dealing with trolls, and it seems she was actually liked by a few (who apparently hadn't seen the vicious side she showed on the other cat group). In rpch&b this obviously hasn't been the case. Since rpch&b looks to be borderline volatile, it was easy for her to disrupt by making "friends" with those who agree with her and making enemies of those she decides not to approve of, bring in outside troll friends, and then set in motion the wheels that spin her hatred, anger and unhappy life even more. This behavior is the same behavior that she's exhibited for years, as is evident in the quotes here. The links that follow prove that Mary has posted under numerous names, email addresses and accounts over the last several years. Some of "Mary"/Nancy's IDs and sock puppets. There are probably many mo Mary: Celeste Meadowbrook / Joan Hunter: http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2C536D6B Shiva: http://makeashorterlink.com/?T1572117B lid Some of the links referenced below prove her identity based on the content of what she's posted, some prove it because of the common phrases she uses no matter "who" she is posting as. She delights in posting personal information of others and seems to think she is untouchable with regard to her own personal information. Her's are all listed at the bottom of this article. The following links are irrefutable evidence that Mary, Celeste, Shiva, Joan, etc are all really Nancy Carter Moore trolling Usenet under different names for literally years. ***Disclaimer*** All cited references from Google are linked using the service of makeashorterlink.com. If you click a link, you have the opportunity to close the window before the final source URL is loaded. ***/Disclaimer*** --------------------------------------- These are some very recent threats made by Mary aka Nancy Carter Moore. Hiding behind anonymous news servers doesn't make one as anonymous as one might think, though it may make them bold enough to make threats like these: http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1E42517B From: "Mary" Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav References: ThFAe.113936$yV4.97240@okepread03 Subject: In Support of Monica Towle, Animal Abuse Advocate Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:12:12 -0400 Message-ID: There is not much I can do, but I tend to be resourceful so the parties involved may rest assured that I will do everything I can to see that this intolerable, cruel, and abusive situation is resolved as soon as possible. Happily, the identities of the parties involved are a matter of public record. Dan Mahoney, his wife Nancy Mahoney, and Monica Towles will be held responsible for what happens to this cat. --------end copy&paste---------- Another recent threat http://makeashorterlink.com/?X3F42317B From: "Mary" Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.anecdotes Subject: Don't be fooled... Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:20:59 -0400 Message-ID: Those of you who are telling me to "take this offline" had better think about what you are saying. It really is not a good idea. --------end copy&paste---------- Now she is threatening to destroy rec.pets.cats.anecdotes - a perfectly friendly group; an anomaly on Usenet - by bringing in newly created troublemakers and a few old troll friends. http://makeashorterlink.com/?R2053417B From: "Mary" Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav,rec.pets.cats.anecdotes Subject: Conan adopted by triple-PhD family with 12,000 sq. ft. home! Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 15:53:48 -0400 Message-ID: "Candace" wrote in message groups.com... Charlie Wilkes wrote: That is the issue that gives rise to my continuing interest in Dan's Usenet career. Rather than be upset, I think it is better just to hang out in RPCA and warn newbies about what a ****head Dan is. It will be fun and entertaining. Only problem with that is there are hardly any newbies in the Stepford Group. Their clique-y-ness and inside jokes/info make it user-unfriendly to most new people who venture in there. But you know, this could change. It may be time for it to change. It is never good for people to get to proprietary over newsgroups. One would not want the sweet people at anecdotes to truly believe that they have a right to control the content of the group. That would not be fair to them. It would only mean a ruder awakening later on. There are, after all, anecdotes about cats in many groups. We wouldn't want the rpca folks to miss any. Another thought: when they post recipes, I think we should share them with the cooking groups! We could make many more people happy this way! Spreading happiness is a good thing. I am feeling happier already. --------end copy&paste---------- History The groups that Mary, I mean Nancy has trolled are varied and diverse, including rec.gardens.roses, alt.suicide.holiday, alt.hahaha, alt.genealogy. Her "home" group was alt.troll. How did this outing get started? Read the following post and you'll see how Mary outed herself. Her beloved Gnarly is now over the rainbow bridge, but Buddha is alive and well. Remember the name of her friend Suzanne. It will be important later: http://makeashorterlink.com/?D1F551D6B From: Celeste Subject: Roses from Paradise Date: 1999/10/28 Message-ID: #1/1 Newsgroups: rec.gardens.roses Hey, Suzanne, I'm amazed, Scentimental, Octoberfest, Nicole and Jude the Obscure all arrived this morning, and you just mailed them Tues. afternoon!! They are in great shape, all handling parties apparently heeded your "this end up" commands, and they will be in the ground by Saturday morning. (I have meetings and a lonnng fundraiser/dinner tonight, but they get first priority tomorrow.) Buddha and Gnarly thank you for the gourmet tidbits, also. By the way, did you know that you left one of your bakery aprons in the bottom of the box? I'm guessing that was a chocolate eclair day? --------end copy&paste---------- "Mary" got her start posting to alt.hahaha in 1998 as Nancy Carter, her real name, well, maiden name. Here under her real name are also her first posts to the genealogy groups -- alt.genealogy.methods and alt.genealogy. Her work is research for genealogy. At first glance she seems like a pleasant poster. There are too many of her posts to go through during the brief months that she posted as Nancy Carter to see exactly why she wasn't considered a pleasant poster, but notice that many other members have decided that her behavior is trollish: http://makeashorterlink.com/?X14523D6B Even after changing Usenet names a year later, she still frequented alt.hahaha as "Celeste" with the same venomous attitude and sociopath behavior. --------------------------------------- Here we find her learning how to troll on alt.troll: http://makeashorterlink.com/?S45523D6B -------------------------------------------- We know she's a genealogy weenie from her posting history in the genealogy newsgroups. Nancy's resume: http://genealogypro.com/nfcarter.html which now redirects to the current ad): http://genealogypro.com/ncmoore.html If this has been removed, try archive.org: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://.../nfcarter.html ------------------------------------------- Here is a previous outing of Nancy Carter Moore from the archives. Yes, she's been at this for years. http://makeashorterlink.com/?L18523D6B From: News Reader Subject: Disruptive Troll Warning! Date: 2000/04/17 Message-ID: #1/1 Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday In article , Celeste wrote: News Reader wrote: Be nice or I will take away your meds. Would they be the ones that Nancy's on? You remember Nancy, Nancy Carter, Nancy Carter Moore, (when she forgets to take the "celeste-type meds"?) Oh!! You have me! That's me, all right. Oy! Yeah, you never should have posted from those "clear" AT&T modems in Raleigh back in March. Eventually you all trip yourselves up (even changing to your married name in, oh, when was it? March, April 98?) --------end copy&paste---------- http://makeashorterlink.com/?N57512D6B "Part 1: After kicking the rose people, the 'fat' people, the cat people, the teeny-bopper people, the wienie-chopper people, the comedy people, the suicide people, the troll people, the depressed people, and only DEJA knows what OTHER people for year after year.....and THEN being OUTED....then being EXPOSED...........then being DRAGGED OUT from the wall of altopia anonymity you are still PATHETICALLY CLINGING TO, you cannot just one day come clean and ALL IS FORGIVEN just because you tell STILL ANOTHER LIE. No, Madame Bitterfly, things don't work that way. The chickens have come home to roost!!! " --------end copy&paste---------- Trolling suicidal people is another of Nancy's favorite pasttimes: While ASH isn't a suicide support group, it is frequented by teens and others that are either suicidal, or curious about the act. "Celeste" has been quoted as "egging on" a suicidal person to complete the act. There are many more like this one: http://makeashorterlink.com/?L2A512D6B From: Celeste Subject: Suicide partner Date: 2000/02/09 Message-ID: #1/1 Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday Hello a.s.h. readers, This is my first posting to this newsgroup, so if this message is inappropriate for this group, please accept my apologies. Also, this message is only for people determined to kill themselves, so if this is not your desire, you can stop reading now. I am planning on committing suicide, and I've been thinking about this for quite some time (years), it's not some impulse decision. But, and this may sound a bit bizarre to some I guess, I would like to do this together with someone else. So, if someone else has similar wishes, please get in touch with me. I live in Norway, so it would be best if you live somewhere near (by this I mean Northern Europe, I am willing to do some travelling / alternatively pay for your ticket to get here, if funds are tight) Any serious replies are welcome, send me a mail and we can arrange it. Do-gooders and trolls, save yourself the trouble and go on to the next posting. Yours, Dan You are really ****ed up, and a wusssssss, too. --------end copy&paste---------- After doing some digging I discovered that she resumed her trolling to the genealogy groups as Genjunkie and Mary. Near the end of the genealogy group era when she was basically "ignored" out, she found the cat groups and posted for a while as Mary but when she lost her Road Runner account, changed it to Mary , and then later to her current ID as Mary and there was even a SPAM block in the domain to make it just for a little mix. Mary S is for Mary Smith, her husband (Mark) is referred to as John Smith. How cute. ------------------------------------- Sex change? Check it out!!1!! http://makeashorterlink.com/?M2B525D6B http://makeashorterlink.com/?R29512D6B --------------------------------------- From: (Tsunam5724) Subject: Message for Theoni Kallandra Date: 1999/07/05 Message-ID: #1/1 Newsgroups: alt.support.srs Seven wrote: I am sorry to hear of your troubles. I don't know if it is or isn't the same Celeste that used to post here, but if it is, you should know that she won the KoTm award last July or August (usenet Kook of the Month). heheh, that news does not surprise us in the least. And believe me, it _is_ the very same Celeste - we've read through a number of her posts on this group (under the screen name), and can verify this is the same person - well versed, but totally crazy. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It's incredible how such an insane person as this "Celeste" can actually be permitted to give advice to new transexual's. IMO, the last thing people need...those who are struggling with identity problems or whatever....is an insane creature such as "Celeste" in their life. Anyway, Seven - we thank you for your help and concern. --------end copy&paste---------- Nancy and her troll friends have often been the subject of conversations at the NANAU news group. http://makeashorterlink.com/?H2E542D6B From: Rebecca Ore Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet Subject: Another Hipcrime flood... Date: 29 May 2001 12:31:53 -0400 "Any one who goes in and deliberately infuriates people and does so for years on end, I really don't have a whole lot of sympathy if it leaks out beyond usenet. Growing roses is part of the real lives of the people in rec.gardens.roses. Some of them are Usenet saavy; most are not. They're not interested in playing flamer games; they're interested in meeting other rose group people. Someone decided a group dedicated to discussing roses was so rude to her that she had to destroy it. And has been so obscessed with the group that she's hammered on it for over two years. The people I know think that the one thing that keeps the stalking from becoming something like David D'Amato's stalking is that they do know who the person is in RL." I don't I blame them for thinking this. They're not despammers, they're not abuse fighters, they don't hang out in the flame groups. They didn't volunteer to have their lives invaded by the levels of crap they've had hit them. If someone wanted to vandalize their newsgroup for years on end, would it stop with just vandalizing their Usenet space, or would this go to vandalizing more than that? And why should they believe in flamer ethics? Maybe the boundaries were firmer than they thought, but I believe this person was capable of going further. Given that the person has decided she had the right to destroy a Usenet Big Eight group because people who were using it at a given point in time were rude to her, I can see why they might have worried that the activities wouldn't stop with binary floods, text floods, and, as it appears, NewsAgent runs. If a person is willing to back away from condoning these things, stops posting addresses of people and their spouses, and plays better, even if not completely nice, I am in favor of giving them additional chances. But "I'm going to run NewsAgent here because they were rude to me" isn't acceptable to me. --------end copy&paste---------- Some very good advice from NANAU. Any group that Nancy becomes involved in turns into a troll haven. Now, 5 years later, RGR hasn't really recovered from the mess it was when Nancy was actively involved. Do you want the cat groups to become like that? Read the whole thread. Good read. http://makeashorterlink.com/?T2945617B From: Rebecca Ore Subject: Whatever you call it, how can we stop it? Date: 2000/07/31 Message-ID: #1/1 Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet Stephen K. Gielda writes: [Stephen's full post is pasted in because it's important here] If you post headers I'm sure someone will translate them for you. But I poked my head into that newsgroup and from what it looks like you will never get rid of them. The reason: No one can sit on their fingers and ignore them, everyone has to respond. What that does is escalate it and invite more trolls. It's so bad it is hard to tell who is trolling who and I'm sure that is what any isp you complain too is going to see. If you want it to stop you have to get the group to stop responding. It's amazing, a simple concept but so many groups are truly incapable of not responding. For that they bring it on themselves. Rec.garden.roses is one of the most studied news groups by trollogists and trolls of any on Usenet. I've seen 5 page reports on the dynamics there. The irony is that a group of rosarians decided that the place was their social home, not a place for random strangers to ask newbie questions about roses. Discussions of everyone's pets were preferable to having messy neos tracking around the place. Running neos off worked until one proved to be a troll with roses. The group worked very hard to get its new playmates, and was told from the beginning (last year) that the only cure was to not respond to trolls and not to run off newbies who were interrupting their conversations about their golf games to ask rose questions. |
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"Rhonda" wrote in message ... There is a lot of stuff here. Mary, is this real? Did you really pose as someone on the suicide help group wanting to commit suicide in Norway and ask for someone else to go out with you? Did you post on alt.troll a few years ago that you were just learning how to troll? I'm asking you up-front because I know how you feel about honesty. None of us are angels, but this is so disturbing. Rhonda, like the poster said, you decide for yourself. You've read my posts now for a while. Am I here to disrupt the group? And believe me, I am no gardener. When would I have time? What I love is that Cheryl put all this time into building a case for this. She has been swearing that I am "someone else" "playing" the group for the year or so that I have been posting. And do I seem suicidal to you? There is a long history of people calling those they do not like "trolls." You've seen it. You have a good head on your shoulders, and I have no doubt you will use it. |
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"Rhonda" wrote in message ... There is a lot of stuff here. Mary, is this real? I just thought of something that ought to ease your mind, if you are buying any of this. Do you remember Greg, the San Diego guy who I talked with for over an hour on the telephone about adopting Conan? Well, he asked if we could talk via telephone and I sent him my number. When he called, my husband answered the telephone. You can always email Greg and ask him who he asked for when he called me. |
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"Mary" wrote in message ...
"Rhonda" wrote in message ... There is a lot of stuff here. Mary, is this real? Did you really pose as someone on the suicide help group wanting to commit suicide in Norway and ask for someone else to go out with you? Did you post on alt.troll a few years ago that you were just learning how to troll? I'm asking you up-front because I know how you feel about honesty. None of us are angels, but this is so disturbing. Rhonda, like the poster said, you decide for yourself. You've read my posts now for a while. Am I here to disrupt the group? And believe me, I am no gardener. When would I have time? What I love is that Cheryl put all this time into building a case for this. She has been swearing that I am "someone else" "playing" the group for the year or so that I have been posting. And do I seem suicidal to you? There is a long history of people calling those they do not like "trolls." You've seen it. You have a good head on your shoulders, and I have no doubt you will use it. Rhonda, with the good head on your shoulders... think and re-read Karma's LOOOOONG email. Tooooooo many co-inkydinks. Tooo many ISPs that ring BINGO. Nancy is back pedaling up the **** creek w/OUT a paddle now!! Oh, I wouldn't believe a puff of smoke from your ass, Mary. Do ya normally hang out in the cooking news group and post to alt.k00ks in the same post? No. But you did for a reason. It was to stir up **** for a cat group. And your silly self thinks that Rhonda or any other smart person won't see through your (ahem) "bad Karma". Face it, Nancy... you're ****ed!!! -- L. |
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MaryL wrote:
Astounding information. This explains a lot. MaryL Yeah. And I read it on the internet, so it *must* be true. Karma must have a lot of time on her hands (I'm sure it is a she...way to petty to be a male) to have all that crap documented. Lots of people do stupid **** on the internet. You'll never stop them. Who cares anyway. Just be smart out there and take everything with a grain of salt. |
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