Prozac instead of Elavil, more frustrations

"PawsForThought" wrote in message
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bigbadbarry wrote:
I knew a man who had no
less than 15-16 different bottles of pills he had to visit each morning,
they were all spread out on the table. He started on one drug which
caused a
side effect, then he got a pill to deal with that side effect, and so
on...he got snowballed.

This is becoming more and more common What's sad too is many people
cannot even afford these drugs but will got without in other areas to
pay for them while the drug industry just keeps getting richer.

...back to cats...I think of a child who is always hushed from
crying...never allowed to cry, this is not good, this is how they
develop
thier lungs. Just because we do not like something does not warrant a
drug,
or even a fix.

I agree. I think too many vets are quick to medicate without really
finding out what is the root of the problem, or not considering what
the cost will be to the cat's health by prescribing the drugs, and not
always looking for alternatives.


I cannot imagine drugging my cats with psychotropics.

"bigbadbarry" wrote in message
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"Philip"
But seriously, what diagnostics do you have at hand to justify
psychotropic
drug therapy on a cat? Cats don't have mental problems .... they have
owners.

I agree with you somewhat, where people are quick to go get a "fix-it"
pill

Pharmecuticals are a multi billion dollar industry, and if the makers can
get animals involved then
hallelujah pass the prozac, I realize this, it's a free for all.

Many so called behavior problems are not problems at all, but like you
say,
cats have owners!; but If I were to say cats do not have mental problems,
I
would not be correct.
Some cats do have mental problems, not that I have ever met one, but if
they
live under the same sun as I do, then I know if not just by osmosis, cats
have mental problems.

The real problem with drugging cats, is, first of all, they're already
peculiar little animals, secondly, which was your point, we do live in a
quick fix, push button society.

I think when it comes to psychotropic drugs this is one thing, but I am
leary of any pill that would trick the heart and endocrine system into
thinking, "relax" everything is fine; like a cat vallium.
nothing is free, this is a trade off. You drug-chill a cat too long then
that cats natural strengths are diminished. As an anology, it's like
assisted breathing, where the lungs become dependent on the breathing
machine; I say there is no difference with chill drugs, no matter how that
pill chills..when the end result is a slower heart rate, the heart works
less, and becomes addicted to effect; not to mention side effects.

I believe money is behind much of this, and so called learned men, they
spend alot of time studying for the very chore of drugging, and just like
some doctors they are quick to prescribe something. I knew a man who had
no
less than 15-16 different bottles of pills he had to visit each morning,
they were all spread out on the table. He started on one drug which caused
a
side effect, then he got a pill to deal with that side effect, and so
on...he got snowballed.

...back to cats...I think of a child who is always hushed from
crying...never allowed to cry, this is not good, this is how they develop
thier lungs. Just because we do not like something does not warrant a
drug,
or even a fix.



This, Barry, is a kick-ass post. Right on all counts! I guess that means I
agree with you!

"CatNipped" wrote in message
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"Philip" wrote in message
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Because the long term fallout of brain drugging is only lately coming to
light.

Gads, I hate it when I have to agree with Philip! ; But just like
antibiotics are being overly used, so are psychotropic drugs. And I am
forced to agree (kicking and screaming) that modern society has developed
a
"quick-fix" mind set to almost all problems when some problems need time
and
effort to cure.


Yes indeed. It is one thing when a state of mind/mood such as depression or
anxiety is really endangering someone; it is another when life is just doing
what
life does: shaking it up for us, throwing us curves. I do believe that there
are
people who benefit greatly from the SSRIs--but they are overdiagnosed. And
all but Prozac/fluoxetine causes weight gain--this in a society fat in
epidemic
numbers.

On Wed, 25 May 2005 05:23:37 -0400, "bigbadbarry"
wrote:


...back to cats...I think of a child who is always hushed from
crying...never allowed to cry, this is not good, this is how they develop
thier lungs. Just because we do not like something does not warrant a drug,
or even a fix.


And how does this relate to a cat with inappropriate urination issues
(the reason these drugs are being used)?


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On Wed, 25 May 2005 11:04:22 -0400, "Mary" wrote:



I cannot imagine drugging my cats with psychotropics.


and may you never have reason to have to consider doing so.

I suppose I could put her in a cage 24/7, but that just doesn't seem
like much of a life.

What are YOUR solutions for inappropriate urination issues?




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Janet B
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On Wed, 25 May 2005 09:11:04 -0500, "CatNipped"
wrote:

"quick-fix" mind set to almost all problems when some problems need time and
effort to cure.

And I'll ask you the same thing I asked Mary - what is your cure for
inappropriate urination issues?

Thanks so much for a fast answer!


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www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
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"Janet B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 May 2005 09:11:04 -0500, "CatNipped"
wrote:

"quick-fix" mind set to almost all problems when some problems need time
and
effort to cure.

And I'll ask you the same thing I asked Mary - what is your cure for
inappropriate urination issues?

Thanks so much for a fast answer!

Janet, I wasn't taking pot shots at you. As with antibiotics, I'm not
saying they should never be used, I'm just saying that they're being used
too much now-a-days. If all else has failed and these work, then that's
fine. I just don't think they should be the first thing tried (or the
second, or the third). It's just getting so that as soon as anyone goes to
a doctor or vet with some minor complaint the doctor or vet (having been
"programmed" and set up by the large pharmeceutical companies as their front
man) grabs his perscription pad and doles out psychotropic drugs like
handing out candy in a kindergarten.

I have friends in the medical profession and you would not *believe* some of
the things pharmeceutical salesmen will do to sell their "products" - giving
doctors everything from free lunches to trips to Hawaii when doctors reach a
certain number of "sales" to their patients. All I'm doing is trying to put
out a word of caution to make people take a step back and consider *all* the
alternatives before reaching for a quick, easy fix to a complicated problem.

As to the inappropriate urination issues, that's been posted about many,
many times here and there has been tons of good advice given (none of it
easy to accomplish) and, I believe, psychotropic medications were advised as
a last resort only after everything else fails.

Hugs,

CatNipped

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Janet B
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
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"Janet B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 May 2005 05:23:37 -0400, "bigbadbarry"
wrote:


...back to cats...I think of a child who is always hushed from
crying...never allowed to cry, this is not good, this is how they develop
thier lungs. Just because we do not like something does not warrant a
drug,
or even a fix.


And how does this relate to a cat with inappropriate urination issues
(the reason these drugs are being used)?


We sometimes segue to other, related topics.

"Janet B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 May 2005 11:04:22 -0400, "Mary" wrote:



I cannot imagine drugging my cats with psychotropics.


and may you never have reason to have to consider doing so.

I suppose I could put her in a cage 24/7, but that just doesn't seem
like much of a life.

What are YOUR solutions for inappropriate urination issues?




Easy there, Janet. My statement was not issued as any sort of judgment on
you. There are many things that can be tried for inappropriate elimination,
most of which have probably been mentioned in this thread. I don't know
which you have tried.

"Janet B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 May 2005 09:11:04 -0500, "CatNipped"
wrote:

"quick-fix" mind set to almost all problems when some problems need time
and
effort to cure.

And I'll ask you the same thing I asked Mary - what is your cure for
inappropriate urination issues?

Thanks so much for a fast answer!



While you are being so damned thin-skinned, tell us what you tried before
you drugged your cat?