[Way OT] - JUST ONCE - VT Shootings

Pat wrote:

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote
|
| Pat wrote:
| "Mark Edwards" wrote
|
| | Just once. JUST ONCE, I would like to hear that the gunman was taken
out
| | by a couple of dozen fatal wounds from ****ed off, heavily armed
fellow
| | students who were in harm's way.
|
| AMEN. But VT has a zero-tolerance, no-guns-on-campus rule. Hopefully
that
| will be changed, as the incident will be used by the anti-2nd-Amendment
| socialists like Hillary trying to advance the cause of disarming all who
| resist this country's descent into tyranny.
|
| We live under the Bush autocracy, and you accuse HILLARY of
| not resisting our descent into tyranny?????? GWB throws a
| temper tantrum whenever anyone questions his "divinely
| inspired" alleged "leadership", he and his cronies are still
| doing their best to ignore citizens' Constitutional rights,
| and you think that's okay? (God help our country if there
| are still people as misguided as you appear to be!)

I didn't say Bush is OK. He's a madman acting like a cornered wild animal.
I'm just saying that if Hillary is elected we'll have more of the same if
not worse.

Well, she's not my favorite candidate, either - I much
prefer Barak Obama to any of the others on offer - but
despite the sympathy vote, I think Edwards has too much
tragic distraction in his personal life right now, and what
other viable (meaning electable) choice do the Democrats
have? (I suspect the final slate will be a joint ticket of
Hillary and Obama - preferably with Hillary for VP.)

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote

| what viable (meaning electable) choice do the Democrats
| have?

Crossing over to get Ron Paul the Republican nomination, that's what.

Pat wrote:

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote

| what viable (meaning electable) choice do the Democrats
| have?

Crossing over to get Ron Paul the Republican nomination, that's what.

Another reign of the religious right? God help us all!!!!

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote

| Pat wrote:
|
| "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote
|
| | what viable (meaning electable) choice do the Democrats
| | have?
|
| Crossing over to get Ron Paul the Republican nomination, that's what.
|
| Another reign of the religious right? God help us all!!!!

Whatever gives you this idea?

I'd suggest informing yourself because this kind of statement makes you look
like an idiot.

"Mark Edwards" wrote in message
...
Concerning the shooting at VT today (pardon my language):

Just once. JUST ONCE, I would like to hear that the gunman was taken out
by a couple of dozen fatal wounds from ****ed off, heavily armed fellow
students who were in harm's way.

I would PAY to see that the gunman was killed by ninjas and/or pirate
hooks and/or a large stick of dynamite inserted into the gunman's rectum.

Mother ****ing jackass idiots who think a shooting rampage solves
anything...!!!



It reached the news here in the UK. It was an incident like this
http://tinyurl.com/5r259 that caused a complete overhaul of our gun laws in
the UK.

Tweed

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:

Given the often hair-trigger nature of adolescent emotions,
I should think the last thing ANYONE would want would be a
high school or college campus where every student carried a
gun! It's regrettable that there should NEED to be a rule
against gun-toting students, and metal-detector screening to
enforce the rule, but I'm sure a great many parents find it
reassuring (even though it sometimes proves ineffective).

Here are the lyrics to a wonderful song that's relevant to this
thread. (It might even have been written in response to the Columbine
shootings, I'm not sure.) The words are actually spoken, rather than
sung, although it's not rap music or hip-hop. Cheryl Wheeler is a
well-known folk singer-songwriter, so I guess you could call it "folk
rap". The words are spoken in rhythm. The very last line is sung,
though.

Joyce


"If It Were Up To Me"
(c) Cheryl Wheeler

Maybe it's the movies, maybe it's the books
Maybe it's the bullets, maybe it's the real crooks
Maybe it's the drugs, maybe it's the parents
Maybe it's the colors everybody's wearin

Maybe it's the President, maybe it's the last one
Maybe it's the one before that, what he done
Maybe it's the high schools, maybe it's the teachers
Maybe it's the tattooed children in the bleachers

Maybe it's the Bible, maybe it's the lack
Maybe it's the music, maybe it's the crack
Maybe it's the hairdos, maybe it's the TV
Maybe it's the cigarettes, maybe it's the family

Maybe it's the fast food, maybe it's the news
Maybe it's divorce, maybe it's abuse
Maybe it's the lawyers, maybe it's the prisons
Maybe it's the Senators, maybe it's the system

Maybe it's the fathers, maybe it's the sons
Maybe it's the sisters, maybe it's the moms
Maybe it's the radio, maybe it's road rage
Maybe El Nino, or UV rays

Maybe it's the army, maybe it's the liquor
Maybe it's the papers, maybe the militia
Maybe it's the athletes, maybe it's the ads
Maybe it's the sports fans, maybe it's a fad

Maybe it's the magazines, maybe it's the internet
Maybe it's the lottery, maybe it's the immigrants
Maybe it's taxes, big business
Maybe it's the KKK and the skinheads

Maybe it's the communists, maybe it's the Catholics
Maybe it's the hippies, maybe it's the addicts
Maybe it's the art, maybe it's the sex
Maybe it's the homeless, maybe it's the banks

Maybe it's the clearcut, maybe it's the ozone
Maybe it's the chemicals, maybe it's the car phones
Maybe it's the fertilizer, maybe it's the nose rings
Maybe it's the end - but I know one thing:

If it were up to me, I'd take away the guns.

On Apr 16, 3:12 pm, "Shiral" wrote:
On Apr 16, 11:59 am, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"



wrote:
Pat wrote:
"Mark Edwards" wrote

| Just once. JUST ONCE, I would like to hear that the gunman was taken out
| by a couple of dozen fatal wounds from ****ed off, heavily armed fellow
| students who were in harm's way.

AMEN. But VT has a zero-tolerance, no-guns-on-campus rule. Hopefully that
will be changed, as the incident will be used by the anti-2nd-Amendment
socialists like Hillary trying to advance the cause of disarming all who
resist this country's descent into tyranny.

We live under the Bush autocracy, and you accuse HILLARY of
not resisting our descent into tyranny?????? GWB throws a
temper tantrum whenever anyone questions his "divinely
inspired" alleged "leadership", he and his cronies are still
doing their best to ignore citizens' Constitutional rights,
and you think that's okay? (God help our country if there
are still people as misguided as you appear to be!)

Good on you, Evelyn! Frankly, after the Columbine High tragedy, I'm
not surprised at any school having a no-guns on campus rule. This
tragedy didn't happen because the STUDENTS were unarmed. It happened
because a troubled, angry person WAS.

Melissa


I hate to get into this on this NG but people who are willing, even
eager, to disobey the law are NOT stopped by fireamrs regulations.
Blinking my eyes and making all firearms disappear would certainly
prevent this sort of tragedy, although it would cause other problems,
but that is not what gun-contol laws do. Gun-control laws disarm
legally-armed citizens, who are rarely involved in gun-related crimes.
They are a touchy-feely feelgood solution that does not do any good.


Will in New Haven

--

"Just when you thought you would NEVER cross any items off your list
of things Keith Richards probably wouldn't do"

On Apr 16, 6:13 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
wrote:
Nomen Nescio wrote:
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From: "Shiral"

This
tragedy didn't happen because the STUDENTS were unarmed. It happened
because a troubled, angry person WAS.

Actually, both.
If EVERY student had been armed, the two nutcases probably wouldn't
have even tried. It was a power trip for them.
And keep in mind that Columbine would have been much worse if there
had not, to the surprise of the 2 wackos, been someone else in the school
who was armed. He exchanged fire with them and pinned them down in the library.
Otherwise, they would have been free to move around, at will, and many more
people would have died.
And, BTW, there WAS a no guns policy for students at Columbine. Funny thing
about criminals, school policy does not seem to matter much to them.

Given the often hair-trigger nature of adolescent emotions,
I should think the last thing ANYONE would want would be a
high school or college campus where every student carried a
gun! It's regrettable that there should NEED to be a rule
against gun-toting students, and metal-detector screening to
enforce the rule, but I'm sure a great many parents find it
reassuring (even though it sometimes proves ineffective).

Oddly enough, we had a great deal of interpersonal violence at Walker
County High School in the eary Sixties but firearms were never
involved and there were never any fatalities. This despite the fact
that at least seventy-five hunting rufles in various lockers all
through the long Alabama deer season. I can't tell you how many
handguns were around and they were NOT, unlike the deer rifles, in
accordance with school policy, but I had one in my locker for some
weeks and so did my brother. I would estimate that about six or eight
boys and at least one, but probably only one, girl had a handgun in a
locker at any one time. About the only reason I would have gone to my
locker for a weapon would have been if I heard shooting. That would be
true of anyone else. Since we all shot targets and most of us had shot
a deer, I think we might have been able to help keep those Columbine
kids from doing as much harm as they did.

Will in New Haven

--

"Just when you thought you would NEVER cross any items off your list
of things Keith Richards probably wouldn't do"

On Apr 16, 7:19 pm, "Pat"
wrote:
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote

| Pat wrote:

|
| "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote
|
| | what viable (meaning electable) choice do the Democrats
| | have?
|
| Crossing over to get Ron Paul the Republican nomination, that's what.
|
| Another reign of the religious right? God help us all!!!!

Whatever gives you this idea?

I'd suggest informing yourself because this kind of statement makes you look
like an idiot.


Helping Ron Paul get nominated would be a bad idea for the Democrats
because he _isn't_ part of the religious right and would, win or lose
the election, help the Republican Party get away from that faction. I
would certainly rather the RP nominated him, and I would vote for
him, but I am a Libertarian and not a Democrat or a Republican. I
think Barry Goldwater would puke if he were around to see this
administration.

Will in New Haven

--

"Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any
government,no matter how popular and respected, is the right of
citizens to keep and bear arms.... The right of citizens to bear arms
is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard
against the tyranny which now appears remote in America but which
historically has proven to be always possible."
-U.S. Senator Hubert H. Humphrey, Democrat from Minnesota, 1960

"Will in New Haven" wrote

| Helping Ron Paul get nominated would be a bad idea for the Democrats
| because he _isn't_ part of the religious right and would, win or lose
| the election, help the Republican Party get away from that faction. I
| would certainly rather the RP nominated him, and I would vote for
| him, but I am a Libertarian and not a Democrat or a Republican. I
| think Barry Goldwater would puke if he were around to see this
| administration.

Barry Goldwater, Jr. speaks about Congressman Ron Paul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPoFXl97wv4