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  #11  
Old September 15th 03, 07:52 AM
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"Cat Protector" wrote in message
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I think you worry far too much about this subject. Nobody mentioned

anything
about the pentagram being specifically for devil worship although it has
been used as a symbol for it as well as paganism. It is a tool and it can

be
used for bad or good. You need to have a sense of humor here though.



That's crap. The pentagram is not a tool...it is a symbol. It's history,
the reason it came into being has nothing to do with "bad". I don't
see you joke about burning crosses to scare off JW.
You didn't specifically link the pentagram with devil worship but
you sure as heck implied it. You listed all kinds of satanistic
excuses the last one being "didn't you see the pentagram". That
links them...particularly for the uninformed..of which I now count you
as a member. For the record, devil worshippers do not use a
pentagram as a symbol. They some times use and inverted pentagram..
with the point at the bottom just like they sometimes use an inverted
cross. This is to promote the "anti" attitude of the symbol.

AG


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Old September 15th 03, 10:34 AM
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Nobody mentioned slavery or the whole race issue but you seem to want to
take things out of context and turn it into something about you. Are you
offended by my having a black cat? The whole post was humorous and that was
all it was. It seems to me you want to take something that isn't there and
make a whole issue out of it. You need to learn to relax here and maybe
laugh a little. As for discimination, I have faced it but I also know when
some things were meant as a joke. The original posting that I made was meant
for humor. It seems most here got that but you insist it was nothing more
than a ruthless attempt to pick on Pagans (which were never even picked on
nor brought up until you mentioned them). Nobody was picking on the Pagans
here so you need to learn to lighten up. There is also a not anti-Pagan
campaign here either but you seem to want fight something that isn't there.
Personally, I got nothing against them.

Of course here is something that may shock and upset you. I have a black cat
and I consider all black cats as being a symbol of good luck. BTW, I have
known those who practice both Paganism and Wicca and am well versed on what
the pentagram symbolizes but satanists also seem to use it as a symbol. One
thing I know for sure is that most of those practictioners have a sense of
humor and have laughed at some of the jokes. Why? Because they are human and
are quite confident in themselves and their practice. They also try to
spread postive and not negative. And when faced with negative they try to
turn it into positive. You can try to turn this into a flame war if you want
to but no ill will was meant here. It was humor. Nothing more and nothing
less. What does W.A.R.D. supposed mean anyway?

BTW, for those who have non-black cats I am also a member of your society as
well as I also have a diluted Tabby. If Agua girl or anyone else wants to be
mad about that then there is nothing I can do here. I am simply a cat lover
and servent to two cats.

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"Agua Girl" wrote in message
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Yeah, and a lot of African Americans don't have a sense of
humor about that whole slavery thing. You are more a part of
the problem then you seem willing to acknowledge. You
talk about "scaring away" JW by mentioning goats blood
and pentagrams. You don't think that is implying that pentagrams
and sacrificing and devil worship are some how linked.
Maybe my "sense" of humor wouldn't be tested if closed minded
and big mouthed individuals didn't go around spreading the same
kind of crap that you are "joking" about.
Obviously you haven't been the victim of real discrimination...
born of ignorance. If you had..you wouldn't have found it any
funnier than I did. Get informed. You can start with W.A.R.D.

AG




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Old September 15th 03, 10:37 AM
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In a way it was. I have tried to point this out to Agua Girl but she seems
to want to insist that I have this strong hatred (which I do not) for
Pagans.

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"nimue" wrote in message
.. .

I *think* that those were jokes meant to mock the ignorance Cat Protector
believes the Jehovah's Witnesses exhibit. I don't think that Cat

Protector
really believes those things -- CP just thinks that Jehovah's Witnesses
believe those things, and CP is making fun of the Jehovah's Witnesses. I
don't like the JW for their frightening "rules" concerning sexual abuse

and
the reporting of the same. Scary.


AG

"Cat Protector" wrote in message
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I am not a fan of Jehovah's Witnesses since they make it a point to
come to your house to quote the bible when you clearly did not ask
them to. Here are a some excuses or questions one can use to get rid
of them.

1. It is time for my cat worshipping meeting.

2. I am getting ready to go out to and witness the sacrifice of a
goat so I can't talk right now.

3. This household is ruled by three cats and I must bow to them.

4. I am meeting with my other religious brothers so I don't have
time right now. It is also my turn to bring the goat's blood.

5. Thanks for coming but Jehovah owes me money from a previous
gambling debt. Are you here to pay up?

6. The dark lord says I'll have a hard time in hell if I keep him
waiting.

7. I am hosting my first orgy. Do you have any grapes?

8. Got any virgins in your group?

9. You interrupted my porno viewing and thanks to you JW's I am now
sexually frustrated.

10. Didn't you see the pentagram hanging in my window?


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Old September 15th 03, 10:40 AM
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Are you going to be mad at me if I say I have a black cat and I see it as

a
symbol of good luck?


Of course not.

You seem to be hell bent on proving that a simple
symbol such as a pentagram can't be used for either positive or negative.


Anything can be used as a symbol for positive or negative. Promoting the
idea that the pentagram is some how bad and signifies something negative
(as you did since you suggested using it alot with comments about goat
bload and sacrifices to scare off JW) is ignorant and dangerous. The only
time the pentagram is really used as a symbol by "devil worshippers" or for
something bad is when it is inverted. This is done to signify the opposite
of what it stands for. It's the anti symbol. This is a fact. Wrap your
mind
around it. Research it. Check out the differences. You can use any
symbol for anything you want but that doesn't make it stand for that.
Pentagrams...normal point up 5 pointed stars surrounded by a circle mean
only one thing historical..and world wide. That is the symbol of earth,
air,
fire, water and spirit..and the circle of life. That's it. Saying...even
as a joke...
that having such a symbol should some how scare off JW is ignorant and
promotes the idea that the symbol should be feared.

Symbols can be tools as well...


No...a symbol is just a symbol. A tool is something different. Check
the meaning in websters. Unless you happen to have a metal pentagram
that you attached the end of a stick and now use as a shovel. Then I
suppose
it's now a tool.....

You seem to have no sense of humor here. I
think you need to re-read my post because I didn't say that the pentagram
was mainly a satanic symbol.


You promoted it. Maybe you should re-read your post. Better yet,
buy a pentagram and wear it around your neck for a week or two and
watch the reactions. When you lose your job, when your landlord
decides not to renew your lease, when your neighbors egg your house...
then tell me how funny you find your comments. No..none of those things
have happened to me but they are actual cases of religious discriminations
all
because someone was ignorant about what that symbol means...and your "humor"
perpetuates that kind of ignorance. You can get all defensive and blame my
lack of "humor" or you can get educated..your choice. BTW, I have a very
good sense of humor...you just aren't funny.
AG


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Old September 15th 03, 10:57 AM
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Nobody mentioned slavery or the whole race issue but you seem to want to
take things out of context and turn it into something about you. Are you
offended by my having a black cat? The whole post was humorous and that

was
all it was. It seems to me you want to take something that isn't there and
make a whole issue out of it. You need to learn to relax here and maybe
laugh a little. As for discimination, I have faced it but I also know when
some things were meant as a joke. The original posting that I made was

meant
for humor. It seems most here got that but you insist it was nothing more
than a ruthless attempt to pick on Pagans (which were never even picked on
nor brought up until you mentioned them). Nobody was picking on the Pagans
here so you need to learn to lighten up. There is also a not anti-Pagan
campaign here either but you seem to want fight something that isn't

there.
Personally, I got nothing against them.


No..I said your sense of humor perpetuates the ignorance tied to the use
of a pentagram. My point was that you might laugh at a "slave" joke but
I know a lot of people who wouldn't. There is a whole myth tied to the
pentagram so now those people who wear it as a symbol of love of earth
have to deal with the ignorant majority who continue to see it as some thing
negative...which by the way was how you used it. I am not saying you are
mounting a anti-pagan campaign..merely pointing out how your "jokes" are
spreading ignorance. How bout those burning cross jokes huh???? what?
not funny?

Of course here is something that may shock and upset you. I have a black

cat
and I consider all black cats as being a symbol of good luck. BTW, I have
known those who practice both Paganism and Wicca and am well versed on

what
the pentagram symbolizes but satanists also seem to use it as a symbol.


First off...I have a black cat too..big deal. That's another stupid myth.
Secondly,
you aren't well versed in Paganism or Wicca or you wouldn't think the
pentagram
they use is the same as the inverted one used by the satanist. It's not the
same
as the star of David either in case that alluded you.

One thing I know for sure is that most of those practictioners have a

sense of
humor and have laughed at some of the jokes. Why? Because they are human

and
are quite confident in themselves and their practice. They also try to
spread postive and not negative.


Honestly...I am one of the least "militant" people I know when it comes
to this stuff. NONE of the pagans I know appreciate the continued
spread of ignorance when it comes to our spirituality. Frankly..I don't
think
you know any practicing Wiccans. Yes, we walk in the light, are basically
positive earth based persons...but having to deal with discrimination
because
some yahoo got the wrong idea about what a pentagram means from some
stupid internet joke will make anyone a little cranky.

And when faced with negative they try to
turn it into positive. You can try to turn this into a flame war if you

want
to but no ill will was meant here. It was humor. Nothing more and nothing
less. What does W.A.R.D. supposed mean anyway?


Ask your witch friends. You have so many that you feel confident
you know what they will find funny...should be a simple task.

BTW, for those who have non-black cats I am also a member of your society

as
well as I also have a diluted Tabby. If Agua girl or anyone else wants to

be
mad about that then there is nothing I can do here. I am simply a cat

lover
and servent to two cats.


Again...I don't care what color your cats are. You could have a pet serpent
for all I care. Just stop promoting the idea..even in joke..that the
pentagram is something to be feared or means something negative. That's
all I asked in the first place. Your the one who got all defensive and
assumed
that my reaction meant I had no sense of humor. This is a religious symbol.
The fact that some satanist invert it much as they do the cross doesn't mean
they also "use" the symbol. You can do a lot of harm with your "jokes".
If you really do have "pagan" friends then you should be willing to
grow a little as a human and avoid "jokes" that could potentially harm.

AG


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Old September 15th 03, 11:07 AM
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Ok Agua Girl, I am under the impression you simply do not have a sense of
humor. I did not promote Pagans at all anyway. You seem to want to make more
of this than is there. If any Pagans here were offended then I apologize but
still it was meant as humor. As for buying a pentagram and wearing it around
my neck, I am afraid it wouldn't look as good as a tattoo of one of my cats
on me. As for losing a job and a landlord not renewing your lease simply
because you are wearing a pentagram seems like nonsense to me. You can't
blame life's misfortunes on that. When I was younger our house was toilet
papered but you didn't see my cry about it. In my last apartment it was
egged by kids who were trouble for the whole complex. I didn't cry about it
then either. They ended up getting kicked out of their apartment. Typical
life stuff that happens. You say I am not funny but of course you seem to be
showing a lack of sense of humor and trying to lable me as ignorant or a bad
person. Is it a part of your religion or practice to pass judgment on
others? I bet if someone said they worshipped cats you'd find a problem with
that, right?

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"Agua Girl" wrote in message
...

You promoted it. Maybe you should re-read your post. Better yet,
buy a pentagram and wear it around your neck for a week or two and
watch the reactions. When you lose your job, when your landlord
decides not to renew your lease, when your neighbors egg your house...
then tell me how funny you find your comments. No..none of those things
have happened to me but they are actual cases of religious discriminations
all
because someone was ignorant about what that symbol means...and your

"humor"
perpetuates that kind of ignorance. You can get all defensive and blame my
lack of "humor" or you can get educated..your choice. BTW, I have a

very
good sense of humor...you just aren't funny.
AG




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Old September 15th 03, 11:21 AM
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Cross burning jokes? You have a cross to bear lady? I am so glad you feel
that you must be the know-it-all in everything Pagan but you are incorrect
about the Pentagram. It is used as a symbol by Wiccans (which is a
Paganistic religion), Pagans and of course satanists. You mention the Star
of David which is a Jewish symbol so I guess now you have problem with Jews
now right? I have to admit you are certainly entertaining all of us by your
left wing posts. You say you are one of the less militant people regarding
this stuff yet you have no problem ruthlessly attacking people and call them
ignorant or making them out to be the bad guys here when a pentagram is
mentioned in a joke. You claim I don't know any practicing Wiccans but you
would be incorrect. Get off the warpath here Agua Girl. No harm was even
intented to Pagans but yet you seem to insist that it was. Sheesh! Should
all of us humans be just like you and totally put an end to humor? But of
course that would be offensive to comedians and clowns.


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"Agua Girl" wrote in message
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No..I said your sense of humor perpetuates the ignorance tied to the use
of a pentagram. My point was that you might laugh at a "slave" joke but
I know a lot of people who wouldn't. There is a whole myth tied to the
pentagram so now those people who wear it as a symbol of love of earth
have to deal with the ignorant majority who continue to see it as some

thing
negative...which by the way was how you used it. I am not saying you are
mounting a anti-pagan campaign..merely pointing out how your "jokes" are
spreading ignorance. How bout those burning cross jokes huh???? what?
not funny?


First off...I have a black cat too..big deal. That's another stupid myth.
Secondly,
you aren't well versed in Paganism or Wicca or you wouldn't think the
pentagram
they use is the same as the inverted one used by the satanist. It's not

the
same
as the star of David either in case that alluded you.


Honestly...I am one of the least "militant" people I know when it comes
to this stuff. NONE of the pagans I know appreciate the continued
spread of ignorance when it comes to our spirituality. Frankly..I don't
think
you know any practicing Wiccans. Yes, we walk in the light, are basically
positive earth based persons...but having to deal with discrimination
because
some yahoo got the wrong idea about what a pentagram means from some
stupid internet joke will make anyone a little cranky.


Ask your witch friends. You have so many that you feel confident
you know what they will find funny...should be a simple task.

BTW, for those who have non-black cats I am also a member of your

society
as
well as I also have a diluted Tabby. If Agua girl or anyone else wants

to
be
mad about that then there is nothing I can do here. I am simply a cat

lover
and servent to two cats.


Again...I don't care what color your cats are. You could have a pet

serpent
for all I care. Just stop promoting the idea..even in joke..that the
pentagram is something to be feared or means something negative. That's
all I asked in the first place. Your the one who got all defensive and
assumed
that my reaction meant I had no sense of humor. This is a religious

symbol.
The fact that some satanist invert it much as they do the cross doesn't

mean
they also "use" the symbol. You can do a lot of harm with your "jokes".
If you really do have "pagan" friends then you should be willing to
grow a little as a human and avoid "jokes" that could potentially harm.

AG




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Old September 15th 03, 04:01 PM
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Cross burning jokes? You have a cross to bear lady? I am so glad you feel
that you must be the know-it-all in everything Pagan but you are incorrect
about the Pentagram. It is used as a symbol by Wiccans (which is a
Paganistic religion), Pagans and of course satanists. You mention the Star
of David which is a Jewish symbol so I guess now you have problem with

Jews
now right? I have to admit you are certainly entertaining all of us by

your
left wing posts. You say you are one of the less militant people regarding
this stuff yet you have no problem ruthlessly attacking people and call

them
ignorant or making them out to be the bad guys here when a pentagram is
mentioned in a joke. You claim I don't know any practicing Wiccans but you
would be incorrect. Get off the warpath here Agua Girl. No harm was even
intented to Pagans but yet you seem to insist that it was. Sheesh! Should
all of us humans be just like you and totally put an end to humor? But of
course that would be offensive to comedians and clowns.


Ignorance is the lack of knowledge. There is nothing wrong with
being ignorant..we can't all know everything. The problem is with
allowing ignorance to continue.
I don't have a cross to bear....but you do. (btw..you missed the
point of that completely)
You seem to think that continuing to spread ignorance through
what you see as harmless jokes should be fine. I offered you the
chance to right a wrong..to stop spreading myths and you got
offended. I suggested you get informed..and you got indignant.
Go to a website on paganism and look at their pentacle or
pentagram than go to a devil worship site and look at theirs.
They aren't the same. The reason I brought up the star of David
is because it also looks similar..but it isn't. You don't want to accept
the truth of your ignorance or lack of knowledge and that shows
more than ignorance....
I thought at first no harm was intended...and my response was to let you
know
that religious persecution does indeed exist. People really do lose their
jobs
and their apartments for NO REASON other than their religious leanings.
That spreading myths does indeed harm no matter what the intent.
When someone says "ow, your standing on my foot"..the proper response
is to apologize and back up. Not explain how you didn't mean to...blame
the person for lacking hard feet and then go on complaining about how
everyone has big feet. (that was a metaphor for stepping on my religion in
case you didn't get it).
Whatever. You obviously don't care to correct your lack of knowledge
or even accept that your "jokes" are spreading a myth that to this day
is harmful. I shudder to think what else you find funny. To that end...
I am done. You can't inform those that bask in their ignorance and wear
stupidity like a cloak.

plonk
AG


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Old September 15th 03, 05:29 PM
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I know what ignorance means but you seem to want to turn this whole thing
into something about you. Stop painting a picture that isn't there. I guess
none of us can be as perfect as you. Nobody was picking on Pagans here. You
were the who threw that one in and got all mad over something that was not
even there. Are you in need of a spotlight here? I highly doubt people lose
their homes over something like religion. If that were true, I think would
think millions in this country would have been denied housing a long time
ago. There is always a reason things happen but I am not going to cry and
say religion is what caused all of my problems.

You seem to mention the Star of David as being similar or looking similar to
the Pentagram. How is that possible? They look nothing alike. I find it a
bit interesting that you turned something humorous into a sudden campaign
that everyone hates Pagans. were never mentioned in the original post. Of
course one mention of the Pentagram which you say is just a symbol and all
of a sudden you get mad and say the joke must be anti-Pagan. No offense was
intended here. I am not ignorant here but it seems to me you wish to lay
judgment here. Who gave you that right? Isn't laying judgment on another
against the Pagan way? You suggest that I go to Web Sites about Paganism but
maybe it is you that needs to do this. Nobody was spreading myths here.
Nobody wasn't picking on Pagans here. You decided to make a mountain out of
a non-existant mole hill here.

I could go round and round about this with you but apparently you are just
going to keep turning this into something about you and that the rest of us
are stupid and ignorant. I am not as perfect as you so I will have to live
with that fact. I am so sorry I disappointed you with having a sense of
humor. I guess I will just be serious all the time and try never to say or
use the word Pentagram in any sentance or conversation again. Also if you
wish, we can also remove the word from the dictionary, encyclopedia and all
other books. This way nobody can ever use it in a joke again. Yes, this was
sarcasm and no it was not intended to pick on or offend Pagans, Wiccans or
any other religion. I have apologized in one of my previous posts if any
Pagans were offended but it apparently escaped Agua Girl who now has the
right to judge other people and beat the hell out of this thread. She has
shown us the way that humor has no place anywhere and for that we can either
thank her or not. Into the killfile she goes and once again we can get back
on the track about cats.


"Agua Girl" wrote in message
...

Ignorance is the lack of knowledge. There is nothing wrong with
being ignorant..we can't all know everything. The problem is with
allowing ignorance to continue.
I don't have a cross to bear....but you do. (btw..you missed the
point of that completely)
You seem to think that continuing to spread ignorance through
what you see as harmless jokes should be fine. I offered you the
chance to right a wrong..to stop spreading myths and you got
offended. I suggested you get informed..and you got indignant.
Go to a website on paganism and look at their pentacle or
pentagram than go to a devil worship site and look at theirs.
They aren't the same. The reason I brought up the star of David
is because it also looks similar..but it isn't. You don't want to accept
the truth of your ignorance or lack of knowledge and that shows
more than ignorance....
I thought at first no harm was intended...and my response was to let you
know
that religious persecution does indeed exist. People really do lose their
jobs
and their apartments for NO REASON other than their religious leanings.
That spreading myths does indeed harm no matter what the intent.
When someone says "ow, your standing on my foot"..the proper response
is to apologize and back up. Not explain how you didn't mean to...blame
the person for lacking hard feet and then go on complaining about how
everyone has big feet. (that was a metaphor for stepping on my religion

in
case you didn't get it).
Whatever. You obviously don't care to correct your lack of knowledge
or even accept that your "jokes" are spreading a myth that to this day
is harmful. I shudder to think what else you find funny. To that end...
I am done. You can't inform those that bask in their ignorance and wear
stupidity like a cloak.

plonk
AG




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Old September 15th 03, 06:31 PM
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In rec.pets.cats.rescue Cat Protector wrote:
Nobody was picking on Pagans here.


Making use of stereotypes about Pagans could certainly be interpretted as
"picking on" them. I found myself somewhat bothered by the post in
question myself. And I'm not even Pagan!

You seem to mention the Star of David as being similar or looking similar to
the Pentagram. How is that possible? They look nothing alike.


IIRC, the comparison was to the stars in the US flag. And she's spot on
with that.

I think a little sensitivity towards a group of religions which has been
traditionally discriminated against would be in order.

Priscilla, who's learned what the five points of the pentagram stand for,
thanks to this thread!
 




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