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Meghan Noecker wrote: On 4 Apr 2005 14:22:04 -0700, "Steve G" wrote: (...) And don't most shelters require you sign a contract to keep them inside. Mine did. And my sister's did too. Mine did not, but the breeder I got my other cat from did (plus a no-declaw clause). Then again, such contracts are basically worthless because they cannot practically be enforced. Steve. |
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"Phil P." wrote in message ... "Ashley" wrote in message ... "CatNipped" wrote in message ... "Ashley" wrote in message ... Cats are the ones *causing* the danger here, not being the victims of it. If you are so concerned about cats *causing* danger to wildlife there I think it's even more irresponsible of you to endanger your environment like that - leaving aside the fact that you're endangering your cat! In cities, or any urban area, the major risk to flora and fauna is habitat removal, not cats. But you *just* said "Cats are the ones *causing* the danger here, not being the victims of it."! You really *are* an idiot! ROTFLMAO! It really is, as Sherry said, like shooting fish in a barrel. And now we have Steve G. and ceb swimming around in there. Enough fish for everyone! |
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"Ashley" wrote in message ... "Meghan Noecker" wrote in message ... On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 12:39:07 -0400, "Mary" wrote: Please do not mistake Ashley's "knowledge" of anything for the truth. I believe it has been shown that her knowledge base is, well, a little light. Of course I was hoping that I might be able to open her mind just a little. Apperently, in her area, everybody lives 5 miles or more apart from each other. Nobody visits her. And she doesn't ever make a mistake. Sigh. You were doing well on the "intelligent debate" stakes up until this point, Meghan. Psst. You are a condescending piece of ****, and a dim bulb at that. Nobody cares what you think about them. |
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"kaeli" wrote in message ... In article , enlightened us with... I worried/worry about this too -- I know I would feel absolutely horrible if something happened to Rosalie outside, or if something had happened to Madeline. But I balance that fear with the knowledge that their lives would be much less happy if they couldn't go out. If I had a house, I'd have someone build a large enclosed cat run with a cat door (or ramp from a window) for my cats. They could go out, be in the grass, chase bugs and such, but still be safe. I really, really want to do this!! |
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In article ,
enlightened us with... I didn't mean to imply that we shouldn't CARE about cats as we care about children, I meant that comparisons between cats and humans based on each one's capacity for autonomy are not helpful. I love Rosalie as a family member, too. But she is better at protecting herself than my friend's 3 year old daughter is. I don't think it's true that she is "equivalent" to a toddler -- that's the comparison that isn't helpful, IMO. I don't feel they are equivalent 100%. Far from it. I do think that one can make comparisons between things that aren't 100% the same, though. Heck, some mentally disabled adults aren't as good at protecting themselves as some toddlers, but that doesn't mean we don't compare them. Compare and contrast is the hallmark of humanity. Or english class. One of the two. The point was that neither a toddler nor a cat (or a dog, etc) can make an informed decision based on something someone tells them. They simply can't comprehend it and process it. I cannot teach a child about red/green lights until they are old enough to "get it". Therefore it is my job to see that they don't wander into traffic. Same for my pets. Same for a mentally disabled adult in my care. Do all those beings have the same intelligence level? Of course not! They are similar, not the same. Can a cat learn to avoid cars? Sure!! But can they learn to be extra careful and watch for the light even when they're scared and running from something, or distracted and chasing a pretty little butterfly? I doubt it. And I can't explain to them what might happen. I can't explain an abstract concept like "the possibility of death" to a cat or a baby. I have lived in places where my cat couldn't go out at all -- I'm not trying to convince you that you should let your cat out. I'm just giving my reasons and trying to explain that one can love their pets as family members and yet have a differing view on this subject. Oh, I didn't mean to make it sound like I was disagreeing with you on the whole "I love my cat but I let it out" thing. I'm sure most people who let their cats out (especially the ones who post here) love their cats and the cats pretty much stay in their own yards/gardens. In fact, it seems to me a lot of the people who let them out do so *because* they love them and think that it's what is best. I don't see too many who say they let the cat out because they don't care what happens to it! (at least not here on this group) I don't let MY cats out because where I live is not safe. And I don't believe in letting cats roam [1] where I live because it isn't safe (and in so populous an area, it's just plain rude, too). I know nothing about where you live. Only you can say how safe your place is, how safe your cats are, where they are allowed to go, etc. [1] Note that I am usually careful to use the word 'roam' -- I have no problems with letting your cats wander about your own property if you live in an area with no predators to harm them. I have a problem with people who let their cats roam, which implies that the cat is all over the neighborhood, in other people's yards, getting into things that aren't yours, etc. -- -- ~kaeli~ When you choke a smurf, what color does it turn? http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace |
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"-L." wrote in message oups.com... Steve G wrote: snip Anyway, let's see what you could've won...ah a lovely set of pinking shears and an orange. Shame, shame. LOL...For some reason this stuck me as exceptionally funny this AM. Thanks. God knows you need something to cheer you up, you nasty old crone. |
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In article .com,
enlightened us with... Anyway, let's see what you could've won...ah a lovely set of pinking shears and an orange. Shame, shame. You are _such_ a ****head sometimes. *laughing* Mean, but funny. -- -- ~kaeli~ Does the name Pavlov ring a bell? http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace |
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"Steve G" wrote in message ups.com... Mary wrote: (...) Yes indeed. And we all know that if Ashley says it, it is true! She has a vast knowledge base. She lives in NZ. We do not. This gives her more weight when commenting on NZ. Oh yes, you must be right. I got killfiled just after she said there was no animal abuse in NZ and I posted the NZ RSPCA site that mentioned "30 of the worst cases of 2004." |
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"Steve G" wrote in message oups.com... Mary wrote: (...) When you accused me of backpedaling, I was not wrong. We're not so green we're cabbage-looking. Well, I wasn't. When your good buddy Lynnie the Socialist (*choke*) Netcop detailed her eye disease here in the cat group I said "Wow. So it isn't always nice people that terrible things happen to." When Mary L. accused me of being happy about Lynnie's macular degeneration I merely pointed out that that is not what I said. Because it wasn't what I said. You called that backpedaling. As usual, you are full of ****. (There you go, Catnipped! I did that just for you. This is typical Steve sniping. He can't hold his own in a fair argument, so this is what he does. I rarely call him on it, but since you called Ashley on the same fatuous bull****, I thought hey, why not.) |
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