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Animals do not "anticipate"



 
 
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Old April 22nd 06, 07:35 PM posted to rec.animals.wildlife,alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,rec.pets.cats.community,rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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Default Animals do not "anticipate"

On 22 Apr 2006 09:16:59 -0700, "Coldwarrior" wrote:

Every afternoon around 6:00 pm my 2 Brits. start their antics to urge
me to go out and play "Wing" which is a pheasant wing on a string at
the end of a fishing pole. If I'm sitting and get up they run for the
door. If I go to the door they run out to the garage where the wing is.
If that isn't anticipation in dogs then maybe you just have the wrong
definition of the word.
Have you ever heard of "Pavlov"?


It's worse than just this. For some unexplained
reason, Goobernicus wants people to believe that:

"Animals cannot be or feel disappointed." - Goo

"Non human animals experience neither pride nor
disappointment. They don't have the mental ability
to feel either." - Goo

"No. Animals do not experience frustration." - Goo

"Dogs NEVER anticipate, nor do cats, or cattle, or any
other animal you've ever encountered." - Goo

"Animals do not experience pride or disappointment.
Period." - Goo

"No animals anticipate." - Goo

"Anticipation requires language." - Goo


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Old April 23rd 06, 08:11 AM posted to rec.animals.wildlife,alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,rec.pets.cats.community,rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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and the most telling of all is the animal that cowers when a situation
arises as if they anticipate being hit, if you have seen this in an animal
and don't realize they anticipate you need to not associate with animals or
other humans for that matter, Lee, who cares for 2 formerly abused cats
dh@. wrote in message ...
On 22 Apr 2006 09:16:59 -0700, "Coldwarrior" wrote:

Every afternoon around 6:00 pm my 2 Brits. start their antics to urge
me to go out and play "Wing" which is a pheasant wing on a string at
the end of a fishing pole. If I'm sitting and get up they run for the
door. If I go to the door they run out to the garage where the wing is.
If that isn't anticipation in dogs then maybe you just have the wrong
definition of the word.
Have you ever heard of "Pavlov"?


It's worse than just this. For some unexplained
reason, Goobernicus wants people to believe that:

"Animals cannot be or feel disappointed." - Goo

"Non human animals experience neither pride nor
disappointment. They don't have the mental ability
to feel either." - Goo

"No. Animals do not experience frustration." - Goo

"Dogs NEVER anticipate, nor do cats, or cattle, or any
other animal you've ever encountered." - Goo

"Animals do not experience pride or disappointment.
Period." - Goo

"No animals anticipate." - Goo

"Anticipation requires language." - Goo




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Old April 24th 06, 12:54 AM posted to rec.animals.wildlife,alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,rec.pets.cats.community,rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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Stormmee wrote:
and the most telling of all is the animal that cowers when a situation
arises as if they anticipate being hit, if you have seen this in an animal
and don't realize they anticipate you need to not associate with animals or
other humans for that matter, Lee, who cares for 2 formerly abused cats


[sarcasm mode] no, really the animal isn't cowering in fear of being
hit. It's
just exhibiting a conditioned response.

dh@. wrote in message ...
On 22 Apr 2006 09:16:59 -0700, "Coldwarrior" wrote:

Every afternoon around 6:00 pm my 2 Brits. start their antics to urge
me to go out and play "Wing" which is a pheasant wing on a string at
the end of a fishing pole. If I'm sitting and get up they run for the
door. If I go to the door they run out to the garage where the wing is.
If that isn't anticipation in dogs then maybe you just have the wrong
definition of the word.
Have you ever heard of "Pavlov"?


It's worse than just this. For some unexplained
reason, Goobernicus wants people to believe that:

"Animals cannot be or feel disappointed." - Goo

"Non human animals experience neither pride nor
disappointment. They don't have the mental ability
to feel either." - Goo

"No. Animals do not experience frustration." - Goo

"Dogs NEVER anticipate, nor do cats, or cattle, or any
other animal you've ever encountered." - Goo

"Animals do not experience pride or disappointment.
Period." - Goo

"No animals anticipate." - Goo

"Anticipation requires language." - Goo



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Old April 24th 06, 03:26 PM posted to rec.animals.wildlife,alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,rec.pets.cats.community,rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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wrote:
"Many times, a human *anticipates* something without
even being told. That's because the human has an
understanding of the passage of time and the repetition
of intermediate events.

Dogs and other animals ABSOLUTELY DO NOT HAVE this kind
of understanding, and THEREFORE do not "anticipate"
anything. If the dog's owner tells the dog "I'm going
to take you for a walk next Saturday", that is
MEANINGLESS to the dog - he does not anticipate going
for the walk. If the owner picks up the leash, as he
always does before taking the dog for a walk, the dog
may react to that *signal* and get excited. It is not
"anticipating" the walk; it is merely giving a
CONDITIONED RESPONSE to a signal.

This difference is *elementary* to people who really
understand the issue" - Goobenicus


What a stupid thing to say. First of all, the reason the dog doesn't
anticipate when "the dog's owner tells the dog "I'm going
to take you for a walk next Saturday"" is because THE DOG DOESN'T

SPEAK ENGLISH!! Duh.

Second of all, it's a dumb thing to claim facts about animals that you
can't possibly know. It was dumb when Descartes said it, thereby
setting the science of animal behavior back 250 years, and it's dumb
today.

Guess you were late getting the word.

Jack
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Old April 24th 06, 06:39 PM posted to rec.animals.wildlife,alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,rec.pets.cats.community,rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:26:58 GMT, Jack Crenshaw wrote:

wrote:
"Many times, a human *anticipates* something without
even being told. That's because the human has an
understanding of the passage of time and the repetition
of intermediate events.

Dogs and other animals ABSOLUTELY DO NOT HAVE this kind
of understanding, and THEREFORE do not "anticipate"
anything. If the dog's owner tells the dog "I'm going
to take you for a walk next Saturday", that is
MEANINGLESS to the dog - he does not anticipate going
for the walk. If the owner picks up the leash, as he
always does before taking the dog for a walk, the dog
may react to that *signal* and get excited. It is not
"anticipating" the walk; it is merely giving a
CONDITIONED RESPONSE to a signal.

This difference is *elementary* to people who really
understand the issue" - Goobenicus


What a stupid thing to say.


From stupid minds....

First of all, the reason the dog doesn't
anticipate when "the dog's owner tells the dog "I'm going
to take you for a walk next Saturday"" is because THE DOG DOESN'T

SPEAK ENGLISH!! Duh.


Goo has always had a problem with things like that. The Goober
also can't understand why it is livestock never learn that they're being
raised to be killed, even though he can't explain how they could
possibly find out.

Second of all, it's a dumb thing to claim facts about animals that you
can't possibly know. It was dumb when Descartes said it, thereby
setting the science of animal behavior back 250 years, and it's dumb
today.


"Wisdom without eloquence has been of little help to the states,
but eloquence without wisdom has often been a great obstcle
and never an advantage." - Cicero

Guess you were late getting the word.

Jack


He's been exposed to it, but can't comprehend. And most
amusingly he considers himself to be very intelligent, hence
his title as Goobernicus: the moron who thinks he's a genius.
That's our Goo :-)
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Old April 24th 06, 06:39 PM posted to rec.animals.wildlife,alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,rec.pets.cats.community,rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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On 21 Apr 2006 the Goober wrote:

****wit David Harrison, pig-****ing cracker, lied:
On 21 Apr 2006 Goo wrote:

"Many times, a human *anticipates* something without
even being told. That's because the human has an
understanding of the passage of time and the repetition
of intermediate events.

Dogs and other animals ABSOLUTELY DO NOT HAVE this kind
of understanding, and THEREFORE do not "anticipate"
anything. If the dog's owner tells the dog "I'm going
to take you for a walk next Saturday", that is
MEANINGLESS to the dog - he does not anticipate going
for the walk. If the owner picks up the leash, as he
always does before taking the dog for a walk, the dog
may react to that *signal* and get excited. It is not
"anticipating" the walk; it is merely giving a
CONDITIONED RESPONSE to a signal.

This difference is *elementary* to people who really
understand the issue." - Goobernicus


Thanks for reposting that, ****wit. Maybe you're beginning to catch
on.


Their response is caused by their anticipation, Goober,


No, ****wit. Anticipation is a mental state that animals do not have.


Everything other than your absurd claims suggests that they do,
Goo.

YOU are projecting the way you "think" you would feel in that situation
onto the animals.


And that could change the behavior of the animals how? Goo???

They do not "anticipate" in that way at all, ****wit.


So you've said Goober, but as yet it appears that you're just
lying again. If you could explain what it is you thinks causes them
to perform actions that clearly appear to be the result of anticipation,
caused by situations which could easily produce anticiapation, if it's
somehow *not* really anticipation, then it could be considered that
there's some change you have a clue what you're trying to talk about.
But you can't Goober, so it can NOT be considered that you might
have a clue. No clue for you, Goo.
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Old April 25th 06, 06:20 AM posted to rec.animals.wildlife,alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,rec.pets.cats.community,rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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****wit David Harrison, moronic lying childlike
cracker, lied:
On 21 Apr 2006 Leif Erikson wrote:


****wit David Harrison, pig-****ing cracker, lied:

On 21 Apr 2006 Leif Erikson wrote:


"Many times, a human *anticipates* something without
even being told. That's because the human has an
understanding of the passage of time and the repetition
of intermediate events.

Dogs and other animals ABSOLUTELY DO NOT HAVE this kind
of understanding, and THEREFORE do not "anticipate"
anything. If the dog's owner tells the dog "I'm going
to take you for a walk next Saturday", that is
MEANINGLESS to the dog - he does not anticipate going
for the walk. If the owner picks up the leash, as he
always does before taking the dog for a walk, the dog
may react to that *signal* and get excited. It is not
"anticipating" the walk; it is merely giving a
CONDITIONED RESPONSE to a signal.

This difference is *elementary* to people who really
understand the issue." - Goobernicus


Thanks for reposting that, ****wit. Maybe you're beginning to catch
on.

Their response is caused by their anticipation, Goober,


No, ****wit. Anticipation is a mental state that animals do not have.



Everything other than your absurd claims suggests that they do,


No, ****wit. Everything says they do NOT.


YOU are projecting the way you "think" you would feel in that situation
onto the animals.



And that could change the behavior of the animals how?


Your projection wouldn't change their behavior at all,
****wit. It changes how it is interpreted, by you:
wrongly. However, it's worth noting that a lot of what
you're calling their "behavior" is non-existent; a
figment of your childlike, wish-projecting but
uninspired imagination.


They do not "anticipate" in that way at all, ****wit.



So you've said Leif,


And so it is, ****wit. They do not "anticipate" in the
meaningful, state-of-mind way you ****wittedly and
wrongly want to suggest. Sorry - that's just how it
is, ****wit.

Once again, ****wit, you lose.
 




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