PETA - People Exhibiting Terrible Attributes

GAUBSTER2 wrote:

From: frlpwr

ANY tactics that peta takes? Even violent or
destructive ones? I think not!

Please cite ONE case of violence or destruction that has been
credited to PETA.

I didn't say they have been credited w/ violence or destruction,

Diagram the sentences. Peta takes any tactics, even violent or
destructive ones.

If you're going to make such public accusations, you need to offer
evidence. Otherwise, your statements are the uninformed ramblings of a
bobbleheaded reactionary. Or maybe this is another of your "evolution
predictions"? Haw.

but I am disagreeing that ANY means justify the ends

Don't you mean "the end justifies the means"? Crikey!

--just as my post stated. I'm not
going to take the time doing google searches right now based on your
defensiveness..

I'm asking you to provide evidence to support your implications. I'm
truth-seeking, not defensive.

but I will say off the top of my head it seems that peta
fanatics broke into research labs sometime back
and released a bunch of research animals into the wild where they
were promptly eaten or maimed by wildlife (while also trashing the place).

How can you possibly know the ultimate disposition of the rodents
released? One thing is for sure, 100% of them would have died as tools
in the monoclonal antibody production protocol. Better they die in the
talons of a hawk then die with a tumor equaling 70% of their body
weight.

The research that was being done
into human medicine was set back a bit from what I understand.

Do you honestly think medical progress rests with one primary
investigator's experiment?

I want to say that it took place in Southern CA, but I don't remember for sure.

You might as well say it, everything else you've written is wrong, too.

The allegations that peta are funding or have otherwise close ties to environmental terrorists (like ELF) is also quite troubling to me.

Really? I take great comfort in knowing there are activists willing to
risk their freedom to plant thorns in the sides of those that rape and
plunder.

GAUBSTER2 wrote:

From: frlpwr

ANY tactics that peta takes? Even violent or
destructive ones? I think not!

Please cite ONE case of violence or destruction that has been
credited to PETA.

I didn't say they have been credited w/ violence or destruction,

Diagram the sentences. Peta takes any tactics, even violent or
destructive ones.

If you're going to make such public accusations, you need to offer
evidence. Otherwise, your statements are the uninformed ramblings of a
bobbleheaded reactionary. Or maybe this is another of your "evolution
predictions"? Haw.

but I am disagreeing that ANY means justify the ends

Don't you mean "the end justifies the means"? Crikey!

--just as my post stated. I'm not
going to take the time doing google searches right now based on your
defensiveness..

I'm asking you to provide evidence to support your implications. I'm
truth-seeking, not defensive.

but I will say off the top of my head it seems that peta
fanatics broke into research labs sometime back
and released a bunch of research animals into the wild where they
were promptly eaten or maimed by wildlife (while also trashing the place).

How can you possibly know the ultimate disposition of the rodents
released? One thing is for sure, 100% of them would have died as tools
in the monoclonal antibody production protocol. Better they die in the
talons of a hawk then die with a tumor equaling 70% of their body
weight.

The research that was being done
into human medicine was set back a bit from what I understand.

Do you honestly think medical progress rests with one primary
investigator's experiment?

I want to say that it took place in Southern CA, but I don't remember for sure.

You might as well say it, everything else you've written is wrong, too.

The allegations that peta are funding or have otherwise close ties to environmental terrorists (like ELF) is also quite troubling to me.

Really? I take great comfort in knowing there are activists willing to
risk their freedom to plant thorns in the sides of those that rape and
plunder.

Kaiju wrote:

(snip)


Now, where PETA really sticks in my craw is its position on domestic
animals...i.e., household pets. Has PETA changed it's belief that
household pets such as dogs and cats be put to death because they are
slaves to humans?

Where do you scrape up this ****? PETA believes all existing companion
animals should be cared for in the best possible manner. They are,
however, opposed to the continued breeding of all domestic species.

Are you an animal breeder?

(snip)

Hell, in the U.S., pets are treated better than children.

Utter bull****. Where in the US can parents have their children
euthanized because they want to move to an apartment that doesn't allow
children?

For all our professed "love" of our companion animals, they live and die
according to human whim. We decide: What they eat. When they eat. Where
they eat. Where and, sometimes, when they urinate and defecate. Where
and when they sleep. When and where they exercise. When, where and if
they interact with their peers. If and with whom they reproduce. Very
often, when and why they die.

We excerise absolute control over them for their entire lives.

Studies indicate that U.S. adults spend far more quality time with
their dogs and cats than they do with their own children.

Citation, please.

Of course, PETA doesn't
care a whole lot about humans, anyway, so big deal.

Caring about humans need not be antithical to caring about animals.

Kaiju whose dog and cat are part of her family and would seriously
harm any PETA critter who would attempt to harm her babies...

Do you think the PETA police are going to roundup people's pets?

No more fiendish punishment could be devised,
were such a thing physically possible,
than that one should be turned loose in society
and remain absolutely unnoticed.

-- William James

You won't have to worry about this. With the kind of hysterical beliefs
you testify to above, you're not likely to go unnoticed.

Kaiju wrote:

(snip)


Now, where PETA really sticks in my craw is its position on domestic
animals...i.e., household pets. Has PETA changed it's belief that
household pets such as dogs and cats be put to death because they are
slaves to humans?

Where do you scrape up this ****? PETA believes all existing companion
animals should be cared for in the best possible manner. They are,
however, opposed to the continued breeding of all domestic species.

Are you an animal breeder?

(snip)

Hell, in the U.S., pets are treated better than children.

Utter bull****. Where in the US can parents have their children
euthanized because they want to move to an apartment that doesn't allow
children?

For all our professed "love" of our companion animals, they live and die
according to human whim. We decide: What they eat. When they eat. Where
they eat. Where and, sometimes, when they urinate and defecate. Where
and when they sleep. When and where they exercise. When, where and if
they interact with their peers. If and with whom they reproduce. Very
often, when and why they die.

We excerise absolute control over them for their entire lives.

Studies indicate that U.S. adults spend far more quality time with
their dogs and cats than they do with their own children.

Citation, please.

Of course, PETA doesn't
care a whole lot about humans, anyway, so big deal.

Caring about humans need not be antithical to caring about animals.

Kaiju whose dog and cat are part of her family and would seriously
harm any PETA critter who would attempt to harm her babies...

Do you think the PETA police are going to roundup people's pets?

No more fiendish punishment could be devised,
were such a thing physically possible,
than that one should be turned loose in society
and remain absolutely unnoticed.

-- William James

You won't have to worry about this. With the kind of hysterical beliefs
you testify to above, you're not likely to go unnoticed.

frlpwr
farted, scratched, flushed and writes

wrote
...Freda Fox, a PETA member, delivered a
package of maggot-infested animal innards to (Editor, Anna)
Wintour's office....

frlpw
If ALF chose to use the San Francisco Chronicle as the agent for their
press releases, would you say the Chronicle was "proud" of ..terrorism?

The mention of the incident (above) was in response to a request asking for an
example of a violent or criminal activity. There was no stipulation as to what
degree of violence or criminal activity was to be posted. For the record, my
offering this act does satisfy the request made. Also, The S.F. Chronicle is
NOT affiliated in any way with A.L.F. or any such group. Yet, it was used to
"promote", "record" "note" the said activities of this radical group. Yes,
A.L.F. was proud of the activites. PETA published the activities of one or
more members (who may or may not have been in touch with PETA official prior to
said activity) in their own publication. They do so as a routine part of their
agenda.

luvskats
Highlight...PETA donated $42,500 to the Rodney Coronado Support Committee.
Coronado is an animal rights terrorist who in 1995
pleaded guilty to firebombing a medical research facility at Michigan State
University.

frlpw
So is it fair to say that you oppose the constitutional guarantee of a
fair trial and competent counsel?

Only a very twisted mind like yours would even make the leap to this ridiculous
connection. The press reported that after Coronado's arrest (he firebombed a
lab at Michegan State University), PETA donated $45,200 to the Rodney Coronado
Support Fund. PETA would not have been able to set up a Rodney Coronado
Defense Fund, because he pled guilty well in advance of the trial and has
always taken credit for the crimes he has committed. According to the
government's sentencing memorandum, Coronado was in contact with PETA before
and after the MSU firebombing. In January-February, 2003, he spoke to crowds at
American University crowd in Washington DC and Cal State Fresno, California.
The topic..how to make a bomb. He was/is a member of the Animal Liberation
Front. Ironically, Ronnie Lee, ALF founder, claims "We are a non-violent
guerilla organisation, dedicated to the liberation of animals from all forms of
cruelty and persecution at the hands of mankind.� For a non-violent
"organisaton" (sic), they promote and chronicle firebombings and other acts of
terrorism all the time!

Getting back to PETA's involvement...They funded the defense with an obscene
amount of money - $45,200. This money could have been spent helping
animals..not a crazed person who bombs buildings and goes around the country
urging others to do the same thing!

Here's the link to the entire article:
http://www.naiaonline.org/body/ca_arson_terrorist(8-7-03).htm

frlpwr
farted, scratched, flushed and writes

wrote
...Freda Fox, a PETA member, delivered a
package of maggot-infested animal innards to (Editor, Anna)
Wintour's office....

frlpw
If ALF chose to use the San Francisco Chronicle as the agent for their
press releases, would you say the Chronicle was "proud" of ..terrorism?

The mention of the incident (above) was in response to a request asking for an
example of a violent or criminal activity. There was no stipulation as to what
degree of violence or criminal activity was to be posted. For the record, my
offering this act does satisfy the request made. Also, The S.F. Chronicle is
NOT affiliated in any way with A.L.F. or any such group. Yet, it was used to
"promote", "record" "note" the said activities of this radical group. Yes,
A.L.F. was proud of the activites. PETA published the activities of one or
more members (who may or may not have been in touch with PETA official prior to
said activity) in their own publication. They do so as a routine part of their
agenda.

luvskats
Highlight...PETA donated $42,500 to the Rodney Coronado Support Committee.
Coronado is an animal rights terrorist who in 1995
pleaded guilty to firebombing a medical research facility at Michigan State
University.

frlpw
So is it fair to say that you oppose the constitutional guarantee of a
fair trial and competent counsel?

Only a very twisted mind like yours would even make the leap to this ridiculous
connection. The press reported that after Coronado's arrest (he firebombed a
lab at Michegan State University), PETA donated $45,200 to the Rodney Coronado
Support Fund. PETA would not have been able to set up a Rodney Coronado
Defense Fund, because he pled guilty well in advance of the trial and has
always taken credit for the crimes he has committed. According to the
government's sentencing memorandum, Coronado was in contact with PETA before
and after the MSU firebombing. In January-February, 2003, he spoke to crowds at
American University crowd in Washington DC and Cal State Fresno, California.
The topic..how to make a bomb. He was/is a member of the Animal Liberation
Front. Ironically, Ronnie Lee, ALF founder, claims "We are a non-violent
guerilla organisation, dedicated to the liberation of animals from all forms of
cruelty and persecution at the hands of mankind.� For a non-violent
"organisaton" (sic), they promote and chronicle firebombings and other acts of
terrorism all the time!

Getting back to PETA's involvement...They funded the defense with an obscene
amount of money - $45,200. This money could have been spent helping
animals..not a crazed person who bombs buildings and goes around the country
urging others to do the same thing!

Here's the link to the entire article:
http://www.naiaonline.org/body/ca_arson_terrorist(8-7-03).htm

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 19:57:03 UTC, frlpwr wrote:

Since the foundation of evolution is natural selection based on _random
mutations_, there can be no evolutionary predictions, you uneducated
moron.

Boy, are you dumb! You don't understand evolution at all, do you?
The genetic mutations may be random, but the results certainly aren't.
The results you see around you are the mutations that worked!
Obviously, your mutation hasn't worked.

To bring yourself a little closer to wisdom, try reading "Guns, Germs,
and Steel", a Pulitzer Prize winning book by Jared Diamond. It's
subtitle is "The Fates of Human Societies". You might even learn
enough to justify posting here again...

--
My cat and I are very much alike: we're both gray, we're both fat,
and we both dig in his litter box.

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 19:57:03 UTC, frlpwr wrote:

Since the foundation of evolution is natural selection based on _random
mutations_, there can be no evolutionary predictions, you uneducated
moron.

Boy, are you dumb! You don't understand evolution at all, do you?
The genetic mutations may be random, but the results certainly aren't.
The results you see around you are the mutations that worked!
Obviously, your mutation hasn't worked.

To bring yourself a little closer to wisdom, try reading "Guns, Germs,
and Steel", a Pulitzer Prize winning book by Jared Diamond. It's
subtitle is "The Fates of Human Societies". You might even learn
enough to justify posting here again...

--
My cat and I are very much alike: we're both gray, we're both fat,
and we both dig in his litter box.

From: frlpwr

Some people are unlikeable. You should know this better than anyone.


Why me? Do you know anything about me? No, you don't. Next, please.

From: frlpwr

Some people are unlikeable. You should know this better than anyone.


Why me? Do you know anything about me? No, you don't. Next, please.