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(Liz) wrote in message om...

Here you go Liz,
Now I would suggest you take your really dangerous ideas about
phosphorus and park them somewhere where they won't harm any other
pets. Just like your innapropriate ideas about CaOx dissolution, what
happened in your junior high chemistry class doesn't always happen in
vivo.


Brown SA, Finco DR, Brown CA, et al
Evaluation of the effects of inhibition of angiotensin converting
enzyme with enalapril in dog with induced chronic renal insufficiency.
Am J Vet Res 2003; 64: 321-327.

Devaux C, Polzin DJ, Osborne CA.
What role does dietary protein restriction play in the management of
chronic renal failure in dogs?
Vet Clin N Amer 1996; 26: 1247-1266.

Polzin DJ, Osborne CA, Jacob F, et al.
Chronic renal failure.
In: Ettinger SJ, Feldman EC, eds. Textbook of Veterinary Internal
Medicine, ed 5. Philadelphia, PA: WB Saunders Co, 2000: 1634-1662.

Barsanti JA, Finco DR.
Dietary management of chronic renal failure in dogs.
J Amer Anim Hosp Assoc 1985; 21: 371-376.

Brown SA, Brown CA, Crowell WA, et al.
Beneficial effects of chronic administration of dietary omega-3
polyunsaturated fatty acids in dogs with renal insufficiency.
J Lab Clin Med 1998; 131: 447-455.

Brown SA, Crowell WA, Barsanti JA, et al.
Beneficial effects of dietary mineral restriction in dogs with marked
reduction of functional renal mass.
J Am Soc Nephrol 1991; 1: 1169-1179.

Brown SA, Finco DR, Brown CA, et al.
Evaluation of the effects of inhibition of angiotensin converting
enzyme with enalapril in dogs with induced chronic renal
insufficiency.
Am J Vet Res 2003; 64: 321-327.

Finco DR, Brown SA, Crowell WA, et al.
Effects of dietary phosphorus and protein in dogs with chronic renal
failure.
Am J Vet Res 1992; 53: 2264-2271.

Finco DR, Brown SA, Crowell WA, et al.
Effects of phosphorus/calcium-restricted and
phosphorus/calcium-replete 32% protein diets in dogs with chronic
renal failure.
Am J Vet Res 1992; 53: 157-163.

Finco DR, Crowell WA, Barsanti JA.
Effects of three diets on dogs with induced chronic renal failure.
Am J Vet Res 1985; 46: 646-653.

Jacob F, Polzin DJ, Osborne CA, et al.
Clinical evaluation of dietary modification for treatment of
spontaneous chronic renal failure in dogs.
J Am Vet Med Assoc 2002; 220: 1315-1320.

Jacob F, Polzin D, Osborne C, et al.
Relationship of diet to uremic morbidity in dogs (abstract).
J Vet Intern Med 2000; 14: 350.

Jacob F, Polzin D, Osborne C, et al.
Spontaneous chronic renal failure (CRF) in dogs: Dietary influence on
natural progression (abstract).
J Vet Intern Med 2000; 14: 350.

Polzin DJ, Osborne CA, Hayden DW, et al.
Effects of modified protein diets in dogs with chronic renal failure.
J Am Vet Med Assoc 1983; 183: 980-986.

Polzin DJ, Osborne CA, Hayden DW, et al.
Influence of reduced protein diets on morbidity, mortality and renal
function in dogs with induced chronic renal failure.
Am J Vet Res 1984; 45: 506-517.

Polzin DJ, Osborne CA, Stevens JB, et al.
Influence of modified protein diets on electrolyte, acid base and
divalent ion balance in dogs with experimentally induced chronic renal
failure.
Am J Vet Res 1982; 43: 1978-1986.

Polzin DJ, Osborne CA.
The importance of egg protein in reduced protein diets designed for
dogs with renal failure.
J Vet Intern Med 1988; 2: 15-21.

Jacob F, Polzin DJ, Osborne CA, Allen TA, Kirk CA, Neaton JD,
Lekcharoensuk C, Swanson LL.
Clinical evaluation of dietary modification for treatment of
spontaneous chronic renal failure in dogs.
J Am Vet Med Assoc 2002 May 15;220(10):1495

Brown SA, Crowell WA, Brown CA, et al.
Pathophysiology and management of progressive renal disease.
Vet Journal 1997; 154: 93-109.

Finco DR, Brown SA, Brown CA, et al.
Progression of chronic renal disease in the dog.
J Vet Intern Med 1999; 13: 516-528.

Cowgill LD.
Advanced therapeutic approaches for the management of uremia - the met
and unmet needs.
J Fel Med Surg 2003; 5: 57-67.

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Influence of dietary protein/calorie intake on renal morphology and
function in cats with 5/6 nephrectomy.
Lab Invest 1994; 70: 347-357.

Adams LG, Polzin DJ, Osborne CA, et al.
Effects of dietary protein and calorie restriction in clinically
normal cats and in cats with surgically induced chronic renal failure.
Am J Vet Res 1993; 54: 1653-1662.

Barber PJ, Rawlings JM, Markwell PJ, et al.
Effect of dietary phosphate restriction on renal secondary
hyperparathyroidism in the cat.
J Small Anim Pract 1999; 40: 62-70.

Brown SA, Brown CA, Jacobs G, et al.
Effects of angiotensin converting enzyme inhibitor benazepril in cats
with induced renal insufficiency.
Am J Vet Res 2001; 62: 375-382.

Brown SA, Pazak HE, Lafamme DP, et al.
Dietary fatty acid composition affects renal function in cats
(abstract).
J Vet Intern Med 1998; 12: 203.

Elliott J, Rawlings JM, Markwell PJ, et al.
Survival of cats with naturally occurring chronic renal failu
Effect of dietary management.
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Kirk CA, Hickman MA.
Dietary protein requirement of cats with spontaneous renal disease
(abstract).
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Mathur S, Syme H, Brown CA, et al.
Effects of the calcium channel antagonist amlodipine in cats with
surgically induced hypertensive renal insufficiency.
Am J Vet Res 2002; 63: 833-839.

Miller RH, Lehmkuhl LB, Smeak DD, et al.
Effect of enalapril on blood pressure, renal function, and the
renin-angiotensin-aldosterione system in cats with autosomal dominant
polycystic kidney disease.
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(Liz) wrote in message . com...

Try reading Dr. Zoran´s article 100 times and you
might understand something.


Try understanding Zoran's work is HYPOTHESIS - and absolutely NOT
proven facts. Try understanding the difference between HYPOTHESIS and
THEORY and proven FACTS - you never know you might learn something. Oh
never mind that would require abandonment of many unsubstantiated and
emotionally held judgments in favor of facts - that would never do.

(Liz) wrote in message . com...

Try reading Dr. Zoran´s article 100 times and you
might understand something.


Try understanding Zoran's work is HYPOTHESIS - and absolutely NOT
proven facts. Try understanding the difference between HYPOTHESIS and
THEORY and proven FACTS - you never know you might learn something. Oh
never mind that would require abandonment of many unsubstantiated and
emotionally held judgments in favor of facts - that would never do.

He could read Dr. Zoran's article a million times but still fail to
comprehend it. His defense of Hill's is pathological. It makes no
sense for someone who "supposedly" has no vested interest in the company.

Lauren

I heard that he works for Petsmart or something like that. I wonder if
he gets extra comission selling SD foods.

He could read Dr. Zoran's article a million times but still fail to
comprehend it. His defense of Hill's is pathological. It makes no
sense for someone who "supposedly" has no vested interest in the company.

Lauren

I heard that he works for Petsmart or something like that. I wonder if
he gets extra comission selling SD foods.

From: (Liz)
Date: 10/27/03 3:12 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

He could read Dr. Zoran's article a million times but still fail to
comprehend it. His defense of Hill's is pathological. It makes no
sense for someone who "supposedly" has no vested interest in the company.

Lauren

I heard that he works for Petsmart or something like that. I wonder if
he gets extra comission selling SD foods.

Boy, you really need to come into the 21st Century! My association w/ Petsmart
ended back in 1997! Your (and your minions) bashing of Hill's is
sociopathic.

From: (Liz)
Date: 10/27/03 3:12 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

He could read Dr. Zoran's article a million times but still fail to
comprehend it. His defense of Hill's is pathological. It makes no
sense for someone who "supposedly" has no vested interest in the company.

Lauren

I heard that he works for Petsmart or something like that. I wonder if
he gets extra comission selling SD foods.

Boy, you really need to come into the 21st Century! My association w/ Petsmart
ended back in 1997! Your (and your minions) bashing of Hill's is
sociopathic.

Hill's products are hardly junk food, but I suppose you think if you repeat
this over and over, someone will actually believe it?

I´m sure you see nothing wrong with a *cat food* listing plant protein
as second ingredient, animal protein as fourth ingredient and more
than 35% carbohydrate content. I´m sure you see nothing wrong with
plant protein, that is, poor quality protein, being at least 38% of
total protein.

It's the nutrients, Liz. Not the ingredient label. Nutrition is more
important than just print on a bag.

Hill's products are hardly junk food, but I suppose you think if you repeat
this over and over, someone will actually believe it?

I´m sure you see nothing wrong with a *cat food* listing plant protein
as second ingredient, animal protein as fourth ingredient and more
than 35% carbohydrate content. I´m sure you see nothing wrong with
plant protein, that is, poor quality protein, being at least 38% of
total protein.

It's the nutrients, Liz. Not the ingredient label. Nutrition is more
important than just print on a bag.

From: (GAUBSTER2)


Hill's products are hardly junk food, but I suppose you think if you
repeat
this over and over, someone will actually believe it?

I´m sure you see nothing wrong with a *cat food* listing plant protein
as second ingredient, animal protein as fourth ingredient and more
than 35% carbohydrate content. I´m sure you see nothing wrong with
plant protein, that is, poor quality protein, being at least 38% of
total protein.

It's the nutrients, Liz. Not the ingredient label. Nutrition is more
important than just print on a bag.

Carnivores don't get proper nutrition from a plant or grain based diet. That's
the point.
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