Hill's Feline S/D, Hill's Feline CD-S

You are either too dumb or you deliberately misinterpret everything
you read. Why waste time with you?

Not possible, huh? That's fascinating considering that my cat forms both
struvite crystals (sometimes in acid urine) and oxalate crystals
(sometimes in alkaline urine). Should I be taking a daily urine sample
and determining what Hill's Prescription Diet to feed him based on
presence of crystals?

How is one of those foods supposed to "know" which type of crystal your cat has
and then "fix" it? Unless those foods are causing the problem to begin with?

If your cat has a struvite or oxalate problem then you would want a food that
either alkanized (sp?) or acidified the urinary Ph. No?

Not possible, huh? That's fascinating considering that my cat forms both
struvite crystals (sometimes in acid urine) and oxalate crystals
(sometimes in alkaline urine). Should I be taking a daily urine sample
and determining what Hill's Prescription Diet to feed him based on
presence of crystals?

How is one of those foods supposed to "know" which type of crystal your cat has
and then "fix" it? Unless those foods are causing the problem to begin with?

If your cat has a struvite or oxalate problem then you would want a food that
either alkanized (sp?) or acidified the urinary Ph. No?

From: (Liz)
Date: 10/21/03 7:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

You are either too dumb or you deliberately misinterpret everything
you read. Why waste time with you?

Ooh, good one Liz. dripping w/ sarcasm

Why when you've been backed into the corner by your lack of substance or logic
you have to respond w/ name calling?

From: (Liz)
Date: 10/21/03 7:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

You are either too dumb or you deliberately misinterpret everything
you read. Why waste time with you?

Ooh, good one Liz. dripping w/ sarcasm

Why when you've been backed into the corner by your lack of substance or logic
you have to respond w/ name calling?

(Albert Pike) wrote in message . com...

No, Albert Pike is not my real name, but I do know who he is. I think
I read about him in one of Manly P. Hall's books (Now there's a good
name!)

Now what were you doing reading old Manlys books? I have a few
different editions of Pike's books, always found them a great method
of falling asleep. The Albert Pike Lodge located south of me in
Wichita Kansas is the largest Masonic Lodge in the world with
something on the order of 5,000 members. Haven't had a chance to visit
there yet but will eventually.

(Albert Pike) wrote in message . com...

No, Albert Pike is not my real name, but I do know who he is. I think
I read about him in one of Manly P. Hall's books (Now there's a good
name!)

Now what were you doing reading old Manlys books? I have a few
different editions of Pike's books, always found them a great method
of falling asleep. The Albert Pike Lodge located south of me in
Wichita Kansas is the largest Masonic Lodge in the world with
something on the order of 5,000 members. Haven't had a chance to visit
there yet but will eventually.

(Albert Pike) wrote in message . com...
(Steve Crane) wrote in message . com...
(Albert Pike) wrote in message . com...
This food was prescribed for my cat who just had a urinary blockage
removed. Does anyone know if my other cat (who is in perfect health)
will develop problems if he also starts to eat the Hill's S/D and
Hill's CD-S food as well ?

Thanks.

Albert,
Prescription Diet s/d is designed for SHORT term feeding only, never
more than a couple months. It's purpose is to remove all traces of any
left over "sand" (crystals). Prescription Diet c/d-s (which will
shortly change names to just plain c/d) is designed for long term
maintenance of a cat. There is no risk in feeding c/d to normal
healthy cats, unless they have some other disease issue which would
contraindicate the food.
I would suggest you keep the normal kitty away from the s/d, but not
worry at all about the c/d.

By the way is Albert Pike your real name or did you simply adopt it
from Morals and Dogma (33°)?


Thanks for your advice Steve,

The only trouble I have now is trying to get my cat to eat the dry
S/D. He won't touch it, even with oregano, as suggested by Hill's. He
also doesn't fancy the S/D canned food, but at least he eats SOME of
it. Hopefully, when I have to put him on the C/D-S, he will like it.

Have I been feeding my cats wrong all there years? I used to leave dry
premium food out for them all day, with plenty of water, which they
drank. Should I keep all the food away and only give them wet and dry
food twice a day (ie 8am and 8pm) ? I'd hate to think of them hungry
while I'm at work.
I regret not reading about urinary tract diseases and wet food diets
earlier.

It seems difficult to switch my cats from a dry food diet to a wet
food one.


Wow, soon after I posted this I my cat has finally started to eat the
dry as well as the wet S/D ! I guess I wasn't patient enough !

Reducing to 2 feedings (morning and night) of wet food has also been
successful. I guess when you're hungry, you'll have to switch. I have
also not noticed any decrease in my cats' energy levels.

(Albert Pike) wrote in message . com...
(Steve Crane) wrote in message . com...
(Albert Pike) wrote in message . com...
This food was prescribed for my cat who just had a urinary blockage
removed. Does anyone know if my other cat (who is in perfect health)
will develop problems if he also starts to eat the Hill's S/D and
Hill's CD-S food as well ?

Thanks.

Albert,
Prescription Diet s/d is designed for SHORT term feeding only, never
more than a couple months. It's purpose is to remove all traces of any
left over "sand" (crystals). Prescription Diet c/d-s (which will
shortly change names to just plain c/d) is designed for long term
maintenance of a cat. There is no risk in feeding c/d to normal
healthy cats, unless they have some other disease issue which would
contraindicate the food.
I would suggest you keep the normal kitty away from the s/d, but not
worry at all about the c/d.

By the way is Albert Pike your real name or did you simply adopt it
from Morals and Dogma (33°)?


Thanks for your advice Steve,

The only trouble I have now is trying to get my cat to eat the dry
S/D. He won't touch it, even with oregano, as suggested by Hill's. He
also doesn't fancy the S/D canned food, but at least he eats SOME of
it. Hopefully, when I have to put him on the C/D-S, he will like it.

Have I been feeding my cats wrong all there years? I used to leave dry
premium food out for them all day, with plenty of water, which they
drank. Should I keep all the food away and only give them wet and dry
food twice a day (ie 8am and 8pm) ? I'd hate to think of them hungry
while I'm at work.
I regret not reading about urinary tract diseases and wet food diets
earlier.

It seems difficult to switch my cats from a dry food diet to a wet
food one.


Wow, soon after I posted this I my cat has finally started to eat the
dry as well as the wet S/D ! I guess I wasn't patient enough !

Reducing to 2 feedings (morning and night) of wet food has also been
successful. I guess when you're hungry, you'll have to switch. I have
also not noticed any decrease in my cats' energy levels.

"Liz" wrote in message
om...

Another reply! ROFL! Don't you feel like a fool for responding to my posts
after stating several times you would not? Oh, that's right, you'd need a
conscience for that and impulse control - both of which you're fresh out
of...


You are either too dumb

Could be... But that's still saying even less about you're mentality since
I'm constantly catching you in deliberate manipulations, misrepresentations
and misinterpretations... If they aren't deliberate, then your problems are
much more serious than I thought....


or you deliberately misinterpret everything

You're *still* trying to sleaze out getting caught red-handed in a
deliberate manipulation and deliberate misinterpretation of my statement!

Here, I'll draw you a picture... may be you'll see your manipulation a bit
clearer.. although I really doubt it...

I said:

"You **should not**, nor are you qualified to advise a person to take his
cat off of a prescription diet - *especially* a cat that just had a urethral
obstruction removed and probably still has crystals!

I seriously hope Albert *ignores* your *dangerous* and *deadly* advice."

(I was *clearly* referring to your *dangerous* and *deadly* advice of taking
the cat off of the prescription diet after his cat just had a urethral
obstruction removed)


To which you replied:

I seriously hope Albert *ignores* your *dangerous* and *deadly* advice.

Really? I often see you give the exact same advice about more water in
the diet (feed canned) to avoid uroliths

It is *not* "the exact same advice". Although I always recommend canned
diets, I have *never* advised *anyone* to take their cat off of a
prescription diet without consulting a vet as *you did*.

Do you see your deliberate misinterpretation, misrepresentation and
manipulation, now? I'll spell it out for you: You *deliberately*
misrepresented my *routine* advice of feeding a *maintenance* canned food
to reduce the risks of urolithiasis, into taking a cat off of a
prescription
diet that's designed to dissolve *existing* crystals/uroliths. Do you get
the picture now, or do you need color slides?

I can certainly understand why you're no longer "in research"... You can't
cite or quote a statement without manipulating it to suit your purpose and
putting your own spin on them... like you did with my post... and studies...
and the survey...


Why waste time with you?

....because you have nothing else better to do.... At least you're learning
something from someone with a lot more actual experience than you...
Although I don't think your narcissism would allow you to admit that...
After all you do think you know better than ACVIM and ACVN Diplomates and
vets....who after reading a few of your theories think you're a "nut
case"...

Come on, let me see that poor impulse control again! LOL!