Hill's Feline S/D, Hill's Feline CD-S

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(Steve Crane) wrote:

Actually it's a bit more complicated than just the urine pH. Lots more
complicated.

I do believe that was my point. There are so many predisposing factors
that it's ridiculous to try to narrow it down to just "acidify for
struvite and alkalinize for oxalate". Yet by altering just one of those
predisposing factors--urine specific gravity--I get a happy, healthy cat
with no clinical signs of his disease.

I'm sure your company's complicated in vitro studies are top-of-the-line
and I've never doubted the ability of a Hill's therapeutic diet to
address the narrow issue for which it was created. What I doubt is the
diet's ability to promote overall wellness and glowing health. My
one-cat in vivo study is progressing just fine in that area as well, and
I'm satisfied with the results.

-Alison in OH

Companies pretend they don´t understand because they make no money
telling people to make sure their cats get plenty of water (liquids in
general). Wanna solve the problem? Water is the solution. But don´t
expect a company to say this openly. They want to make money with
their miracle diets.


Liz, you are sure full of yourself aren't you? You think you know everything
there is to know about FLUTD? Wow. As for the "no money" in canned foods,
that's just ridiculous. There is more profit in a case of canned food being
sold than there is in a bag of food being sold. Not to mention that you have
to buy more cases of cans more often to last as a long as a large bag of food
would. You're not as smart as you think.

BTW, is this the "water dissolves all uroliths" argument that you are ridiculed
for?

Companies pretend they don´t understand because they make no money
telling people to make sure their cats get plenty of water (liquids in
general). Wanna solve the problem? Water is the solution. But don´t
expect a company to say this openly. They want to make money with
their miracle diets.


Liz, you are sure full of yourself aren't you? You think you know everything
there is to know about FLUTD? Wow. As for the "no money" in canned foods,
that's just ridiculous. There is more profit in a case of canned food being
sold than there is in a bag of food being sold. Not to mention that you have
to buy more cases of cans more often to last as a long as a large bag of food
would. You're not as smart as you think.

BTW, is this the "water dissolves all uroliths" argument that you are ridiculed
for?

Liz, you are sure full of yourself aren't you? You think you know everything
there is to know about FLUTD?

I studied crystals for a long time mr.

Wow. As for the "no money" in canned foods,
that's just ridiculous. There is more profit in a case of canned food being
sold than there is in a bag of food being sold.

First, what is cheaper, a maintenance canned food or a prescription
dry diet? I don´t know the prices there but here, to feed a cat for
one month with a maintenance canned diet is cheaper than with a
prescription diet.
Second, how many competitors does Hill´s prescription diet have?
Three? IVD, Purina and Waltham? Any others?
How many competitors does Hill´s maintenance canned diet have? One
hundred? One hundred fifty?
If the owner is convinced to use a prescription diet, he will have 4
diets to choose from, therefore, the chance of any of them being
picked is 25%. If the owner is told that any canned food will do, and
there are 100 brands out there, what is the chance that any is picked?
Only 1%.
So, if you own a company, would you rather have a 25% chance of being
chosen by a customer or a 1% chance of being chosen?
You should think a bit more before you jump to your conclusions.

You're not as smart as you think.

It´s not a matter of being smart, it´s a matter of reading. If you
don´t know something, go read about it. Don´t blame me if you are too
lazy to read or simply don´t care to learn more. IMO, the best defense
anyone has in any situation is INFORMATION. So it´s your choice: be an
idiot that anyone can fool or make yourself smart. Reading will not
kill you but it may save your life.

BTW, is this the "water dissolves all uroliths" argument that you are
ridiculed for?

By who? By someone who only plagiarizes text because he can´t even
understand something enough to use his own words? By someone who will
ridicule and namecall anyone he does not agree with? By someone who
will alter the wording of a study to prove his point? By someone who
is deliberately rude to the point of pushing people away from this ng?
Do you really believe I´m affected at all by what this caveman thinks
of me? Oh, please!

Liz, you are sure full of yourself aren't you? You think you know everything
there is to know about FLUTD?

I studied crystals for a long time mr.

Wow. As for the "no money" in canned foods,
that's just ridiculous. There is more profit in a case of canned food being
sold than there is in a bag of food being sold.

First, what is cheaper, a maintenance canned food or a prescription
dry diet? I don´t know the prices there but here, to feed a cat for
one month with a maintenance canned diet is cheaper than with a
prescription diet.
Second, how many competitors does Hill´s prescription diet have?
Three? IVD, Purina and Waltham? Any others?
How many competitors does Hill´s maintenance canned diet have? One
hundred? One hundred fifty?
If the owner is convinced to use a prescription diet, he will have 4
diets to choose from, therefore, the chance of any of them being
picked is 25%. If the owner is told that any canned food will do, and
there are 100 brands out there, what is the chance that any is picked?
Only 1%.
So, if you own a company, would you rather have a 25% chance of being
chosen by a customer or a 1% chance of being chosen?
You should think a bit more before you jump to your conclusions.

You're not as smart as you think.

It´s not a matter of being smart, it´s a matter of reading. If you
don´t know something, go read about it. Don´t blame me if you are too
lazy to read or simply don´t care to learn more. IMO, the best defense
anyone has in any situation is INFORMATION. So it´s your choice: be an
idiot that anyone can fool or make yourself smart. Reading will not
kill you but it may save your life.

BTW, is this the "water dissolves all uroliths" argument that you are
ridiculed for?

By who? By someone who only plagiarizes text because he can´t even
understand something enough to use his own words? By someone who will
ridicule and namecall anyone he does not agree with? By someone who
will alter the wording of a study to prove his point? By someone who
is deliberately rude to the point of pushing people away from this ng?
Do you really believe I´m affected at all by what this caveman thinks
of me? Oh, please!

"Liz" wrote in message
om...

BTW, is this the "water dissolves all uroliths" argument that you are
ridiculed for?

By someone who
will alter the wording of a study to prove his point?

ROTFLMAO! How many manipulations and *deliberate* misintpretations and
misrepresentations of studies, surveys and articles have I *already* caught
you in *red-handed*??? I lost count!

I posted at least *10* links to veterinary universities that *all* said
calcium oxalate cannot be dissolved in cats and dogs! Do you remember your
narcissistic, egomanical, delusional response?

"Those references need to be updated".!

LMAO! Imagine that, a backwoods, stump-jumping au naturel fanatic is going
to "update" veterinary universities and board certified urologists!

Every vet who read your utteerly *stupid* and assinine theories said you
were a "nut case" and "dangerous".


By someone who
is deliberately rude to the point of pushing people away from this ng?

Naa, just to lying manipulators like you who are a clear and present danger
to cats and their owners.


Do you really believe I´m affected at all by what this caveman thinks
of me? Oh, please!

My only concern is other people and their cats - I couldn't care less about
what affects a narcissistic manipulator like you.... except a speeding
freight train...

The world for cats would be a better place without you in it.

"Liz" wrote in message
om...

BTW, is this the "water dissolves all uroliths" argument that you are
ridiculed for?

By someone who
will alter the wording of a study to prove his point?

ROTFLMAO! How many manipulations and *deliberate* misintpretations and
misrepresentations of studies, surveys and articles have I *already* caught
you in *red-handed*??? I lost count!

I posted at least *10* links to veterinary universities that *all* said
calcium oxalate cannot be dissolved in cats and dogs! Do you remember your
narcissistic, egomanical, delusional response?

"Those references need to be updated".!

LMAO! Imagine that, a backwoods, stump-jumping au naturel fanatic is going
to "update" veterinary universities and board certified urologists!

Every vet who read your utteerly *stupid* and assinine theories said you
were a "nut case" and "dangerous".


By someone who
is deliberately rude to the point of pushing people away from this ng?

Naa, just to lying manipulators like you who are a clear and present danger
to cats and their owners.


Do you really believe I´m affected at all by what this caveman thinks
of me? Oh, please!

My only concern is other people and their cats - I couldn't care less about
what affects a narcissistic manipulator like you.... except a speeding
freight train...

The world for cats would be a better place without you in it.

Thanks, Steve for the clarification.

Want to see how it works by growing your own crystal? Try this:

http://rockhoundingar.com/pebblepups/growcryst.html

The explanation behind this experiment is that the solubility of alum
increases with temperature. When you mix alum in hot water and let the
water cool, you have created a supersaturated solution. Then you add a
crystal (seed) and just watch it grow until the solution is no longer
supersaturated. The growth stops when the solution has reached its
saturation point for that temperature. You can make a very big crystal
by repeating the experiment many times using the same crystal. This is
how stones grow in your kidneys.

Thanks, Steve for the clarification.

Want to see how it works by growing your own crystal? Try this:

http://rockhoundingar.com/pebblepups/growcryst.html

The explanation behind this experiment is that the solubility of alum
increases with temperature. When you mix alum in hot water and let the
water cool, you have created a supersaturated solution. Then you add a
crystal (seed) and just watch it grow until the solution is no longer
supersaturated. The growth stops when the solution has reached its
saturation point for that temperature. You can make a very big crystal
by repeating the experiment many times using the same crystal. This is
how stones grow in your kidneys.

(Liz) wrote in message . com...

First, what is cheaper, a maintenance canned food or a prescription
dry diet?

Unquestionably a DRY Prescription Diet, no if's and's or butt's about
it. Canned foods are ALWAYS substantially more expensive than dry
foods.

Second, how many competitors does Hill´s prescription diet have?
Three? IVD, Purina and Waltham? Any others?

Purina, Waltham, Cadillac, Leo, Triumph, Royal Canin V-Diets, Eukanuba
all sell an Rx diet of some kind.

BTW, is this the "water dissolves all uroliths" argument that you are
ridiculed for?

By who? By someone who only plagiarizes text because he can´t even
understand something enough to use his own words?

Come off it Liz, you're just digging your own grave deeper and deeper.
You were unquestionably proven wrong on the dissolution of CaOx
stones. Why not show us a bit more mature attitude and admit it.