KFC latest news: The Groom-a-thon :-) this might be long..

On Aug 15, 11:47*am, wrote:
On Aug 15, 9:09*am, (Debbie Wilson) wrote:





wrote:
Christina, you may have missed my post about why you should NOT use
human shampoo on animals. Here is more info:

"Shampoo for animals (such as for dogs or cats) should be formulated
especially for them, as their skin has fewer cell layers than human
skin. Cats' skin is 2-3 cell layers thick, while dogs' skin is 3-5
layers. Human skin, by contrast, is 10-15 cell layers thick. This is a
clear example of why one should never use even something as mild as
baby shampoo on a cat, dog, or other pet.

Shampoo intended for animals may contain insecticides or other
medications for treatment of skin conditions or parasite infestations
such as fleas or mange. These must never be used on humans. It is
equally important to note that while some human shampoos may be
harmful when used on animals, any haircare products that contain
active ingredients/drugs (such as zinc in antidandruff shampoos) are
potentially toxic when ingested by animals. Special care must be taken
not to use those products on pets. Cats are at particular risk due to
their instinctive method of grooming their fur with their tongues."

'Tripsovercats',

I am not questioning the correctness of the above facts, but please cite
your source for this info - thanks.

A quick search provided the entry from Wikipedia. There are plenty
more.
From the LA SPCA: " Human shampoo is not made for dogs and cats; it
can be harmful to their skin, drying it out and destroying their
natural oils. "

From Drs. Foster and Smith: "Always use a shampoo formulated for dogs.
Human shampoos have a different pH level and often use harsher
detergents than pet shampoos. You can do more damage than good if you
use a human shampoo on pets"



I stand by the advice I gave, as an experienced cat fosterer of 12
years, in the light of the fact that (1) in the past I have used a small
amount of Johnson's mild, unperfumed, alcohol-free baby shampoo for many
weeks on a foster kitten who was brain-damaged and needed to be washed
regularly. She was absolutely fine with no ill-effects whatsoever and
still is to this day (several years later)

Glad it worked out OK in that instance, but giving advice based on one
experience is invalid, especially when it is a given that human
shampoo should not be used on cats. I work as a vet tech for a
veterinarian (I've been in the field for over 20 years) and we NEVER
advise the use of human shampoo of any kind, no matter how mild it may
be. It is still innappropriate for animals. It is very easy to obtain
appropriate shampoos made specifically for dogs and cats, so there is
no reason to recommend a human shampoo, especially when the subject it
will be used on has been sick and debilitated. It is not a responsible
thing to do.- Hide quoted text -

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Wikipedia is your source? The online resource that *anybody* can
contribute towards?

And Dr. Fosters and Smith while one of the better pet superstores, is
a salesman. Of Course they're going to say buy our soap! It's safer.

*rolls eyes* Your sources are idiotic. I'd rather put a ecological
organic oatmeal based conditioning shampoo that was intended for a
small infant on my pets than some of those very cheap $2 pet shampoos
with unpronouncible ingredients.

While I'm sure your advice is based on a small amount of fact, furry
coats are not human skin and should be treated differently. You also
failed to note that cat and dog shampoo is NOT interchangable. Go be a
prick somewhere else.

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On Aug 16, 9:00 am, "Matthew"
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On Aug 16, 12:40 am, "Matthew"
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God you are an arrogant prick aren't you

You know Matthew, I have not resorted to namecalling and have
presented a cogent and coherent argument out of concern for the
wellbeing of an elderly, debilitated kitty. I find it interesting that
you come here with an agenda and your own personal vendetta and make a
concerted effort to call me names, yet you have nothing to say about
the subject at hand. This type of behavior is childish and certainly
doesn't help KFC. Do you advocate the use of a human product on an
animal that is not good for them? It's too bad that you feel that
concern for an animal should result in namecalling.

Here you go again you just don't learn

Too bad that you have not learned after many of a person has told you to
back off and learn how to deal with people

You treat people as if they are stupid and you assume that they are. For
that you are an arrogant @$$@$

I have stated that you are an intelligent person and have a lot of
knowledge
about cats but you lack any couth or people skills and you constantly show
that in your post.

You did it with me you did it here I guarantee you will do it again

Thank you, Matthew, for proving my point. You did a fantastic job. :-)

Yep proved you are an arrogant piece of work that needs a serious dose of
get off your high horse and take a course in dealing with people. You
showed us big time can't be more proud of you for doing such a fantastic job

But here is the big question will you listen this time

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On Aug 16, 12:40 am, "Matthew"
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God you are an arrogant prick aren't you

You know Matthew, I have not resorted to namecalling and have
presented a cogent and coherent argument out of concern for the
wellbeing of an elderly, debilitated kitty. I find it interesting that
you come here with an agenda and your own personal vendetta and make a
concerted effort to call me names, yet you have nothing to say about
the subject at hand. This type of behavior is childish and certainly
doesn't help KFC. Do you advocate the use of a human product on an
animal that is not good for them? It's too bad that you feel that
concern for an animal should result in namecalling.

Here you go again you just don't learn

Too bad that you have not learned after many of a person has told you to
back off and learn how to deal with people

You treat people as if they are stupid and you assume that they are. For
that you are an arrogant @$$@$

I have stated that you are an intelligent person and have a lot of
knowledge about cats but you lack any couth or people skills and you
constantly show that in your post.

You did it with me you did it here I guarantee you will do it again

I think I love you, Matthew. But all of you are right, all this getting
angry with each other does not help KFC at all.

Tweed


I understand Christina but it irks me when someone assumes you are stupid
when they talk to you

I am always sending good thoughts for the fur balls

Christina Websell wrote:
Hi, folks

In the last thread I started about Kitty FC's amazing progress from
being a no-hoper with RB fast approaching to a diva who had gained a
lot of weight and insisted on roast chicken, I mentioned how her fur
had got into a bad state, partly because she stopped self-grooming
some time ago, partly because I was unable to help her with it for
three months due to my own injuries but mainly because even before
that she just *would not allow it* or at least not often enough to
keep her up to scratch (pardon the unintentional pun.)
So we needed to get the cavalry in, in the form of my friend June.
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But yay! She looks pretty again. I think she knows it. Sing I look
pretty, I look pretty

I'm so pleased. June was the only person amongst my friends who
would have been capable of this, and I've had to hold off asking as
her husband had a heart by-pass op earlier this year. "Will you
help me groom my very old cat?" didn't seem appropriate at that time.

Tweed


Adrian wrote:
I'm so glad to hear that you and June were mostly succesful, I'm sure KFC
will be feeling so much better now. I wonder if she's plotting revenge.


I'm so glad you were able to make KFC feel much more comfortable.
Lots of purrs and hugs,
Polonca and Soncek

Jofirey wrote:
I have to brag on my ten year old grandson. His mother is very
skilled at handling animals. But as you point out, there is a limit
to what one person can do.

Their 3 lb Chihuahua has been having a terrible time with her toe
nails. She got nicked by a groomer as was so traumatized that we
could barely touch her feet. Forget clipping nails.

And the vet said she was going to have to be knocked out to do them.
Not something you want to have to do with a tiny dog that is only a
little over a year old.

She was getting to the point where you could see her feet hurt and
having trouble walking.

Last week, Vicki was trying to work on her with as little luck as
usual. She had the dog on her back and fairly calm but couldn't touch
her with the clippers. Her son Ryan got some treats and joined them
to help. The dog switched her attention to the kid and the treats.
She got a bit of a treat each time the clipper got close enough to do
its job, and Ryan helped to hold her as well as putting the treats in
her mouth.

They got all ten nails. Ryan is so pleased with himself. And Camille
is running around like crazy and enjoying her new pain free feet.

Jo


That's wonderful to hear!
Best wishes,
Polonca and Soncek

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On Aug 17, 1:01 am, "Matthew"
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On Aug 16, 12:40 am, "Matthew"
wrote:
wrote

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God you are an arrogant prick aren't you

You know Matthew, I have not resorted to namecalling and have
presented a cogent and coherent argument out of concern for the
wellbeing of an elderly, debilitated kitty. I find it interesting that
you come here with an agenda and your own personal vendetta and make a
concerted effort to call me names, yet you have nothing to say about
the subject at hand. This type of behavior is childish and certainly
doesn't help KFC. Do you advocate the use of a human product on an
animal that is not good for them? It's too bad that you feel that
concern for an animal should result in namecalling.

Here you go again you just don't learn

Too bad that you have not learned after many of a person has told you
to
back off and learn how to deal with people

You treat people as if they are stupid and you assume that they are.
For
that you are an arrogant @$$@$

I have stated that you are an intelligent person and have a lot of
knowledge about cats but you lack any couth or people skills and you
constantly show that in your post.

You did it with me you did it here I guarantee you will do it again

I think I love you, Matthew. But all of you are right, all this getting
angry with each other does not help KFC at all.

Tweed

I understand Christina but it irks me when someone assumes you are stupid
when they talk to you

I am always sending good thoughts for the fur balls

Why are you expending energy, both physical and mental, to
communicate with this person, who although not a troll, is not
worth your effort?

I was bored

On Aug 16, 11:59*pm, Gracecat wrote:
On Aug 15, 11:47*am, wrote:





On Aug 15, 9:09*am, (Debbie Wilson) wrote:

wrote:
Christina, you may have missed my post about why you should NOT use
human shampoo on animals. Here is more info:

"Shampoo for animals (such as for dogs or cats) should be formulated
especially for them, as their skin has fewer cell layers than human
skin. Cats' skin is 2-3 cell layers thick, while dogs' skin is 3-5
layers. Human skin, by contrast, is 10-15 cell layers thick. This is a
clear example of why one should never use even something as mild as
baby shampoo on a cat, dog, or other pet.

Shampoo intended for animals may contain insecticides or other
medications for treatment of skin conditions or parasite infestations
such as fleas or mange. These must never be used on humans. It is
equally important to note that while some human shampoos may be
harmful when used on animals, any haircare products that contain
active ingredients/drugs (such as zinc in antidandruff shampoos) are
potentially toxic when ingested by animals. Special care must be taken
not to use those products on pets. Cats are at particular risk due to
their instinctive method of grooming their fur with their tongues."

'Tripsovercats',

I am not questioning the correctness of the above facts, but please cite
your source for this info - thanks.

A quick search provided the entry from Wikipedia. There are plenty
more.
From the LA SPCA: " Human shampoo is not made for dogs and cats; it
can be harmful to their skin, drying it out and destroying their
natural oils. "

From Drs. Foster and Smith: "Always use a shampoo formulated for dogs.
Human shampoos have a different pH level and often use harsher
detergents than pet shampoos. You can do more damage than good if you
use a human shampoo on pets"

I stand by the advice I gave, as an experienced cat fosterer of 12
years, in the light of the fact that (1) in the past I have used a small
amount of Johnson's mild, unperfumed, alcohol-free baby shampoo for many
weeks on a foster kitten who was brain-damaged and needed to be washed
regularly. She was absolutely fine with no ill-effects whatsoever and
still is to this day (several years later)

Glad it worked out OK in that instance, but giving advice based on one
experience is invalid, especially when it is a given that human
shampoo should not be used on cats. I work as a vet tech for a
veterinarian (I've been in the field for over 20 years) and we NEVER
advise the use of human shampoo of any kind, no matter how mild it may
be. It is still innappropriate for animals. It is very easy to obtain
appropriate shampoos made specifically for dogs and cats, so there is
no reason to recommend a human shampoo, especially when the subject it
will be used on has been sick and debilitated. It is not a responsible
thing to do.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Wikipedia is your source? The online resource that *anybody* can
contribute towards?

It is only one source, and I offered others.


And Dr. Fosters and Smith while one of the better pet superstores, is
a salesman. Of Course they're going to say buy our soap! It's safer.

They are also owned and run by veterinarians with a reputation to
maintain and years of schooling that you don't have. I have stated
before that I work as a vet tech and have been in the field for over
twenty years. The information I have provided is and has been common
knowledge among those who are even slightly willing to educate
themselves about cats.


*rolls eyes* Your sources are idiotic.

Interesting that you left out the source from the humane organization.
Do you consider them idiots as well? Cherry picking is a rather
cowardly way to debate. If you would like other sources here is one
from a veterinary clinic (not that it will make any difference- you
obviously have an agenda that does not include a desire to have an
intelligent discussion):

From www.pellcityanimalhospital.com- "The first point in selecting a
shampoo is to realize that your pet is not a human and its skin is
very different from ours. Aside from the amount of hair, your pet’s
skin is thinner that ours, has a much different pH, has very few sweat
glands and "sheds" at a much higher rate. So you must use a shampoo
made for dogs and cats."

I'd rather put a ecological
organic oatmeal based conditioning shampoo that was intended for a
small infant on my pets than some of those very cheap $2 pet shampoos
with unpronouncible ingredients.

I'm not seeing where anyone recommended a $2 shampoo.


While I'm sure your advice is based on a small amount of fact,
furry coats are not human skin and should be treated differently.

Ummmmm, that is what I have been saying all along. So, in essence, you
are arguing just for the sake of arguing and actually agree with me.


You also
failed to note that cat and dog shampoo is NOT interchangable.

This is not true. I did state that flea shampoos for dogs should not
be used on cats. I also recommended a shampoo that IS interchangeable
and can be used on both dogs and cats as can most non-flea shampoos.
The link is listed.

Go be a
prick somewhere else

Do you always call people *you have never had interaction with* nasty
names from the get-go? Is this how you treat people you meet in
person? How sad that you choose to be this way towards someone whose
only agenda here is to provide accurate information for the sole
purpose of making sure that an elderly cat is treated properly.

On Aug 17, 1:59*am, "Matthew"
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On Aug 16, 12:40 am, "Matthew"
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God you are an arrogant prick aren't you

You know Matthew, I have not resorted to namecalling and have
presented a cogent and coherent argument out of concern for the
wellbeing of an elderly, debilitated kitty. I find it interesting that
you come here with an agenda and your own personal vendetta and make a
concerted effort to call me names, yet you have nothing to say about
the subject at hand. This type of behavior is childish and certainly
doesn't help KFC. Do you advocate the use of a human product on an
animal that is not good for them? It's too bad that you feel that
concern for an animal should result in namecalling.

Here you go again you just don't learn

Too bad that you have not learned after many of a person has told you to
back off and learn how to deal with people

You treat people as if they are stupid and you assume that they are. For
that you are an arrogant @$$@$

I have stated that you are an intelligent person and have a lot of
knowledge
about cats but you lack any couth or people skills and you constantly show
that in your post.

You did it with me you did it here I guarantee you will do it again

Thank you, Matthew, for proving my point. You did a fantastic job. :-)

Yep *proved you are an arrogant *piece of work that needs a serious dose of
get off your high horse and take a course in dealing with people. *

Do you have any idea how hypocritical this statement is?

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On Aug 17, 1:59 am, "Matthew"
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On Aug 16, 12:40 am, "Matthew"
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wrote

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God you are an arrogant prick aren't you

You know Matthew, I have not resorted to namecalling and have
presented a cogent and coherent argument out of concern for the
wellbeing of an elderly, debilitated kitty. I find it interesting that
you come here with an agenda and your own personal vendetta and make a
concerted effort to call me names, yet you have nothing to say about
the subject at hand. This type of behavior is childish and certainly
doesn't help KFC. Do you advocate the use of a human product on an
animal that is not good for them? It's too bad that you feel that
concern for an animal should result in namecalling.

Here you go again you just don't learn

Too bad that you have not learned after many of a person has told you to
back off and learn how to deal with people

You treat people as if they are stupid and you assume that they are. For
that you are an arrogant @$$@$

I have stated that you are an intelligent person and have a lot of
knowledge
about cats but you lack any couth or people skills and you constantly
show
that in your post.

You did it with me you did it here I guarantee you will do it again

Thank you, Matthew, for proving my point. You did a fantastic job. :-)

Yep proved you are an arrogant piece of work that needs a serious dose of
get off your high horse and take a course in dealing with people.

Do you have any idea how hypocritical this statement is?

Yes you are

On Aug 17, 2:01*am, "Matthew"
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"Christina Websell" wrote in message

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On Aug 16, 12:40 am, "Matthew"
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God you are an arrogant prick aren't you

You know Matthew, I have not resorted to namecalling and have
presented a cogent and coherent argument out of concern for the
wellbeing of an elderly, debilitated kitty. I find it interesting that
you come here with an agenda and your own personal vendetta and make a
concerted effort to call me names, yet you have nothing to say about
the subject at hand. This type of behavior is childish and certainly
doesn't help KFC. Do you advocate the use of a human product on an
animal that is not good for them? *It's too bad that you feel that
concern for an animal should result in namecalling.

Here you go again you just don't learn

Too bad that you have not learned after many of a person has told you to
back off and learn how to deal with people

You treat people as if they are stupid and you assume that they are. *For
that you are an arrogant @$$@$

I have stated that you are an intelligent person and have a lot of
knowledge about cats *but you lack any couth or people skills *and you
constantly show that in your post.

You did it with me *you did it here I guarantee you will do it again

I think I love you, Matthew. But all of you are right, all this getting
angry with each other does not help KFC at all.

Tweed

I understand Christina but it irks me when someone assumes you are stupid
when they talk to you

I have NEVER considered Christina to be stupid and I have NEVER said
or implied she was. If I thought she was I wouldn't have bothered to
offer her the information in the first place. It is about KFC. Not
you. Not her. Not me. Not everyone knows everything and it is always
worth imparting information if it might help someone. As an example,
do you realize how many people don't know onions are toxic to cats? Or
that a strand of tinsle can kill a cat if ingested? Or that flea
products that are safe on dogs can kill cats? Believe it or not,
Matthew, nobody is ever too old to learn, and I think you should stop
and take a long hard look at the over-the-top hostile reaction you
have to what I write. I am plain spoken and direct. I am not going to
change my style to what you decide it should be and I find it
offensive that you think you have a right to dictate what I say or how
I say it. What I suggest you do is stop insinuating meanings and
motives into my messages that are Just. Not. There. I think that this
has much more to do with you and your insecurities than anything that
I have done. You're defensive and unnecessarily nasty when it is not
warranted, and it is telling.