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Rat Poison in food recalled according to local news
On Mar 24, 11:07 am, Barnabas Collins
wrote: snip... Before you come down too hard on Iams beer in mind this stretched across NINETY+ brands. Iams plus 89 other brands at least. Before you blame IAMS the ultimate responsibility is the supplier in China. Menu foods may have been a victim of choosing the wrong supplier. MY personal problem with Menu Foods is that they SAT on their info. for, some reports have said, as many as two weeks before they announced any kind of a problem with their food. To me, that's inexcuseable. You can want to track down the source of the problem all you want and make sure it's not something else before you release ALL the information to the public about the contaminated food, but at least tell your damn consumers that there IS a problem in the first place. The fact that MF didn't do even THAT much is garbage, plain and simple. Also, according to published news reports, Menu Foods learned of the problem after something like 9 cats got sick and died during routine taste testing. Er... 'scuse me, but wouldn't a frickin' red flag go up after the first ONE OR TWO deaths (certainly by the THIRD one, I would think!)??? There are a lot of angry pet owners across North America right now, and there should be. We have a right to be angry. Menu Foods messed up and didn't handle this recall right from start to finish. Do I feel bad that they may have gotten the screws put to 'em by a faulty supplier? Sure, I do. However, when you sit on something of THIS magnitude for weeks and let pets die before you go public with ANY sort of information about a potential problem, then YOU are just as culpable in my book as the supplier of the defective product is. --- Cory |
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Rat Poison in food recalled according to local news
Barnabas Collins wrote:
One thing i'm wondering after the 90+ brands of moist food are removed the shelves is there anything left? The soft food shelves at our local Safeway are better than half empty. (I'm fortunate that all my cats only do dry food. My oldest has never tolerated moist food.) I had to wean both mine off of soft food because it was causing obesity problems for my young tom. They have occasional kitchen snacks. And glad I did ;\ My girlfriend may not have been as fortunate... But i'd want further details before blaming IAMS/science diet/ purina and the other 87 brands. After all it comes down to a question of who knew what when. Where it originated. (I'd add that is probably sheer luck that New York officials stumbled on what the ingredient was.) I read that it was one of the two centers set up for bioterrorism testing that found it. If so, kudos. It's frustrating not knowing what's going on... A -- "It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom -- for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself." - Declaration of Arbroath, 1320 "The state which separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools," Thucydides. |
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Rat Poison in food recalled according to local news
On 24 Mar 2007 14:00:27 -0700, "Cory" wrote:
MY personal problem with Menu Foods is that they SAT on their info. for, some reports have said, as many as two weeks before they announced any kind of a problem with their food. Maybe they had no idea what was causing the problem? Do I feel bad that they may have gotten the screws put to 'em by a faulty supplier? Sure, I do. However, when you sit on something of THIS magnitude for weeks and let pets die before you go public with ANY sort of information about a potential problem, then YOU are just as culpable in my book as the supplier of the defective product is. Do we know for a fact this happened? |
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Rat Poison in food recalled according to local news
My question still remains, where is the Quality control all these brands
advertise, especially the more expensive ones, that is so important to them? Even after two cats died a blind man could see there was a problem, just ask us! "Andy" andy@NOYB wrote in message ... Barnabas Collins wrote: One thing i'm wondering after the 90+ brands of moist food are removed the shelves is there anything left? The soft food shelves at our local Safeway are better than half empty. (I'm fortunate that all my cats only do dry food. My oldest has never tolerated moist food.) I had to wean both mine off of soft food because it was causing obesity problems for my young tom. They have occasional kitchen snacks. And glad I did ;\ My girlfriend may not have been as fortunate... But i'd want further details before blaming IAMS/science diet/ purina and the other 87 brands. After all it comes down to a question of who knew what when. Where it originated. (I'd add that is probably sheer luck that New York officials stumbled on what the ingredient was.) I read that it was one of the two centers set up for bioterrorism testing that found it. If so, kudos. It's frustrating not knowing what's going on... A -- "It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom -- for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself." - Declaration of Arbroath, 1320 "The state which separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools," Thucydides. |
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Rat Poison in food recalled according to local news
On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 17:50:45 -0600, Andy andy@NOYB wrote:
Barnabas Collins wrote: One thing i'm wondering after the 90+ brands of moist food are removed the shelves is there anything left? The soft food shelves at our local Safeway are better than half empty. But after you remove the 90+ brands of moist food is there any moist food left? (I'm fortunate that all my cats only do dry food. My oldest has never tolerated moist food.) I had to wean both mine off of soft food because it was causing obesity problems for my young tom. They have occasional kitchen snacks. Maybe the kitchen snacks are contributing to the obesity? |
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Rat Poison in food recalled according to local news
On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 19:25:02 -0500, "Granby" wrote:
My question still remains, where is the Quality control all these brands advertise, especially the more expensive ones, that is so important to them? Even after two cats died a blind man could see there was a problem, just ask us! I don't want to be in a position to defend menu but you've never worked in retail have you? The problem could be anywhere in a long chain. From the factory to the warehouse, the entire distribution system, the retail warehouses, the retailer, etc. The problem (if there is one could stretch anywhere along the chain. Remember the Tylenol scare? That occurred on the shelf at the store. |
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Rat Poison in food recalled according to local news
Granby wrote:
My question still remains, where is the Quality control all these brands advertise, especially the more expensive ones, that is so important to them? Even after two cats died a blind man could see there was a problem, just ask us! Yup, that's the Real Question, regardless of whether or not aminopterin is the ultimate cause. They still let something slip by them that shouldn't have. I've been wondering for a couple hours, if MF goes under the weight of the pressure they are going to face, and have to cease operations, what are all the big brand names going to do? This isn't bad grain, this is a human produced specific poison. A -- "It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom -- for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself." - Declaration of Arbroath, 1320 "The state which separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools," Thucydides. |
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Rat Poison in food recalled according to local news
Barnabas Collins wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 19:25:02 -0500, "Granby" wrote: My question still remains, where is the Quality control all these brands advertise, especially the more expensive ones, that is so important to them? Even after two cats died a blind man could see there was a problem, just ask us! I don't want to be in a position to defend menu but you've never worked in retail have you? The problem could be anywhere in a long chain. No, it couldn't. It's too widespread. It has to originate from a single source somewhere inside or upstream of the plants it was manufactured in, not on the retail distribution end. Otherwise we would see a very skewed distribution by region. A -- "It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom -- for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself." - Declaration of Arbroath, 1320 "The state which separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools," Thucydides. |
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Rat Poison in food recalled according to local news
One should never assume anything. Yes, as a matter of fact I am in retail.
I have to watch code dates, product condition, source of product etc. I quarantee you if even one of my customers dropped dead after eating anything from my jobsite, it wouldn't take two weeks for the word to get out. Second, how can you say IF IT HAPPENED? One of the producers admits that nine cats died just from normal taste testing. "Barnabas Collins" wrote in message ... On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 19:25:02 -0500, "Granby" wrote: My question still remains, where is the Quality control all these brands advertise, especially the more expensive ones, that is so important to them? Even after two cats died a blind man could see there was a problem, just ask us! I don't want to be in a position to defend menu but you've never worked in retail have you? The problem could be anywhere in a long chain. From the factory to the warehouse, the entire distribution system, the retail warehouses, the retailer, etc. The problem (if there is one could stretch anywhere along the chain. Remember the Tylenol scare? That occurred on the shelf at the store. |
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Rat Poison in food recalled according to local news
Barnabas Collins wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 17:50:45 -0600, Andy andy@NOYB wrote: Barnabas Collins wrote: One thing i'm wondering after the 90+ brands of moist food are removed the shelves is there anything left? The soft food shelves at our local Safeway are better than half empty. But after you remove the 90+ brands of moist food is there any moist food left? Sorry, I wasn't clear - the soft cat food shelves are half empty. (I'm fortunate that all my cats only do dry food. My oldest has never tolerated moist food.) I had to wean both mine off of soft food because it was causing obesity problems for my young tom. They have occasional kitchen snacks. Maybe the kitchen snacks are contributing to the obesity? It was two years ago and the problem is solved already, but thanks for your input. Two months after I began taking them off commercial soft food for snacks and substituted homemade kitchen morsels my tom had lost 4 lbs; and now he's as healthy as I could wish. Still overweight, but not dangerously so. Please note that I *never* overfed; it was the content of the feed that was causing the problem. Specifically, for Bandit (the tom) too much grain products in his diet - and it was my vets recommendation to cut them out. My older female seems to tolerate such just fine, but Bandit did not. A -- "It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom -- for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself." - Declaration of Arbroath, 1320 "The state which separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools," Thucydides. |
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