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Ann MArtin claims debate
I thought I would start a new thread and the other is getting
unwieldy. Let's take a look at this from another angle. ONLY for the sake of argument, let's suppose Ann Martin is right and all pet food contains large amounts of rejected meat meals from human processing, and all the dead cows and pigs from the feed lots. Just to make sure everyone understands - I disagree that such is the case for the major premium manufacturers and can state unequivocally it is not the case for Hill's. But just to take this debate further along let's assume the opposite. Please provide for me an example of a nutrient that is missing, or a nutrient that is in excess, *and* that has proven to be harmful at the level included in the final end product the consumer feeds. Don't waste our time with bogus claims of pentobarb, that's already been proven to be nothing more than scare tactics. Give me a nutrient in excess or a nutrient that is too low and then prove some harm has occurred. This needs to be factual, not opinion. Show us what disease, what deaths, etc have directly occurred because of this supposed contamination. Don't waste our time with Internet Fantasy from the lunatic fringe - provide us with some factual proof. |
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From: (Steve Crane)
Don't waste our time with bogus claims of pentobarb, that's already been proven to be nothing more than scare tactics. I came across this, from a government website. So I don't think these claims you say are bogus, are indeed bogus: http://www.fda.gov/cvm/efoi/DFChart.htm Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm |
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"PawsForThought" wrote in message ... I believe there was a food made with all the correct nutrient levels from shoe leather. Which one? Post the reference... or are you manipulating and putting your own spin on a statement (again) that I made? I said "shoe leather would analyze as a protein source but it wouldn't be very digestible".... I didn't say a diet was made of shoe leather.... |
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"PawsForThought" wrote in message ... I believe there was a food made with all the correct nutrient levels from shoe leather. Which one? Post the reference... or are you manipulating and putting your own spin on a statement (again) that I made? I said "shoe leather would analyze as a protein source but it wouldn't be very digestible".... I didn't say a diet was made of shoe leather.... |
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wrote in message ... olitter (PawsForThought) wrote: I believe there was a food made with all the correct nutrient levels from shoe leather. Steve said provide actual facts not internet fantasy. Do you have a link or reference to the actual party who made it? She's probably misinterpreting one of my posts wherein I said shoe leather would meet the label guarantee for protein but wouldn't be very digestible. I used the analogy for those who are vapor locked behind ingredients and can't move on to the *nutrients*. Lauren has a problem with facts.... but she excels in scare tactics and perpetuating rumors. Phil -mhd |
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wrote in message ... olitter (PawsForThought) wrote: I believe there was a food made with all the correct nutrient levels from shoe leather. Steve said provide actual facts not internet fantasy. Do you have a link or reference to the actual party who made it? She's probably misinterpreting one of my posts wherein I said shoe leather would meet the label guarantee for protein but wouldn't be very digestible. I used the analogy for those who are vapor locked behind ingredients and can't move on to the *nutrients*. Lauren has a problem with facts.... but she excels in scare tactics and perpetuating rumors. Phil -mhd |
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"Ann Martin" wrote in message om... First, I have never stated that "all pet food contains large amounts of rejected meat meals ....but you skillfully worded your phrases to leave the reader with the impression all pet food contains contaminated or rejected ingredients. Most pet owners know very little about feline nutrition and are very susceptible to ambiguous statements. So its easy for an author to phase a statement in such a way that the reader draws the conclusion the author wanted the reader to reach without the author being liable for making false statements. Do you have any actual formal training in veterinary nutrition, or do you just write books to make money by scaring people based on your own conclusions and agenda? Lets be realistic, if even 1/10 of your book was true, thousands of cats who eat commercial cat food would be dropping like flies every day instead of living well into their teens and early twenties.... At least you oppose raw feeding.. I'll give your book that. .. |
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