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Phil P. wrote:
"tension_on_the_wire" wrote in message ups.com... Not such an outrageous question, I thought! It wasn't the question- it was the way you asked it. Here is how I asked it: Second of all, I am very curious to know what it is about a cat's physiology that would protect him from hypertension and renal disease from too much salt intake? Now I am quite curious to know what was so rude about that? Especially considering the fact that it was a direct response to your post inquiring whether I had any more questions! And yes, I do know what a rhetorical question is, and I know the difference between that and arrogant sarcasm. Fortunately, I had the courtesy to ignore your sarcasm and keep mine to myself. You did me no such favor. It was some time later that you finally gave me the references that would answer my question. Thank you. Finally. Would have saved us all a lot of pain if you had posted those right away instead of the exceedingly rude response that you gave me. As a matter of fact, I can't find even one post in which you have not been extremely discourteous towards me and why? Because I had the temerity to question your judgment? It was not such an unreasonable question, after all. And showing surprise at your post about salt was not particularly rude, either, I might add, unless you are a person who is quick to take offense whenever your knowledge is questioned. Surely when you posted information on a newsgroup, you came prepared to be challenged by the occasional knowledgeable person coming through who finds himself skeptical of your response. And surely you are not really so egotistic as to think that the first thing he is going to do is rifle through all your other posts just in case this thread happens to be a carryover from another thread!! And most surely of all, if others here have a high opinion of you, as some seem to do, you would not be so insecure as to truly believe that I am here to start a "****ing contest"? I know for sure, that I am not that insecure, because if I were, I would have deluged you with my qualifications at the getgo. When a person takes the risk of offering medical advice of any type on a newsgroup, even if it is "only" for cats, anyone, including "Einstein" (which is *not* my name, and I would appreciate it if you would make a note of that fact) is entitled to ask how you are qualified to give that advice. And you should be prepared to answer that question promptly or you are acting irresponsibly. I know whereof I speak. Either way, even if those *are* your unreasonable expectations, you could surely have handled the situation with a bit more dignity and courtesy than to treat me like a troll. --tension |
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"tension_on_the_wire" wrote in message oups.com... Phil P. wrote: "tension_on_the_wire" wrote in message ups.com... Not such an outrageous question, I thought! It wasn't the question- it was the way you asked it. Here is how I asked it: Second of all, I am very curious to know what it is about a cat's physiology that would protect him from hypertension and renal disease from too much salt intake? No no no- Don't try to convolute the issue. Your first post was: "What?! Are you actually suggesting that he add salt to the cat's diet just to be happy about the size of his pees?" That's what I didn't like. So, don't try to come off as a poor little innocent victim who got hammered for asking a question. |
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tension_on_the_wire wrote:
one axiom I like to follow in my own life is that those who have knowledge carry a responsibility to use it wisely, humbly and helpfully, not to use it to support their opinion of themselves, or to make other people feel lesser. I have heard the claim "I am only trying to help people" more times than I care to relate by people who really only like to feel important, impress others with their knowledge, and put folks down who come for help but go away feeling a bit stupid for not knowing some salient piece of information. Whatever knowledge I have to impart comes free of any price (including emotional), and no one has to suck up to me to get it, either. Marry me! Just kidding. This is a dearly held belief of mine, too, but after 25+ years of working with self-important software engineering types whose favorite response to any question is "RTFM", it's refreshing to hear an educated, knowledgeable person say something different! Joyce |
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Phil P. wrote:
No no no- Don't try to convolute the issue. Your first post was: "What?! Are you actually suggesting that he add salt to the cat's diet just to be happy about the size of his pees?" That's what I didn't like. So, don't try to come off as a poor little innocent victim who got hammered for asking a question. First of all, considering the context of the post, there was nothing at all inappropriate about me expressing surprise at your suggestion since you did not bother to couch it in any terms which explained its mechanism to the poster and that is highly inappropriate when one presumes to give medical advice of any type. Precisely what, may I ask, is so rude about my expressing surprise and skepticism at your somewhat unusual suggestion? You set yourself up for it in the categorical manner in which you gave the advice in the first place. Please, point out where, in that, or in any other post, did I use insulting, derogatory, abusive or sarcastic language towards you. If the only example you can come up with is the one you just quoted above, then I'm afraid your argument is pretty lame. You didn't "like" it when I presumed to express skepticism? Or was my tone just not humble enough to stroke your magnificent ego? Even if I had posted in an openly rude or abusive manner, as you have done to me on several occasions now, you still had no call to continue or maintain such a negative tone in such an ongoing manner as you still continue to do. Even now, you are writing to me as if you are in a position to dictate to me the gospel according to Dr. Phil, and as if I have no right to question your knowledge. By your logic, I should be ranting at the top of my voice by now on account of the appalling attitude you continue to express toward me. I am not. I have restrained myself despite your abusive posts. You would do well to do the same. The fact that you have, of your own free will, pointed out that post of mine as something to be offended at reveals a great deal about you and your ego. Most people, when challenged in that manner would not have responded in such a rude and discourteous way as you did. Your answer was sarcastic, demeaning, unnecessary and clearly intended to intimidate me with your knowledge and jargon, even though the content of your answer was incomplete. Had you given a more courteous answer, along with the references you finally, in the end, came up with, it would have ended the discussion after one post. You did not. You gave an answer which essentially implied that I should not presume to question you, and that you know more about this issue than I could ever have learned. Quite a presumption on your part, in fact, as it turns out. And when I chose to politely ignore your sarcasm, and take your statement at your word, and ask the questions that you falsely invited, your posts became even more abusive and insulting. Needlessly so, I might point out, since I am still restraining my temper regardless of your continuing insistence in writing to me in such a condescending and patronising manner. If anyone is trying to convolute the issue here, it is you. Read your own posts again, carefully. Several times you have mentioned how you "didn't like" the way I spoke to you and somehow you seem to feel that it justifies rudeness and discourtesy. It does not. It reveals you for what you are...someone who thinks so highly of himself and his knowledge that he has the right to judge and condemn any poster who has the audacity to question his statements. You didn't "like" the way I posed my question? You would have been happier if I had posted with supplication perhaps to your august sum of knowledge....please sir, tell me more? Shall I sit at your feet, Master? Get over yourself. There are others here with knowlege too, and if they choose to question yours, it would behoove you to answer their questions appropriately, and without all the attitude. --tension |
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"tension_on_the_wire" wrote in message oups.com... Phil P. wrote: No no no- Don't try to convolute the issue. Your first post was: "What?! Are you actually suggesting that he add salt to the cat's diet just to be happy about the size of his pees?" That's what I didn't like. So, don't try to come off as a poor little innocent victim who got hammered for asking a question. First of all, Stop whining and get over it. You're acting like spoiled little brat who got your feelings hurt. Get over it. |
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MoMo via CatKB.com wrote:
tension_on_the_wire , I want to thank you for your concern but I also want to say that Phil P has been so helpful to me through this difficult time with my kitty and all the advice he has given has been the same advice given to me by my vet as well when I talk to them. He definitely knows what he is talking about and I have read in other articles that applying a small amount of salt to the food is helpful is getting cats to drink more. Like I said before I really really appreciate your concern (my kitty Trouble thanks you as well) but Phil really does know what he is talking about. Once again Phil, thank you for all you have done through all of my posts, I appreciate it more than you know. Thank you for your well-meaning post, MoMo. I do understand that some people have gotten quite a bit of advice from this poster. I have no objection to that at all, as long as it is coming from someone who has the knowledge, and takes the responsibility seriously enough. I don't question his knowledge base, per se. But, giving medical advice over a newsgroup is a delicate thing, and fraught with peril when one cannot actually examine a patient. I don't insist that advice must be given by someone "qualified" in the traditional sense, but it must be done very carefully and with a lot of explanation and meticulous attention to any qualifying conditions. To retort to me, as he did, when I dared to ask whether he was a DVM, which was, after all, not an unreasonable question considering the nature of the advice and the utter confidence with which he gives it: "Qualified? This is a newsgroup, Einstein. Who the hell are you to determine whose "qualified"." implies that he thinks there is no need to explain the certainty of his knowledge when posting medical advice.. That is certainly a lower standard than there would be in a clinic, and it implies that he feels one does not need to be qualified in order to give medical advice on a newsgroup. Does that reassure you? Not me, for sure. When someone asks me what qualifications I have for giving medical advice, I tell them straight away, no ego involved. Ego and medicine do not mix....as I'm sure we have all found out in one setting or another. You are right about salt getting cats to drink more, of course, and I don't dispute that...that's why they serve pretzels in bars and pubs. But there are some qualifying conditions necessary to make it result in more peeing, including a very careful assessment of the pre-existing fluid status of the cat when you add the salt. A cat in a state of chronic dehydration, which is often the case in cats which have suffered from blockage, especially on dry food, will not necessarily pee out the extra water. Dehydration overrides all mechanisms for peeing out salt or water. And adding salt to a cat which has "hypernatremic" dehydration (high blood salt level) can result in serious damage. And Phil should have carefully explained that to you when suggesting the salt. He should have asked you for the electrolytes labs on your cat. And he had no call to jump down my throat when I questioned his post. That is my main objection. Someone capable of being measurably helpful in this newsgroup, in a medical way, should conduct himself with a little more care and thought to what he is leaving unsaid. And it doesn't matter how many times he might have said it in previous posts or to other posters. It must be said again, and anew to any poster who asks the question again. Medical advice cannot be relegated to an FAQ, or an assumption that people have read the entire history of that NG and should be expected to understand tacitly what he *means*. Not when the health of a living being is involved. *Your* own precious cat, as it turns out, in this case. He should continue to share his knowledge if he is doing it in good faith, but he should take greater care to explain, and part of the reason I am persisting in this "debate" with him is to emphasize to the readers here that they should question him carefully if he doesn't explain. He has knowledge, but no one is infallible and you do not want to find that out the hard way, so ask for explanations. --tension |
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Matthew wrote: Phil has also helped me quite a bit with Rumble and had made my transition with Rumbles' diabetes easier. Also add so did MaryL Yes, I have noticed that MaryL is quite knowledgeable. But you'll notice a world of difference in the style in which she gives advice. She explains herself very clearly and does not take offense at questions. I am glad that he has been able to help you Matthew. I hope, as you will see, from reading my other posts here, that his helpfulness will continue, but improve by being more thoughtful about how he posts his advice. I have taken the trouble to check out his website and it is no doubt an excellent website. At first I could hardly believe it was made by the same person. If he continues that style here in the NG, of meticulously explaining mechanisms, he will continue to be a valuable asset to the group. Just don't be hesitant to question sources, or ask for references if something doesn't sound intuitively obvious. Perhaps this is nothing more than a personal crusade of mine to empower patients....but I believe it is crucial, and especially here on the newsgroup. --tension |
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You just have to remember words can be interpreted so many ways with out
the emotions behind them. To be honest I thought you were being a little of a smart a@@ in the post Not defending anyone in particular just in general. step back and look at it from another angle say it out loud see how it sounds. It is so easy to misinterpret anything written look at religion ( NO DON'T GO THERE it was an example) And in Phil's defense we have so many a@@holes and trolls that come here it is hard to make out friend or foe sometimes. Both me and you are in the other cat groups you see the idiocy that goes on there. Same here so more intelligence in this group "tension_on_the_wire" wrote in message ups.com... Matthew wrote: Phil has also helped me quite a bit with Rumble and had made my transition with Rumbles' diabetes easier. Also add so did MaryL Yes, I have noticed that MaryL is quite knowledgeable. But you'll notice a world of difference in the style in which she gives advice. She explains herself very clearly and does not take offense at questions. I am glad that he has been able to help you Matthew. I hope, as you will see, from reading my other posts here, that his helpfulness will continue, but improve by being more thoughtful about how he posts his advice. I have taken the trouble to check out his website and it is no doubt an excellent website. At first I could hardly believe it was made by the same person. If he continues that style here in the NG, of meticulously explaining mechanisms, he will continue to be a valuable asset to the group. Just don't be hesitant to question sources, or ask for references if something doesn't sound intuitively obvious. Perhaps this is nothing more than a personal crusade of mine to empower patients....but I believe it is crucial, and especially here on the newsgroup. --tension |
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