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Best Method for Declawing a Cat?
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 07:30:14 +0100, Nomen Nescio wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: Charlie Wilkes Good luck trading sex for housing. LOL Just what this group needs......ANOTHER angry bitch who thinks her pussy was cast in solid gold. She is indeed a cauldron of fury. But I give her high marks for her candor. Charlie |
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Best Method for Declawing a Cat?
On Jan 18, 12:45*pm, eDog wrote: Although I am against it, a new and rather expensive leather sofa has raised the possibility of declawing my 3 cats. If I have to get them declawed what is the best way to do it? What kinds of questions should I ask the vet? What kind of equipment should he have/use? Simply declawing their front paws may not accomplish much with regard to protecting the furniture. Also, I am going to ask in a separate thread: If I keep my cats nails trimmed short will they still be able to (unintentionally) damage my leather sofa? -- Looking for a clue. Just do it and don't worry about the details. Let the professionals handle it and take confidence that they know what they're doing. Our cat was on both occasions totally unaffected by his declawing. Have faith in medical technology, my boy.. And rest easy. It'll be the best money you ever spent. Sure beats getting shredded furniture. Or in worse-case, having to get rid of the cat.... IBen Getiner |
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Best Method for Declawing a Cat?
cybercat wrote: "eDog" wrote If I keep my cats nails trimmed short will they still be able to (unintentionally) damage my leather sofa? No. Don't declaw. All methods are the same--amputation of the last joint of the fingers. Cats don't HAVE fingers, jerk-off... I had this done to my first cat, and she became a biter, Bull****. YOU began to feel unwarranted guilt. That's all. That's because you're emotionally imbalanced. and stopped covering her poop in the cat box. Maybe you need to change the litter a little more often? That's usually the problem in this area, you know... It deforms their feet Bull****. Prove that claim. and it is not necessary. The claws are the only thing that is not necessary. That's why we have them removed. I have two cats now, keep their claws trimmed, and have no damage at all. Again, more bull****. I've never been over to the house of a anti-declaw kook yet where their furniture doesn't look like someone cut it up for paper dolls. One look and you can tell you've got a nut-job on your hands. Perfect "one-two" strategy: trim claws and get stuff they like to scratch more than the sofa. Tall posts (32 inches or better) and an Alpine Scratcher work for us. Perfect one... (and that's it) strategy. GET THE ANIMAL'S CLAWS REMOVED. They live indoors so they don't need them anymore. I don't understand why someone would even hesitate. It's just common sense. IBen |
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Best Method for Declawing a Cat?
"Jim Comfort" wrote in message
... CatNipped wrote: Oh sure, I forgot, animals don't have nerve endings and so can't feel pain like humans can - or is it that since it's an animal in pain it doesn't count for as much - or is it that you don't think amputating a digit at the first knuckle, and then having to walk on that knuckle, wouldn't cause pain??? Go back and re-read my comment and you'll find that I didn't say that they can't feel pain...what I said was that pet owners project emotions that the animals aren't really displaying. And neither was I, in the original post, saying *anything* about a cat's emotions - I was stating that they felt horrible physical pain. Most of the time cats are sent home from the vet after (at the most) 24 hours with *NO* pain medication. I am simply stating that, just like you or me, cats have nerve endings and can feel physical pain just as much as you or I could. Can you get out of your egocentric / humanocentric ideas long enough to empathize? How do you think it would feel to you, physically, not emotionally, if someone cut off the ends of all your fingers at the first knuckle? Would you be ready to go home after 24 hours without pain medications? And what if you were forced to *walk* on those amputated digits in order to get to your food or the bathroom? An example...when cats sit on peoples' laps and rub their faces on the person, they aren't "being lovey", they are marking their territory with the oils on their face. Nowhere have I stated that cats have the same emotions, thoughts, or motivations as humans do. Indeed, in some cases [pointedly looking at the poster] those emotions thoughts and motivations are not as base as some humans' (referencing Scarlett, the mother cat whose eared were burned off as she went back into a burning warehouse again and again to rescue her kittens). I am not anthropomorphizing here, I am simply empathizing - something you seem to have a problem with. I don't need to feel that cats are the same as humans, I admire them as the beautiful, perfect predators that thousands of years of evolution have made them to be. Since you obviously know so little about cats, let me clue you in - cats are one of the most stoic creatures on earth, in fact all predators have to be pretty stoic since, in the wild, they would either starve to death or be the victims of other carnivores if they gave in to their pain. One reason that responsible pet owners wouldn't put a completely domesticated animal in "the wild" situations, yet most pet owners are far from responsible, choosing instead to think it "cute" when Fluffy or Fido go next door to do their business in the neighbors yard, then neglect to clean up afterward. Adventure still goes out bird-hunting, but when she's done, she brings it to the front door and leaves it there, choosing instead to come in and eat cat food indoors where it's warm. And we live in the country, where she can go roaming without causing accidents by crossing busy streets or highways (an aside, a few years back a woman actually swerved to miss a dog during rush hour traffic not far from here and ended up choosing instead a head-on collision, killing two of the occupants in the other car...how someone can choose to risk other peoples' lives over those of an animal, any animal, is baffling, IMO). What is amazing and distressing to me is that some pet owners are so irresponsible as to let their pets roam to become a danger to themselves, the neighborhood wildlife, and other people. What I really think is going on with you, however, is that you're minimalizing the pain you put your cat through. I can understand that - if you acknowledged the pain you caused you might feel a pinch from your conscience, so you *have* to deny the fact that you put your cat through unnecessary pain because you thought more about an inanimate piece of furniture than a sentient creature. Keep thinking. I remember quite clearly the entire "ordeal", and there was simply no "ordeal". I see now, though, that you can't accept that someone actually had a smooth and non-traumatic experience with the procedure and feel the need to make up the experience with a different outcome that fits what you desire. The bottom line is that one can't definitively state that the procedure is "always" bad for the animal, but I doubt that you'll be one to agree with that conclusion, even when presented with a case contrary to your opinion. Yes, one can. It is *NEVER* a good idea to mutilate a living being for the sake of inanimate objects. CatNipped -- Jim Comfort Professional Student -- Computer Science Major Math Minor |
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Best Method for Declawing a Cat?
On 24 Jan, 08:56, Charlie Wilkes wrote: On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 07:30:14 +0100, Nomen Nescio wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: Charlie Wilkes Good luck trading sex for housing. LOL Just what this group needs......ANOTHER angry bitch who thinks her pussy was cast in solid gold.She is indeed a cauldron of fury. But I give her high marks for her candor. Charlie ha ha, i am far too old to be angry anymore, I am just resigned to the way the world works now and accept it. I am certainly not going tobe trading sex for housing, I woudl only have to do that if iw ere to stay in tecahing and put up with it's lousy salaries, but i am getting out and aiming for a better job so i can buy my own roof over my head, I don't particularly want to be beholden to anyone for my shelter, male or female |
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Best Method for Declawing a Cat?
On Jan 18, 11:45 am, eDog wrote:
If I keep my cats nails trimmed short will they still be able to (unintentionally) damage my leather sofa? I didn't read all 106 replies, so forgive me if this was mentioned: Try Sticky Paws. It's a transparent double-face tape that comes in sheets. It stopped our cats from scratching the leather sofa, and they even stay away from it now that the Sticky Paws is removed. |
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Best Method for Declawing a Cat?
On 24 Jan, 14:15, "CatNipped" wrote: "Jim Comfort" wrote in messagenews:hY2dnZF2c5mFASvYnZ2dnUVZ_qemnZ2d@adelp hia.com... CatNipped wrote: Oh sure, I forgot, animals don't have nerve endings and so can't feel pain like humans can - or is it that since it's an animal in pain it doesn't count for as much - or is it that you don't think amputating a digit at the first knuckle, and then having to walk on that knuckle, wouldn't cause pain??? Go back and re-read my comment and you'll find that I didn't say that they can't feel pain...what I said was that pet owners project emotions that the animals aren't really displaying.And neither was I, in the original post, saying *anything* about a cat's emotions - I was stating that they felt horrible physical pain. Most of the time cats are sent home from the vet after (at the most) 24 hours with *NO* pain medication. I am simply stating that, just like you or me, cats have nerve endings and can feel physical pain just as much as you or I could. Can you get out of your egocentric / humanocentric ideas long enough to empathize? How do you think it would feel to you, physically, not emotionally, if someone cut off the ends of all your fingers at the first knuckle? Would you be ready to go home after 24 hours without pain medications? And what if you were forced to *walk* on those amputated digits in order to get to your food or the bathroom? An example...when cats sit on peoples' laps and rub their faces on the person, they aren't "being lovey", they are marking their territory with the oils on their face.Nowhere have I stated that cats have the same emotions, thoughts, or motivations as humans do. Indeed, in some cases [pointedly looking at the poster] those emotions thoughts and motivations are not as base as some humans' (referencing Scarlett, the mother cat whose eared were burned off as she went back into a burning warehouse again and again to rescue her kittens). I am not anthropomorphizing here, I am simply empathizing - something you seem to have a problem with. I don't need to feel that cats are the same as humans, I admire them as the beautiful, perfect predators that thousands of years of evolution have made them to be. Since you obviously know so little about cats, let me clue you in - cats are one of the most stoic creatures on earth, in fact all predators have to be pretty stoic since, in the wild, they would either starve to death or be the victims of other carnivores if they gave in to their pain. One reason that responsible pet owners wouldn't put a completely domesticated animal in "the wild" situations, yet most pet owners are far from responsible, choosing instead to think it "cute" when Fluffy or Fido go next door to do their business in the neighbors yard, then neglect to clean up afterward. Adventure still goes out bird-hunting, but when she's done, she brings it to the front door and leaves it there, choosing instead to come in and eat cat food indoors where it's warm. And we live in the country, where she can go roaming without causing accidents by crossing busy streets or highways (an aside, a few years back a woman actually swerved to miss a dog during rush hour traffic not far from here and ended up choosing instead a head-on collision, killing two of the occupants in the other car...how someone can choose to risk other peoples' lives over those of an animal, any animal, is baffling, IMO).What is amazing and distressing to me is that some pet owners are so irresponsible as to let their pets roam to become a danger to themselves, the neighborhood wildlife, and other people. What I really think is going on with you, however, is that you're minimalizing the pain you put your cat through. I can understand that - if you acknowledged the pain you caused you might feel a pinch from your conscience, so you *have* to deny the fact that you put your cat through unnecessary pain because you thought more about an inanimate piece of furniture than a sentient creature. Keep thinking. I remember quite clearly the entire "ordeal", and there was simply no "ordeal". I see now, though, that you can't accept that someone actually had a smooth and non-traumatic experience with the procedure and feel the need to make up the experience with a different outcome that fits what you desire. The bottom line is that one can't definitively state that the procedure is "always" bad for the animal, but I doubt that you'll be one to agree with that conclusion, even when presented with a case contrary to your opinion.Yes, one can. It is *NEVER* a good idea to mutilate a living being for the sake of inanimate objects. CatNipped save your breath, the guy is obviously a **** and a pompous, arrogant, sadistic, verging on the psychotic one at that, trying to justify inflicting unnecessary pain and harm on innocent creatures. lets just hope that karma comes round to get him, cos what goes around comes around |
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Best Method for Declawing a Cat?
This is for Bookie and CatNipped. Have I resorted to personal attacks
directed at either of you in relaying my experience regarding declawing to eDog? Because if I did, it was unintentional, and I apologize. If I didn't, can you lose the personal attacks and either refute my observations factually, or accept that, at least in some cases, cats show no adverse reactions to the procedure? Specifically for Bookie, thanks yet again for another brilliant post full of fact-based material presented in a professional manner designed to persuade me that I am mistaken by raising skilled debate points. I'm speechless. -- Jim Comfort Professional Student -- Computer Science Major Math Minor |
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Best Method for Declawing a Cat?
On 24 Jan, 23:00, "Jim Comfort" wrote: This is for Bookie and CatNipped. Have I resorted to personal attacks directed at either of you in relaying my experience regarding declawing to eDog? Because if I did, it was unintentional, and I apologize. If I didn't, can you lose the personal attacks and either refute my observations factually, or accept that, at least in some cases, cats show no adverse reactions to the procedure? Specifically for Bookie, thanks yet again for another brilliant post full of fact-based material presented in a professional manner designed to persuade me that I am mistaken by raising skilled debate points. I'm speechless. unlike your cats, who remain toe-less, claw-less and protection-less |
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Best Method for Declawing a Cat?
Huh???
-- Jim Comfort Professional Student -- Computer Science Major Math Minor |
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