Women and cats

"Paul Stamler" wrote in message
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cindys wrote in message
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"Cat Protector" wrote in message
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I do not judge others myself. BTW, I myself am Jewish and when I
adopted
my
cat Isis it was a requirement to have her spayed. I was all for it. I
am
still for spaying/neutering. I do not see it as mutilation.

The torah is not open to individual interpretation, and the fact remains
that for a Jew to spay or neuter is a torah transgression. The mitzvos
do
not apply to non-Jews, and therefore the torah would not find it
problematic
for a non-Jew to spay or neuter.

In other words, the equvalent of a "Shabbos goy"? (For those not familiar
with the term, a "Shabbos goy" was a Gentile employed by observant Jews to
mind the store or run the factory on the sabbath, when Jews are not
permitted to work.)
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Not at all. The fact is that all Jews are obligated to observe shabbos, but
no one is obligated to adopt an animal.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.

"Paul Stamler" wrote in message
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cindys wrote in message
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"Cat Protector" wrote in message
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I do not judge others myself. BTW, I myself am Jewish and when I
adopted
my
cat Isis it was a requirement to have her spayed. I was all for it. I
am
still for spaying/neutering. I do not see it as mutilation.

The torah is not open to individual interpretation, and the fact remains
that for a Jew to spay or neuter is a torah transgression. The mitzvos
do
not apply to non-Jews, and therefore the torah would not find it
problematic
for a non-Jew to spay or neuter.

In other words, the equvalent of a "Shabbos goy"? (For those not familiar
with the term, a "Shabbos goy" was a Gentile employed by observant Jews to
mind the store or run the factory on the sabbath, when Jews are not
permitted to work.)
----------
Not at all. The fact is that all Jews are obligated to observe shabbos, but
no one is obligated to adopt an animal.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.

On who's rule do you say that? Also, who is to say what is tradition? These
things after all were written by man so I'd hardly call the torah law. Also,
what do you consider traditional Jews? Those who are reform are certainly
not going to let the Jewish laws limit them.

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"cindys" wrote in message
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"Cat Protector" wrote in message
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I think the torah is very much open to individual interpretation.

You're entitled to your opinion, but traditional Jews don't see it that
way.

Last time
I checked we're all apart of humanity. I don't believe in limits. Why
should
I be bound by the rules of the torah?

You're entitled to your opinion, but traditional Jews don't see it this
way.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.





This is 2004. Not the days of Moses.

On who's rule do you say that? Also, who is to say what is tradition? These
things after all were written by man so I'd hardly call the torah law. Also,
what do you consider traditional Jews? Those who are reform are certainly
not going to let the Jewish laws limit them.

--
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"cindys" wrote in message
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"Cat Protector" wrote in message
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I think the torah is very much open to individual interpretation.

You're entitled to your opinion, but traditional Jews don't see it that
way.

Last time
I checked we're all apart of humanity. I don't believe in limits. Why
should
I be bound by the rules of the torah?

You're entitled to your opinion, but traditional Jews don't see it this
way.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.





This is 2004. Not the days of Moses.

That is not a fact. I certainly don't observe Shabbot.

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"cindys" wrote in message
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Not at all. The fact is that all Jews are obligated to observe shabbos,
but
no one is obligated to adopt an animal.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.

That is not a fact. I certainly don't observe Shabbot.

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"cindys" wrote in message
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Not at all. The fact is that all Jews are obligated to observe shabbos,
but
no one is obligated to adopt an animal.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.

I agree on this one. A perfect example is Passover. My mom made it a little
bit more fun than reading the books time after time. Also, she added a
metaphysical twist which made it go down a lot easier.

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"Tommy B" wrote in message
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Does the Torah say anything about anesthetics?
Religion, like software seems to need constant updates!

I agree on this one. A perfect example is Passover. My mom made it a little
bit more fun than reading the books time after time. Also, she added a
metaphysical twist which made it go down a lot easier.

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"Tommy B" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Does the Torah say anything about anesthetics?
Religion, like software seems to need constant updates!

cindys wrote in message
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The torah is not open to individual interpretation, and the fact
remains
that for a Jew to spay or neuter is a torah transgression. The mitzvos
do
not apply to non-Jews, and therefore the torah would not find it
problematic
for a non-Jew to spay or neuter.

In other words, the equvalent of a "Shabbos goy"? (For those not
familiar
with the term, a "Shabbos goy" was a Gentile employed by observant Jews
to
mind the store or run the factory on the sabbath, when Jews are not
permitted to work.)
----------
Not at all. The fact is that all Jews are obligated to observe shabbos,
but
no one is obligated to adopt an animal.

True but irrelevant; no Jew is required to keep the store or factory open on
Shabbos either. If an owner chooses to do so, s/he employs a Shabbos goy.
Likewise, if s/he adopts a pet, it's one that a Gentile has already
neutered.

Peace,
Paul

cindys wrote in message
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The torah is not open to individual interpretation, and the fact
remains
that for a Jew to spay or neuter is a torah transgression. The mitzvos
do
not apply to non-Jews, and therefore the torah would not find it
problematic
for a non-Jew to spay or neuter.

In other words, the equvalent of a "Shabbos goy"? (For those not
familiar
with the term, a "Shabbos goy" was a Gentile employed by observant Jews
to
mind the store or run the factory on the sabbath, when Jews are not
permitted to work.)
----------
Not at all. The fact is that all Jews are obligated to observe shabbos,
but
no one is obligated to adopt an animal.

True but irrelevant; no Jew is required to keep the store or factory open on
Shabbos either. If an owner chooses to do so, s/he employs a Shabbos goy.
Likewise, if s/he adopts a pet, it's one that a Gentile has already
neutered.

Peace,
Paul