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Sorry I didn't mean to go someplace where I shouldn't have. It is tough
enough without well meaning people upsetting you more. "Christina Websell" wrote in message ... Tell your vet that Kitty does not have "nerves" and that its the most stupid thing I ever heard a vet say in my life. She is ill. She has chronic kidney failure, she was fed stupid food by a neighbour, which may well be the death of her since we cannot resolve her diarrhoea and get her eating again. One thing she *does* not have is nerves. I would find another vet if I were you if that's the best they can do. Kitty never has "nerves" she has always been a brave cat. Now, Boyfie has nerves sometimes, but he is a totally different kettle of fish. I talked to my vet about KFC just because I think she is so great. He thinks the poo problem, as you call it, is more nerves than anything else. If she is confused, like people that can cause her system to mess up. Poor baby, I also know how hard this is for you. "Christina Websell" wrote in message ... There is not much improvement. She eats a tablespoon of roast chicken per day, that is all, so gets frailer and frailer. She will not entertain any other food. I am not happy that the vet has not addressed her diarrhoea problems since she was kidnapped, she had perfect poo until then, it's obvious to me that if her bowels keep contracting she will not want to eat. I have to clean up and scrub my carpets every day, I do not mind that she is taken short before she can get to the litter box. I expect it. She is bright, so bright and cheerful that I really do think I can keep her going for a bit longer. I'd like her to have one more summer, but the summer I wanted for her was outside, basking, and now I am too afraid to let her out -( I need to think. |
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KFC
"Christina Websell" wrote in message ... wrote: MaryL -out-the-litter wrote: "Christina Websell" wrote in message Also, is KFC getting any fluids (Ringer's lactate)? If not, I think that would be in order. Your vet can do it, but you can also learn to administer it at home (which is much cheaper and would relieve KFC of the stress of making constant visits to the vet). I apologize for not knowing, but I haven't read all of your messages. I think the vet said not to give fluids. For some reason, it's not easily available in the UK, for pet owners to bring home and administer themselves. I think I remember Adrian saying it was illegal. I don't understand why. It's readily available in the US, and while not dirt cheap, I don't think it's overly expensive either. And it's saved many a kitty's life. We cannot adminster fluids ourselves here. One go at them cost me nearly $500 at the vets and quite rightly he is advising me against doing it again to get a few weeks. To be honest, even if it was legal to do it here I would need a team of 3 or 4 which I haven't. Kitty is getting palliative care, until it gets too much. It does not help me to suggest "we can do this in America" I feel bad enough that I can't do any more. Tweed Of course, you feel bad. I would be devastated. I don't understand what the reasoning is behind having Ringer's readily available here but not in Britain, and neither of us can do anything about that. However, I didn't know that you would not have access to it. I was basing my suggestion on the fact that I had to administer Ringer's myself some years ago. You really do have my utmost sympathy. I have been through the process of going back to a vet time and again, knowing that the end was near, and it is an incredibly painful experience. (Of course, you may have meant to address this to another author since I was not the one who commended on it being readily available. Somehow, my message became mingled with someone else's.) That said, may I ask one final question (with suggestion)? That is, do you have Pedialite readily available in Britain? If so, do you think you could get KFC to take a little of that? I realize that you indicated that it is very difficult to medicate KFC, but Pedialite can be very helpful for electrolyte imbalance. It is sometimes administered by using a syringe (no needle, of course) and squirting it into the corner of the cat's mouth. MaryL |
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"Christina Websell" wrote in message ... There is not much improvement. She eats a tablespoon of roast chicken per day, that is all, so gets frailer and frailer. She will not entertain any other food. I am not happy that the vet has not addressed her diarrhoea problems since she was kidnapped, she had perfect poo until then, it's obvious to me that if her bowels keep contracting she will not want to eat. I really hoped, and I know you did too, that if she made it to spring she would have one more summer. It is never easy, but it is easier when there is something specific wrong that you can't make better. With a slow decline and occasional bright moments, it is nearly impossible to know when to say when. I went through the slow decline with my first and dearest pet. To where I practically had diapers on her and she spent almost all her time sleeping as close to me as she could get. But she still loved her food and relished that till the end. I know now I should have quit sooner than I did, but then it felt like giving up and like failing her. You know in you heart you have not failed KFC no matter what you do. You have only loved her and appreciated her. Jo |
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Christina Websell wrote:
There is not much improvement. She eats a tablespoon of roast chicken per day, that is all, so gets frailer and frailer. She will not entertain any other food. I am not happy that the vet has not addressed her diarrhoea problems since she was kidnapped, she had perfect poo until then, it's obvious to me that if her bowels keep contracting she will not want to eat. I have to clean up and scrub my carpets every day, I do not mind that she is taken short before she can get to the litter box. I expect it. She is bright, so bright and cheerful that I really do think I can keep her going for a bit longer. I'd like her to have one more summer, but the summer I wanted for her was outside, basking, and now I am too afraid to let her out -( I need to think. Oh, honey, I was hoping everything was going to work out okay when you got her back. I've got purrs going across the big pond for you and KFC. kili |
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Christina Websell wrote:
There is not much improvement. She eats a tablespoon of roast chicken per day, that is all, so gets frailer and frailer. She will not entertain any other food. I am not happy that the vet has not addressed her diarrhoea problems since she was kidnapped, she had perfect poo until then, it's obvious to me that if her bowels keep contracting she will not want to eat. I have to clean up and scrub my carpets every day, I do not mind that she is taken short before she can get to the litter box. I expect it. She is bright, so bright and cheerful that I really do think I can keep her going for a bit longer. I'd like her to have one more summer, but the summer I wanted for her was outside, basking, and now I am too afraid to let her out -( I need to think. The first suggestions that come to mind are some product like Benebac, or other probiotic products. Perhaps even Yogurt - maybe administered by diluting it with water or tuna Juice and administering it with a dosing syringe (no needle)? I would suggest also maybe giving her a small or smaller dose of Metronidazole also called Flagyl from your vet? When my male cat Andy had bad Diarrhea/vomiting problems that is all that eventually solved it. He also got Cyproheptadine which has appetite stimulation affects. I think KFC's digestive systems bacterial balance is out of whack and just needs some prompting to be put back in order. Andy was vomiting and having diarrhea several times a day until he was giving Metronidazole and the appetite stimulant and he was only six years old at the time. My vet suggested that he had ingested some bad food or something of the like that did not agree with him and he was nowhere near the age of the grand dame cat named KFC. I hope she pulls through and that this helps in some way. Regards, Richard And massive cat purrs/headbuts from Andy & Mary |
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On Jun 26, 6:05 pm, "Christina Websell" wrote: There is not much improvement. She eats a tablespoon of roast chicken per day, that is all, so gets frailer and frailer. She will not entertain any other food. She is probably dehydrated and nauseous from the buildup of toxins in her bloodstream as a result of her diarrhea and concurrent renal issues. She really needs to get sub-q fluids to help her rehydrate her and flush her system. I saw in another post that you state this is illegal in England, but you are mistaken. While you may not be allowed to administer *IV* fluids to KFC, you certainly can administer sub-q fluids to her and the sooner you learn to do this the better. The owner of the http://www.felinecrf.org website, Helen, developed her website while living in England and has plenty of experience in this area and a fantastic website. She may even be able to recommend a vet that is close to you and get KFC better treatment than what your vet is doing (or not doing) now. I suggest you check out her website and email her ASAP and hopefully you'll get a response. I am not happy that the vet has not addressed her diarrhoea problems since she was kidnapped, she had perfect poo until then, it's obvious to me that if her bowels keep contracting she will not want to eat. You need to call the vet and /or bring in a stool sample and have it analyzed. What is described is not normal and you need to find the cause. Diarrhea causes dehydration and for a cat with renal issues that is very bad and may be part of the reason why she is losing weight along with what is at present untreated CRF. You are KFC's best advocate and as such it is imperative you make a list of issues and make sure the vet addresses each and every one off them. You are writing his paycheck after all! You have every right to expect that he gives you and KFC his all and offers the best options to make her feel better. From what you have described so far it sounds kind of like he is writing her off to old age, when in fact she has some treatable issues. I have to clean up and scrub my carpets every day, I do not mind that she is taken short before she can get to the litter box. I expect it. She is bright, so bright and cheerful that I really do think I can keep her going for a bit longer. I'd like her to have one more summer, but the summer I wanted for her was outside, basking, and now I am too afraid to let her out -( I need to think. |
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On Jun 26, 8:32*pm, "Christina Websell"
wrote: wrote: MaryL -out-the-litter wrote: "Christina Websell" wrote in message We cannot adminster fluids ourselves here. I responded to you in another post and gave you the http://www.felinecrf.org site. If you click on the link, scroll down to the bottom and join the list. From the contact page: "if you want information about a UK vet who might be able to work with you and allow you to give your cat sub-Qs if appropriate, please join the Feline CRF Information List. There are a number of British listmembers who may be able to give you a personal recommendation. In your first post, please state where you are located (your nearest large town or county) and that you are looking for a vet. I read all the list posts, and if I know of a vet in your area, I will contact you privately with details" Hope this helps.* |
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On Jun 26, 4:05*pm, "Christina Websell"
wrote: There is not much improvement. *She eats a tablespoon of roast chicken per day, that is all, so gets frailer and frailer. *She will not entertain any other food. I am not happy that the vet has not addressed her diarrhoea problems since she was kidnapped, she had perfect poo until then, it's obvious to me that if her bowels keep contracting she will not want to eat. I have to clean up and scrub my carpets every day, I do not mind that she is taken short before she can get to the litter box. *I expect it. She is bright, so bright and cheerful that I really do think I can keep her going for a bit longer. *I'd like her to have one more summer, but the summer I wanted for her was outside, basking, and now I am too afraid to let her out -( I need to think. {{{{{Tweed and KFC}}}}} You are both in my thoughts, for what that's worth. Melissa |
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Jofirey wrote:
"Christina Websell" wrote in message ... There is not much improvement. She eats a tablespoon of roast chicken per day, that is all, so gets frailer and frailer. She will not entertain any other food. I am not happy that the vet has not addressed her diarrhoea problems since she was kidnapped, she had perfect poo until then, it's obvious to me that if her bowels keep contracting she will not want to eat. I really hoped, and I know you did too, that if she made it to spring she would have one more summer. It is never easy, but it is easier when there is something specific wrong that you can't make better. With a slow decline and occasional bright moments, it is nearly impossible to know when to say when. I went through the slow decline with my first and dearest pet. To where I practically had diapers on her and she spent almost all her time sleeping as close to me as she could get. But she still loved her food and relished that till the end. I know now I should have quit sooner than I did, but then it felt like giving up and like failing her. Thats how Shmogg was too, toward the end. Spent almost all of his time sleeping (preffrably on me). If he wasn't sleeping he was either drinking or weeing. He still loved his food, but the Bright moments were getting fewer and further apart. Whilst there was Some Life Left in him, we were going away for a month. Even if we could have taken him with us, it wouldn't have been fair to him. Leaving him behind would have been unfair, too, both on him dying without his family around and the folks who would be looking after him. I & the vet helped him go two weeks before we left on holidays. My heart broke, I felt guilty that it was me being selfish about Holidays rather than taking care of him. And yet, in retrospect, I think that he should have gone a month or two earlier than he did, and I was just 'holding on' hoping for a miracle. Knowing exactly when is the right time is difficult when its a slow decline. Your heart is pulled in two directions at once. But at some point you'll see that there is no doubt any more and make the decision, tough as it is. (((((Christina))))) |
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