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... I think the vet said not to give fluids. For some reason, it's not easily available in the UK, for pet owners to bring home and administer themselves. I think I remember Adrian saying it was illegal. I don't understand why. Firstly, purrs, prayers, hugs and skritches for KFC and Tweed. I really do hope it's not her time for the Bridge. Secondly, I'll explain what I have heard as to why it's illegal in the UK for anyone other that a vet to medicate an animal. The reasoning is something like this. Your neighbour could remove your appendix for you, even if they're not qualified or trained to do so - provided that it had been fully explained to you, and you agreed. That's called "informed consent". Now, whilst most of us believe that our cats (or other animals) CAN talk to us, and that they understand what we say, the law believes that they can do neither. Therefore, they are unable to give "informed consent". So, it has to be entrusted to someone who can make the decision on their behalf - i.e. a veterinary surgeon - much the same as a parent giving permission for a surgeon to carry out a procedure on their child. -- MatSav |
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KFC
On Jun 26, 6:05*pm, "Christina Websell"
wrote: There is not much improvement. *She eats a tablespoon of roast chicken per day, that is all, so gets frailer and frailer. *She will not entertain any other food. I am not happy that the vet has not addressed her diarrhoea problems since she was kidnapped, she had perfect poo until then, it's obvious to me that if her bowels keep contracting she will not want to eat. I have to clean up and scrub my carpets every day, I do not mind that she is taken short before she can get to the litter box. *I expect it. She is bright, so bright and cheerful that I really do think I can keep her going for a bit longer. *I'd like her to have one more summer, but the summer I wanted for her was outside, basking, and now I am too afraid to let her out -( I need to think. I wanted to also add that bringing some of her poo (a fresh sample is best) in for analysis will likely give you a quick answer as to the cause of her Diarrhea and how to treat it. She may have Salmonella , giardia, coccidia or a parasite as a result of exposure to an outside source. |
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KFC
"MatSav" matthew | dot | savage | at | dsl | dot | pipex | dot | com wrote
in message ... wrote in message ... I think the vet said not to give fluids. For some reason, it's not easily available in the UK, for pet owners to bring home and administer themselves. I think I remember Adrian saying it was illegal. I don't understand why. Firstly, purrs, prayers, hugs and skritches for KFC and Tweed. I really do hope it's not her time for the Bridge. Secondly, I'll explain what I have heard as to why it's illegal in the UK for anyone other that a vet to medicate an animal. The reasoning is something like this. Your neighbour could remove your appendix for you, even if they're not qualified or trained to do so - provided that it had been fully explained to you, and you agreed. That's called "informed consent". Now, whilst most of us believe that our cats (or other animals) CAN talk to us, and that they understand what we say, the law believes that they can do neither. Therefore, they are unable to give "informed consent". So, it has to be entrusted to someone who can make the decision on their behalf - i.e. a veterinary surgeon - much the same as a parent giving permission for a surgeon to carry out a procedure on their child. -- MatSav Giving subcutaneous fluids isn't medicating. I don't know about the UK, but it's legal to do that in the U.S. Both my daughter and I have done it. Joy |
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"Joy" wrote in message .. . "MatSav" matthew | dot | savage | at | dsl | dot | pipex | dot | com wrote in message ... wrote in message ... I think the vet said not to give fluids. For some reason, it's not easily available in the UK, for pet owners to bring home and administer themselves. I think I remember Adrian saying it was illegal. I don't understand why. Firstly, purrs, prayers, hugs and skritches for KFC and Tweed. I really do hope it's not her time for the Bridge. Secondly, I'll explain what I have heard as to why it's illegal in the UK for anyone other that a vet to medicate an animal. The reasoning is something like this. Your neighbour could remove your appendix for you, even if they're not qualified or trained to do so - provided that it had been fully explained to you, and you agreed. That's called "informed consent". Now, whilst most of us believe that our cats (or other animals) CAN talk to us, and that they understand what we say, the law believes that they can do neither. Therefore, they are unable to give "informed consent". So, it has to be entrusted to someone who can make the decision on their behalf - i.e. a veterinary surgeon - much the same as a parent giving permission for a surgeon to carry out a procedure on their child. -- MatSav Giving subcutaneous fluids isn't medicating. I don't know about the UK, but it's legal to do that in the U.S. Both my daughter and I have done it. Joy It seems to me that giving subcutaneous fluids (with a veterinarian's prescription) would not be any different than giving pills or applying topical medication with a veterinarian's prescription. MaryL |
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KFC
Christina Websell wrote:
There is not much improvement. She eats a tablespoon of roast chicken per day, that is all, so gets frailer and frailer. She will not entertain any other food. I am not happy that the vet has not addressed her diarrhoea problems since she was kidnapped, she had perfect poo until then, it's obvious to me that if her bowels keep contracting she will not want to eat. I have to clean up and scrub my carpets every day, I do not mind that she is taken short before she can get to the litter box. I expect it. She is bright, so bright and cheerful that I really do think I can keep her going for a bit longer. I'd like her to have one more summer, but the summer I wanted for her was outside, basking, and now I am too afraid to let her out -( I need to think. {{{{{{{{{{{{{Christina}}}}}}}}}}} Purrs for you and KFC Jill |
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KFC
Christina Websell wrote:
There is not much improvement. She eats a tablespoon of roast chicken per day, that is all, so gets frailer and frailer. She will not entertain any other food. I am not happy that the vet has not addressed her diarrhoea problems since she was kidnapped, she had perfect poo until then, it's obvious to me that if her bowels keep contracting she will not want to eat. I have to clean up and scrub my carpets every day, I do not mind that she is taken short before she can get to the litter box. I expect it. She is bright, so bright and cheerful that I really do think I can keep her going for a bit longer. I'd like her to have one more summer, but the summer I wanted for her was outside, basking, and now I am too afraid to let her out -( I need to think. Purrs for KFC to enjoy one last summer. When the time comes I know nothing can ease the pain. :-( {{{{{{ Christina }}}}}} -- Adrian (Owned by Snoopy, Bagheera & Shadow) Cats leave pawprints on your heart http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk |
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MatSav wrote:
wrote in message ... I think the vet said not to give fluids. For some reason, it's not easily available in the UK, for pet owners to bring home and administer themselves. I think I remember Adrian saying it was illegal. I don't understand why. Firstly, purrs, prayers, hugs and skritches for KFC and Tweed. I really do hope it's not her time for the Bridge. Secondly, I'll explain what I have heard as to why it's illegal in the UK for anyone other that a vet to medicate an animal. The reasoning is something like this. Your neighbour could remove your appendix for you, even if they're not qualified or trained to do so - provided that it had been fully explained to you, and you agreed. That's called "informed consent". Now, whilst most of us believe that our cats (or other animals) CAN talk to us, and that they understand what we say, the law believes that they can do neither. Therefore, they are unable to give "informed consent". So, it has to be entrusted to someone who can make the decision on their behalf - i.e. a veterinary surgeon - much the same as a parent giving permission for a surgeon to carry out a procedure on their child. The stupid thing is, the surgeon could save a child's life but would be breaking the law if he did the same for an animal. -- Adrian (Owned by Snoopy, Bagheera & Shadow) Cats leave pawprints on your heart http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk |
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KFC
wrote in message ... On Jun 26, 6:05 pm, "Christina Websell" wrote: There is not much improvement. She eats a tablespoon of roast chicken per day, that is all, so gets frailer and frailer. She will not entertain any other food. She is probably dehydrated and nauseous from the buildup of toxins in her bloodstream as a result of her diarrhea and concurrent renal issues. She really needs to get sub-q fluids to help her rehydrate her and flush her system. I saw in another post that you state this is illegal in England, but you are mistaken. While you may not be allowed to administer *IV* fluids to KFC, you certainly can administer sub-q fluids to her and the sooner you learn to do this the better. The owner of the http://www.felinecrf.org website, Helen, developed her website while living in England and has plenty of experience in this area and a fantastic website. She may even be able to recommend a vet that is close to you and get KFC better treatment than what your vet is doing (or not doing) now. I suggest you check out her website and email her ASAP and hopefully you'll get a response. I am not happy that the vet has not addressed her diarrhoea problems since she was kidnapped, she had perfect poo until then, it's obvious to me that if her bowels keep contracting she will not want to eat. You need to call the vet and /or bring in a stool sample and have it analyzed. What is described is not normal and you need to find the cause. Diarrhea causes dehydration and for a cat with renal issues that is very bad and may be part of the reason why she is losing weight along with what is at present untreated CRF. You are KFC's best advocate and as such it is imperative you make a list of issues and make sure the vet addresses each and every one off them. You are writing his paycheck after all! You have every right to expect that he gives you and KFC his all and offers the best options to make her feel better. From what you have described so far it sounds kind of like he is writing her off to old age, when in fact she has some treatable issues. This reminds me that, yes, the toxic buildup from CRF *can* produce symptoms that mimic senility in cats that are really a long way from that. Even Stinky was seeming a little dotty when he was feeling badly earlier this spring, and that *was* easy for me to put down to his age-- until I saw the difference that the fluids made. He is so much himself again. His *sharp* self. Christina, I know you must be overwhelmed, and the last thing you need is to be confused by all this input-- but we know how you love KFC-- and we admire her and you too! We'd like to see you have a bit more happy time together. In any event, we are purring for you. -- Theresa, Stinky and Dante drtmuirATearthlink.net Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh |
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KFC
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 00:05:23 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote: There is not much improvement. She eats a tablespoon of roast chicken per day, that is all, so gets frailer and frailer. She will not entertain any other food. I am not happy that the vet has not addressed her diarrhoea problems since she was kidnapped, she had perfect poo until then, it's obvious to me that if her bowels keep contracting she will not want to eat. I have to clean up and scrub my carpets every day, I do not mind that she is taken short before she can get to the litter box. I expect it. She is bright, so bright and cheerful that I really do think I can keep her going for a bit longer. I'd like her to have one more summer, but the summer I wanted for her was outside, basking, and now I am too afraid to let her out -( I need to think. I'm still hoping that KFC can recover her appetite, and have this summer with you. And I hope her diarrhea clears up, too. Diarrhea can cause a serious electrolyte imbalance. There are products that are made for human infants and young children who have diarrhea, to replace lost electrolytes. I can't remember the name, but you can ask about it at any pharmacy. It's not expensive, IIRC. It's worth a try, anyway. I have 'forced fluids' to cats by using a blunt tipped plastic syringe, (just take the needle off) by slowly squinting in the corner of their mouths. I would try to give 20cc (at least) 4 times a day. Purrs are on the way for KFC, and of course, for you. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ^..^ "Life without cats would be only marginally worth living." -TC, and the unmercifully, relentlessly, sweet calico kitty, Kenzie. Every day is a treasure with Kenzie; I try to treat them that way. There will only be so many, and then there will never, ever, be any more. How you behave towards cats here below determines your status in Heaven. - Robert Heinlein ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ^..^ "Life without cats would be only marginally worth living." -TC, and the unmercifully, relentlessly, sweet calico kitty, Kenzie. Every day is a treasure with Kenzie; I try to treat them that way. There will only be so many, and then there will never, ever, be any more. How you behave towards cats here below determines your status in Heaven. - Robert Heinlein |
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