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Reaction to vaccine?
Hi,
In January '03 I got my cat Bandit his booster. The next day he wasn't well, very weak, etc. He ended up spending four days in the vets and his red blood cell count was really low. The vet insisted at the time it was a coincidence and not related to the booster. I was nervous about getting his booster again so I have put it off until now. I brought him to the vet on Monday evening for his booster, reminded the vet of what happened last time but he again insisted his illness was nothing to do with the booster. So, yesterday morning (Tuesday) Bandit obviously wasn't well and went back to the vet. He gave him an antibiotic injection and said he didn't want to give him cortisone cos it would counter the booster. He has no energy and a very high temperature. I brought Bandit back to the vet today cos there was no improvement. He got a cortisone injection today. He's still pretty much the same, although he is eating a little and drinking lots of milk. I have to bring him back tomorrow morning but I'm concerned the vet still doesn't think it's related to the booster and is delaying the proper treatment. Has anyone else any experience with a cat having a reaction to a vaccination? It seems obvious to me his illness is a reaction to the booster. A quick note on Bandit - he's a small four year. He's very skinny although he eats like a horse! He's normally very active but at the moment the only time he moves is to eat or use the litter tray. Except this afternoon he saw a butterfly and managed to jump six feet and catch and eat it!!! Thanks Siobhán |
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SK,
What was the vaccine? Was it for distemper? Rhonda SK wrote: Hi, In January '03 I got my cat Bandit his booster. The next day he wasn't well, very weak, etc. He ended up spending four days in the vets and his red blood cell count was really low. The vet insisted at the time it was a coincidence and not related to the booster. I was nervous about getting his booster again so I have put it off until now. I brought him to the vet on Monday evening for his booster, reminded the vet of what happened last time but he again insisted his illness was nothing to do with the booster. So, yesterday morning (Tuesday) Bandit obviously wasn't well and went back to the vet. He gave him an antibiotic injection and said he didn't want to give him cortisone cos it would counter the booster. He has no energy and a very high temperature. I brought Bandit back to the vet today cos there was no improvement. He got a cortisone injection today. He's still pretty much the same, although he is eating a little and drinking lots of milk. I have to bring him back tomorrow morning but I'm concerned the vet still doesn't think it's related to the booster and is delaying the proper treatment. Has anyone else any experience with a cat having a reaction to a vaccination? It seems obvious to me his illness is a reaction to the booster. A quick note on Bandit - he's a small four year. He's very skinny although he eats like a horse! He's normally very active but at the moment the only time he moves is to eat or use the litter tray. Except this afternoon he saw a butterfly and managed to jump six feet and catch and eat it!!! Thanks Siobhán |
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On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:28:30 +0100, SK wrote:
Hi, In January '03 I got my cat Bandit his booster. The next day he wasn't well, very weak, etc. He ended up spending four days in the vets and his red blood cell count was really low. The vet insisted at the time it was a coincidence and not related to the booster. I was nervous about getting his booster again so I have put it off until now. I brought him to the vet on Monday evening for his booster, reminded the vet of what happened last time but he again insisted his illness was nothing to do with the booster. So, yesterday morning (Tuesday) Bandit obviously wasn't well and went back to the vet. He gave him an antibiotic injection and said he didn't want to give him cortisone cos it would counter the booster. He has no energy and a very high temperature. I brought Bandit back to the vet today cos there was no improvement. He got a cortisone injection today. He's still pretty much the same, although he is eating a little and drinking lots of milk. I have to bring him back tomorrow morning but I'm concerned the vet still doesn't think it's related to the booster and is delaying the proper treatment. Has anyone else any experience with a cat having a reaction to a vaccination? It seems obvious to me his illness is a reaction to the booster. A quick note on Bandit - he's a small four year. He's very skinny although he eats like a horse! He's normally very active but at the moment the only time he moves is to eat or use the litter tray. Except this afternoon he saw a butterfly and managed to jump six feet and catch and eat it!!! Thanks Siobhán My cat was definitely unwell after her last rabies shot last year. She is supposed to get it every three years. When she gets her other shots, she feels kind of puny for a day or so. MLB |
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On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:28:30 +0100, "SK"
wrote: Has anyone else any experience with a cat having a reaction to a vaccination? It seems obvious to me his illness is a reaction to the booster. A quick note on Bandit - he's a small four year. He's very skinny although he eats like a horse! He's normally very active but at the moment the only time he moves is to eat or use the litter tray. Except this afternoon he saw a butterfly and managed to jump six feet and catch and eat it!!! My cat had a bad reaction to his distemper shot, given between the shoulder blades. He developed open lesions, and it was pretty nasty. No generalized symptoms of illness, however. I did some lite research on this topic when that happened. The animal vaccines industry is highly unregulated. It does not appear that vaccines are systematically tested prior to being sold. Instead, their safety is determined by adverse effect reports once they are in the market. However, most adverse effects never get reported, even if the result is a dead cat. After all, no one keeps or requires systematic records relating to animal health incidents or animal mortality. The statistics thus make the vaccines look quite safe. The large number of anecdotal reports strongly suggest otherwise. Not long ago there was a heartbreaking story in this group about a lady who got two bengal kittens who became ill after vaccination. One died, and I believe the other was returned to the breeder, who could provide the special care it required. I think vets are guilty of accepting the statistics without considering this fatal flaw in the statistical method. Also, they don't want to admit that they did something to cause a pet to become ill. Charlie |
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Charlie Wilkes wrote: However, most adverse effects never get reported, even if the result is a dead cat. After all, no one keeps or requires systematic records relating to animal health incidents or animal mortality. The statistics thus make the vaccines look quite safe. The large number of anecdotal reports strongly suggest otherwise. Not long ago there was a heartbreaking story in this group about a lady who got two bengal kittens who became ill after vaccination. One died, and I believe the other was returned to the breeder, who could provide the special care it required. I think vets are guilty of accepting the statistics without considering this fatal flaw in the statistical method. Also, they don't want to admit that they did something to cause a pet to become ill. Charlie It is my opinion that you are being a bit dramatic, Charlie. I would love to see the material that you gathered this information from! I work for a low cost spay/neuter & vaccination clinic, and we give virtually 100's of vaccinations a week. And we have not experienced ONE bad reaction -- certainly not resulting in death. Of course -- some animals can simply be allergic. It takes at least 2x to determine it to be an allergic reaction. 99.9% of animals who are allergic to vaccines will only show side effects on the second dose. And if that is the case -- simple drugs are administered before (or after -- if the customer does not notify that the animal is allergic -- which has happened quite a few times!) the vaccine is given and all is well again. That is of course, vaccines that we buy from specific companies that we trust that go by specific state laws. Not everyone may have the same things that we do. Vaccines aren't all that bad ;-) |
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Last year, one of our cats became ill for a couple of days after
getting his shots (rabies, distemper and feline leuk?). This year, I'm going to have them administer the shots one at a time--spaced over a couple week period. |
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On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 03:00:52 GMT, "Katie G via CatKB.com"
wrote: Charlie Wilkes wrote: However, most adverse effects never get reported, even if the result is a dead cat. After all, no one keeps or requires systematic records relating to animal health incidents or animal mortality. The statistics thus make the vaccines look quite safe. The large number of anecdotal reports strongly suggest otherwise. Not long ago there was a heartbreaking story in this group about a lady who got two bengal kittens who became ill after vaccination. One died, and I believe the other was returned to the breeder, who could provide the special care it required. I think vets are guilty of accepting the statistics without considering this fatal flaw in the statistical method. Also, they don't want to admit that they did something to cause a pet to become ill. Charlie It is my opinion that you are being a bit dramatic, Charlie. I would love to see the material that you gathered this information from! There's a lot out there. Here are a couple of links to get you started: http://www.blakkatz.com/vaccination.html http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/petvacc.htm I work for a low cost spay/neuter & vaccination clinic, and we give virtually 100's of vaccinations a week. And we have not experienced ONE bad reaction -- certainly not resulting in death. That seems unlikely. No one denies that that adverse reactions occur at a rate of several per thousand for some feline vaccines. What seems more likely is that you don't learn of adverse reactions. Here is my cat a few days after his distemper shot: http://www.geocities.com/wilkes_charlie/lesion.htm The distemper shot is said to be among the least likely to cause an adverse reaction. He lived as a barn cat before I found him, and these were probably the first vaccinations of his life. The vet thinks he is about six. He is an indoor cat now and I am through vaccinating him. Charlie |
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Charlie Wilkes wrote:
Here is my cat a few days after his distemper shot: http://www.geocities.com/wilkes_charlie/lesion.htm The distemper shot is said to be among the least likely to cause an adverse reaction. He lived as a barn cat before I found him, and these were probably the first vaccinations of his life. The vet thinks he is about six. He is an indoor cat now and I am through vaccinating him. Charlie That's pretty gruesome. I had heard that adjuvant-free vaccines given on the legs were much safer than the neck which is where your cat got its shot. I am thinking of the rabies vaccine which is really federally mandatory. The adjuvant free is only good for a year but does not cause the rare but deadly cancer problem. I don't know if adjuvant free vaccines other than the rabies are available. It's been a while since my cat has had shots just to be on the safe side. No need to overdo it. But she will get another rabies shot. And since there are wild cats nearby, I will need some more shots for her, but I'm taking it easy with the shots. The adjuvant free vaccines are more expensive. |
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On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 04:30:44 +0000, Charlie Wilkes wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 03:00:52 GMT, "Katie G via CatKB.com" wrote: Charlie Wilkes wrote: However, most adverse effects never get reported, even if the result is a dead cat. After all, no one keeps or requires systematic records relating to animal health incidents or animal mortality. The statistics thus make the vaccines look quite safe. The large number of anecdotal reports strongly suggest otherwise. Not long ago there was a heartbreaking story in this group about a lady who got two bengal kittens who became ill after vaccination. One died, and I believe the other was returned to the breeder, who could provide the special care it required. I think vets are guilty of accepting the statistics without considering this fatal flaw in the statistical method. Also, they don't want to admit that they did something to cause a pet to become ill. Charlie It is my opinion that you are being a bit dramatic, Charlie. I would love to see the material that you gathered this information from! There's a lot out there. Here are a couple of links to get you started: http://www.blakkatz.com/vaccination.html http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/petvacc.htm I work for a low cost spay/neuter & vaccination clinic, and we give virtually 100's of vaccinations a week. And we have not experienced ONE bad reaction -- certainly not resulting in death. That seems unlikely. No one denies that that adverse reactions occur at a rate of several per thousand for some feline vaccines. What seems more likely is that you don't learn of adverse reactions. Here is my cat a few days after his distemper shot: http://www.geocities.com/wilkes_charlie/lesion.htm The distemper shot is said to be among the least likely to cause an adverse reaction. He lived as a barn cat before I found him, and these were probably the first vaccinations of his life. The vet thinks he is about six. He is an indoor cat now and I am through vaccinating him. Charlie That looks like more like a scratch infection. Almost like from barbed wire. Any possibility? MLB |
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On 27 Jul 2005 21:48:25 -0700, "
wrote: Charlie Wilkes wrote: Here is my cat a few days after his distemper shot: http://www.geocities.com/wilkes_charlie/lesion.htm The distemper shot is said to be among the least likely to cause an adverse reaction. He lived as a barn cat before I found him, and these were probably the first vaccinations of his life. The vet thinks he is about six. He is an indoor cat now and I am through vaccinating him. Charlie That's pretty gruesome. I had heard that adjuvant-free vaccines given on the legs were much safer than the neck which is where your cat got its shot. I am thinking of the rabies vaccine which is really federally mandatory. The adjuvant free is only good for a year but does not cause the rare but deadly cancer problem. I don't know if adjuvant free vaccines other than the rabies are available. It's been a while since my cat has had shots just to be on the safe side. No need to overdo it. But she will get another rabies shot. And since there are wild cats nearby, I will need some more shots for her, but I'm taking it easy with the shots. The adjuvant free vaccines are more expensive. Yes. That is because the biological component of the vaccine is more expensive. Producers maximize the use of cheap adjuvants to minimize the required dose of biological material. My cat is not going to be exposed to any infectious diseases unless I introduce another cat to the household, in which case I will have to plan accordingly. I am not willing to expose him further to the risk of virus/adjuvant mixtures backed by about as much clinical data as 19th Century patent medicines. Charlie Charlie |
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