I went onto Facebook and found

On 9/7/2014 3:06 PM, MaryL wrote:

I understand (and accept) the point you are making, but I have often
wondered about metropolitan areas such as London. I do know that there
are at least *some* people in UK large cities who keep cats indoors.
What is the general practice in areas like that? I am not asking this
to start an argument. I genuinely wonder about statements that cat
shelters would not agree on an indoor home because the "predators" in
that case refers to traffic. Does your statement apply equally to rural
and metropolitan areas in the UK?

This group has never had the indoor/outdoor debate that I can remember.
This is enough for me to not bother with this group anymore. I haven't
been very active here lately, but to read the group tonight made me very
angry.

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Cheryl

"Cheryl" wrote in message
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On 9/7/2014 3:06 PM, MaryL wrote:

I understand (and accept) the point you are making, but I have often
wondered about metropolitan areas such as London. I do know that there
are at least *some* people in UK large cities who keep cats indoors.
What is the general practice in areas like that? I am not asking this
to start an argument. I genuinely wonder about statements that cat
shelters would not agree on an indoor home because the "predators" in
that case refers to traffic. Does your statement apply equally to rural
and metropolitan areas in the UK?

This group has never had the indoor/outdoor debate that I can remember.
This is enough for me to not bother with this group anymore. I haven't
been very active here lately, but to read the group tonight made me very
angry.

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Please don't withdraw from the group. Surely we can move on to something
else.

MaryL

On 9/10/2014 10:45 PM, MaryL wrote:

Please don't withdraw from the group. Surely we can move on to
something else.

When it morphed into the declawing debate, which none of us would do
once educated, that was enough for me.


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On 9/10/2014 10:17 PM, Cheryl wrote:
On 9/7/2014 1:23 PM, Christina Websell wrote:

Once again when a cat was found dead here from a heart attack someone
came on from the USA and brought up the inside/outside debate again.
It wouldn't have made any difference, FGS.

I rarely enter into the inside/outside debate. It's safe here in the
Uk and
not in America and we must agree to disagree. I don't know of any cat
shelter here who would agree to home a cat into a indoor home.
so that's the difference between our countries and I suggest we leave
it at
that.
Please.




So why did you bring it up? You know it's going to bring up emotions
and opinions. Drop it.

Hear hear, Cheryl! Sorry I got sucked into it.

I see no reason to drag a Facebook conversation into RPCA, but she did
so I responded. I'm tired of the UK vs. US debate. I get a little
tired of the US bashing. I don't know who the person on FB was nor do I
care.

I've been trying to write sweet little anecdotes about my Persia. I'll
keep doing that, if people want me to.

Jill

Cheryl wrote:

Many years ago when I had one cat, and then got another (I didn't plan
it, and I was even supposed to have them but my landlord made an
exception for me) I was considering declaw of them both. One was over 10
years old, the other I had no idea. I was in the group of people who
had no idea what declawing really meant, but the vet I used talked me
out of it, and told me what it really was. Her stance was because of
the older cat's age and the fact that it was "major" surgery. Once I
heard that I did some research and was horrified that I'd ever consider it.

Most people think it's just like removing fingernails - painful for the
moment, but recovery shouldn't be a problem. When you tell them it
involves amputating toes, most of them change their minds.

Cheryl wrote:

This group has never had the indoor/outdoor debate that I can remember.
This is enough for me to not bother with this group anymore. I haven't
been very active here lately, but to read the group tonight made me very
angry.

WHY???? We're not allowed to express opinions here? (You can't have
been around for very long - the subject comes up fairly often!)

jmcquown wrote:

It's certainly not about "Americans want to keep their furniture nice",
which is sure what some of her comments sounded like. Speaking for
myself, I don't give a rip about a chair. Persia didn't have claws (I
didn't do it) but she still had a vertical scratching post. And she
used it.

Scratching is a natural instinct - lack of claws doesn't prevent the
reflex. (And even without front claws, Cendri doesn't leave the things
she scratches in pristine condition.)

On 9/11/2014 6:08 PM, EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:


Cheryl wrote:

Many years ago when I had one cat, and then got another (I didn't plan
it, and I was even supposed to have them but my landlord made an
exception for me) I was considering declaw of them both. One was over
10 years old, the other I had no idea. I was in the group of people
who had no idea what declawing really meant, but the vet I used talked
me out of it, and told me what it really was. Her stance was because
of the older cat's age and the fact that it was "major" surgery. Once
I heard that I did some research and was horrified that I'd ever
consider it.

Most people think it's just like removing fingernails - painful for the
moment, but recovery shouldn't be a problem. When you tell them it
involves amputating toes, most of them change their minds.

Yeah... you try walking around without the first knuckle on your toe. I
didn't do that to Persia, someone else did. But I'm tired of people
painting everyone in the US with the same brush as if we're all for it.
We aren't. And for the same reasons, I say we can't all let our cats
be outdoor cats. We have more traffic, more hazards and more natural
predators.

Jill

On 9/11/2014 6:12 PM, EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:


Cheryl wrote:

This group has never had the indoor/outdoor debate that I can
remember. This is enough for me to not bother with this group
anymore. I haven't been very active here lately, but to read the
group tonight made me very angry.

WHY???? We're not allowed to express opinions here? (You can't have
been around for very long - the subject comes up fairly often!)

It certainly has been brought up in the past. I see no reason to keep
bringing it up, though.

Jill

"jmcquown" wrote in message
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As for the indoor-outdoor debate, according to online sources the US is
9,161,923 sq. km. and the UK is 241,590 sq. km. So hey, the US is a
*huge* country. It's pretty silly to state *no one* in the US should ever
keep a cat indoors. Traffic, predators, freezing cold, excessive heat...
there are plenty of reasons to keep a cat indoors. Persia certainly
wasn't miserable.

Jill

I never said that and never have.to any of your posts. I do object to any
Brit continually having to defend our culture of outdoor cats. And the
person on facebook was sick of it.