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My cats have never been out
On 25 Jun, 13:48, dgk wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 17:46:11 -0700, bookie wrote: On 24 Jun, 08:25, " wrote: On Jun 20, 9:47 am, bookie wrote: i think if i had an apartment I would really think twice about having a cat, maybe a really REALLY old cat, one that was FIV or something who could not go out at all, and only then if I had a huge flat for said puss to run aronud in and I woudl have to invest in lots of cat gyms and climbign frame for them. i certainly would not get a kitten or young cat in a flat, not really fair on them, they would go stir crazy. This is why a lot of people find your posts to be rather judgemental on the topic. You are assuming than an indoor cat cannot be happy. Since many of us do have have indoor cats, we can assure you (not that you would believe us) that our cats are very happy. We have 5 cat trees in our house, and our cats have plenty of toys and things to do. When I got Jay Jay, he was an outdoor cat. He cried and pawed at every door and window for a week. It was pitiful. He was very unhappy. But you know what? After a week, he stopped. I have had 2 1/2 years now, and he has never attempted to get outside since that first work. He figured out pretty quickly that life inside is pretty nice. All you can end food. Endless supply of clean water. Lots of comfy perches. Lots of toys. Lots of massages. No fighting. No dangerous dogs or wildlife. He is much happier living the good life. You make it sound like indoor cats are being abused, and that simply isn't true. Most of them have no idea what is outside. My Kira would actually panic if she saw me outside in the yard through the door or window. She was used to me going out the front door, but did not find it acceptable that I should be outside. She would cry and pace until I came back in. The outside was a big bad place, in her opinion. I could leave the front door open, and she has no interest in it. At our house (with 2 dogs and 3 cats), only one dog shows any interest in the door. My dog is a formerly outside dog, and she hates to go outside. different strokes for different folks, and we have an animal welfare bill here now which could be interpreted to mean that keeping a cat indoors is breaking the law depnding on your interpretation of it That would mean that folks living in apartments couldn't have cats.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - probably depends how you woudl interpret the new act/bill. I am not sure I would want to have a cat in a flat anyway, would probably just have to console myself with a hamster, unless it were a ground floor in a house conversion, to me it just would not be fair on the cat although i am not sure one of my cats woudl notice at all as long as her bed and favourite sofa were in there too |
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On 25 Jun, 05:20, Charlie Wilkes
wrote: On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 17:52:34 -0700, bookie wrote: On 24 Jun, 01:56, Barry wrote: On Jun 23, 8:40 pm, bookie wrote: you are aware what a hedgehog is aren't you? they act like hogs in the hedges? er no, small mammals covered in spines, ever read beatrix potter's books such as The Tale of Mrs Tiggywinkle? she was hedgehog, i can't remember the story though, I much preferred reading the tale of the Flopsy Bunnies and also the Tale of Jemima Puddleduck. Philip Larkin wrote a poem about killing a hedgehog with his lawnmower. http://www.wussu.com/poems/pltm.htm they do live in hedges and undergrowth inthe british countryside and just about everywhere really, totally harmless unless maybe you try to pick one up, then you might get a spine inyour hand, Indeed. Hedgehogs are hazardous when misused... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/09...n_witchdoctor/ Charlie i think they are incredibly cute little critters and i love it when they come and munch away on left over cat food, they have to practically climb into the bowl themselves to get to it, and they have teeny moist noses and teeny little paws too and they waddle about in the most amusing way. how do hedgehogs mate? yes you're right; very carefully! |
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On Jun 25, 9:23 am, bookie wrote:
how do hedgehogs mate? yes you're right; very carefully!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - porcupines have to be careful too |
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"bookie" wrote in message ups.com... they do live in hedges and undergrowth inthe british countryside and just about everywhere really, totally harmless unless maybe you try to pick one up, then you might get a spine inyour hand, Or fleas... most hedgehogs carry a thriving colony of little visitors Don't get me wrong. I like hedgehogs (I believe they keep the slug population in check, which is good for my plants). But if I see one, I won't pick one up, I'll watch from an unfrightening distance (although I felt that the *two* I once saw circling one another outside my house deserved a little privacy. Apparently, the answer really is "very carefully.") ... attacked by a giant mutant cat-eating hedgehog ... DINS-DALE! (Sorry. I just couldn't resist!) -- Dave not-me should be djw401 and there's no need for any wossname |
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My cats have never been out
*carmen* explained :
Hi there I have two cats, 4 and 5 years old who have always lived inside in a flat. Now we have moved to a house with garden and a forest behind and we were so looking forwards to leave the cats to enjoy.. but I am scared they panic or get lost or a bigger aninmal attacks them (or them attacking a bigger animal) ... Any suggestions? thanks Carmen Get a harness for each of them and introduce them to the garden so they get orientated. After time they will find their way around. Keep them in for about 2 weeks first though. Cats have very good memories so will adapt soon. -- Count Baldoni |
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MaryL presented the following explanation :
"*carmen*" wrote in message oups.com... Hi there I have two cats, 4 and 5 years old who have always lived inside in a flat. Now we have moved to a house with garden and a forest behind and we were so looking forwards to leave the cats to enjoy.. but I am scared they panic or get lost or a bigger aninmal attacks them (or them attacking a bigger animal) ... Any suggestions? thanks Carmen I would keep them indoors. I believe cats are safer indoors, and they will be just as happy if you provide lots of toys, attention, and a climbing surface (such as a cat tree). I notice that you live in the UK, so you don't have as many predators as we have -- but there are some, and cars are a danger everywhere (just not as many as in a city). MaryL In the UK it is generally people that live in above ground apartments that keep them in. They have to be able to hunt don't they ? -- Count Baldoni |
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Patty was thinking very hard :
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:05:01 -0700, PawsForThought wrote: I find that usually people who say their cat destroyed their house are people who haven't trained their cats properly, or who haven't provided appropriate scratching surfaces for the cat. They've always had "appropriate scratching surfaces" and have never clawed up furniture. We had our last sofa for 20 years (longer than the cats) and it was never scratched or clawed. I guess I could have kept Rusty from climbing by chaining him to the floor. Patty Mine have plenty of scratch posts and scratch pads but my one cat has to go for the same piece of carpet in the hallway. I have had to cover it in tape. -- Count Baldoni |
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"Baldoni @googlemail.com" baldoniXXVnil wrote in message ... MaryL presented the following explanation : "*carmen*" wrote in message oups.com... Hi there I have two cats, 4 and 5 years old who have always lived inside in a flat. Now we have moved to a house with garden and a forest behind and we were so looking forwards to leave the cats to enjoy.. but I am scared they panic or get lost or a bigger aninmal attacks them (or them attacking a bigger animal) ... Any suggestions? thanks Carmen I would keep them indoors. I believe cats are safer indoors, and they will be just as happy if you provide lots of toys, attention, and a climbing surface (such as a cat tree). I notice that you live in the UK, so you don't have as many predators as we have -- but there are some, and cars are a danger everywhere (just not as many as in a city). MaryL In the UK it is generally people that live in above ground apartments that keep them in. They have to be able to hunt don't they ? My indoor cat hunts and kills a rubber snake and presents it to me several times a day. She does this with gusto, and presents it to me with a great deal of satisfaction. She tires herself out with this activity and then flakes out. The only downside: I have to make sure the snake is put up at night or she wakes me up howling from conquering to presenting. |
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"cybercat" wrote in message ... "Baldoni @googlemail.com" baldoniXXVnil wrote in message ... MaryL presented the following explanation : "*carmen*" wrote in message oups.com... Hi there I have two cats, 4 and 5 years old who have always lived inside in a flat. Now we have moved to a house with garden and a forest behind and we were so looking forwards to leave the cats to enjoy.. but I am scared they panic or get lost or a bigger aninmal attacks them (or them attacking a bigger animal) ... Any suggestions? thanks Carmen I would keep them indoors. I believe cats are safer indoors, and they will be just as happy if you provide lots of toys, attention, and a climbing surface (such as a cat tree). I notice that you live in the UK, so you don't have as many predators as we have -- but there are some, and cars are a danger everywhere (just not as many as in a city). MaryL In the UK it is generally people that live in above ground apartments that keep them in. They have to be able to hunt don't they ? My indoor cat hunts and kills a rubber snake and presents it to me several times a day. She does this with gusto, and presents it to me with a great deal of satisfaction. She tires herself out with this activity and then flakes out. The only downside: I have to make sure the snake is put up at night or she wakes me up howling from conquering to presenting. Ha! Holly does the same thing, except that she "presents" me with a little red mouse every evening. I will hear sort of a moaning sound, look up, and there she comes with her mouse and drops it at my feet. It's obviously a gift (or, as someone on this group once said, maybe she thinks I don't know how to hunt for my own food), so she gets lots of praise and "thank yous" each time. MaryL |
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On 27 Jun, 22:11, Baldoni wrote:
*carmen* explained : Hi there I have two cats, 4 and 5 years old who have always lived inside in a flat. Now we have moved to a house with garden and a forest behind and we were so looking forwards to leave the cats to enjoy.. but I am scared they panic or get lost or a bigger aninmal attacks them (or them attacking a bigger animal) ... Any suggestions? thanks Carmen Get a harness for each of them and introduce them to the garden so they get orientated. After time they will find their way around. Keep them in for about 2 weeks first though. Cats have very good memories so will adapt soon. -- Count Baldoni DITTO! It is the safest option if you are concerned for your cats On 23 Jun, 02:03, sheelagh wrote: In view of this, I choose to keep my cats indoors most of the time. I still feel guilty however, for taking their liberty away from them through no fault of their own. So, I choose to allow them out into a cat run during the day if they are asking to go out, & when I have the time, I also take most of them out to meadow that is behind our home, but now, I put them on a pair of reins and take them out in pairs, into the very same field where Ringo was shot a few months ago @ near point blank range. I still feel so angry about this incident, but I refuse to be bullied into keeping them as **indoor only** cats, because, I am taking away the liberty that they already had. nonetheless, I do feel that I can no longer allow them out without me being with them to protect them against the worst predator of all, which of course are Human Beings. Human beings can be far more ruthless than any other mammals that "I" have encountered in this country, to date. It is the best compromise that I can come to with my cats and my conscience too. S;o) |
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